Project Rusty Triumphs in Scotland - To gas or not to gas(less MIG) - 09/11/24

[captain_70s]

Plan is rad out, 4 bolts so it's not hard. I feel there is something irritating involved if separating the engine and gear box in situ but I can't remember what it is.

 

Plan was hoist it out in the manner suggested by big_al. Should be easy*

[SiC]

I don't know about your physical build but I'm not able to lift the 1100 engine & gearbox by myself. Even with a mate we can only just about to lift it up. Gearbox I can lift because thats mostly aluminium, but the block + head + crank is a bit much for me to pick up myself. Imagine lifting two of your jacks stacked on top each other.

[Guest Hooli]

Plan is rad out, 4 bolts so it's not hard. I feel there is something irritating involved if separating the engine and gear box in situ but I can't remember what it is.

 

Plan was hoist it out in the manner suggested by big_al. Should be easy*

 

Normally putting it back if you've not got the clutch properly aligned. I suspect you'll need to support the front of the gearbox as you pull the engine too or it'll sag & stop the 1st motion shaft coming out the clutch.

[SiC]

Won't this be easier to pull out as a gearbox and engine combo? I know on the MGB GT it apparently is.

[danthecapriman]

I don't know about your physical build but I'm not able to lift the 1100 engine & gearbox by myself. Even with a mate we can only just about to lift it up. Gearbox I can lift because thats mostly aluminium, but the block + head + crank is a bit much for me to pick up myself. Imagine lifting two of your jacks stacked on top each other.

I second this.

I put my back out not long back trying to lift my Capri’s pinto engine! I lifted it on my own. Briefly!! These old engines might look small but they weigh a lot so just be careful.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Swapping engines. Easy to talk about, not so easy to actually do.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Dolomite is a good place to start though. Not many cars about that are easier to dismantle and reassemble

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Freezing cold, wind and rain, oil everywhere, seized bolts, snapped bolts. It’s a cunt of a job without a dry workshop and a proper crane.

[Supernaut]

If only you were still in Aberdeenshire!

 

My dad has an engine crane in his shed that I'm certain he'd let me borrow.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Does no one read any thread anymore? The 'crap' 518 has sold. Calm down FFS

We are aware. We are not in need of calming down.

 

518i’s are not crap.

[captain_70s]

I don't know about your physical build but I'm not able to lift the 1100 engine & gearbox by myself. Even with a mate we can only just about to lift it up. Gearbox I can lift because thats mostly aluminium, but the block + head + crank is a bit much for me to pick up myself. Imagine lifting two of your jacks stacked on top each other.

 

I intend on enlisting help in the form of gullible friends, having lugged about the head on it's own I don't fancy my chances of being able to lift the block even on it's own. I reckon four people could lift the whole engine out without major injury. If I fancy fannying about I can remove the head/manifolds etc (an hour or two of work) to reduce weight but that does also remove the engine hoist point!

Freezing cold, wind and rain, oil everywhere, seized bolts, snapped bolts. It’s a cunt of a job without a dry workshop and a proper crane.

 

That's every automotive job without a workshop, in an ironic twist of fate for all the time I ever had access to a garage and off road parking I had absolutely no motivation to do car work. Now I have no garage or off road parking I have all the motivation, go figure...

 

I don't intend to take the engine out until spring time anyway. Once the car is here I'll start stripping ancillaries as and when I can be arsed + acquire another engine, assess that and prep it for installing in the car as required. My Dad fitted three engines to his first car, a Mk2 Capri 1600, at the side of the road so I'm sure I'll manage... I'll even be using the same Kamasa socket set...

[DeeJay]

Freezing cold, wind and rain, oil everywhere, seized bolts, snapped bolts. It’s a cunt of a job without a dry workshop and a proper crane.

They breed them hardy up there.

[Andyrew]

I'm located in dunstable, Bedfordshire.

 

Happy to collect and store a lump/lumps if needed. Could possibly pallet too.

[big_al_granvia]

hire a crane https://hire.martinplanthire.co.uk/product/floor-crane-engine-hoist have the old engine ready to come out and the new one ready to go in, btw on headless lumps you can lift on the cylinder head bolts, with a cran you can get the engine and box in again as 1 unit, when removing the box just use a trolley jack to take the strain. i know in the transit days a gearbox swap was about 2 hours, drop prop, drop starter (that was effin heavy), exhaust had to drop too, dismantle gear lever, off with the bellhousing bolts then support with jack whilst you did the crossmember. the dolly bits wont be as heavy. drench all bolts and nuts in penetrating fluid the day before if you can

 

on a job like that have all tools handy and plenty of wd40, a blow torch is handy for stubborn bolts, as is a impact gun , also having someone on brew duty is a requirement

[Yoss]

This was my first ever engine swap.

 

Crane necessary as its a FWD Triumph and the combined gearbox/diff is solid iron and weighs more than the rest of the car combined. The engine on its own can be lifted out by two people with a sturdy pole and rope but putting back in needs a crane again as it has to be lowered carefully on the the sump/gearbox.

 

RWD Triumphs are generally easier.

 

We were doing this because my friend did this to his car.

 

And I'll add this because when did you last see a Chevette saloon.

 

The point is we had almost no mechanical knowledge at this time, but the engine removal section in the workshop manual only had about six steps so we thought 'how hard can it be?'. In a council car park too. Bit easier than roadside but as already said the Dolly is just about the easiest car to do this on.

[Eddie Honda]

hire a crane

You've lost the audience right there!

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Yes, i so want to see Yodel lob that little over the back garden gate.

Don't tempt fate. If Yodel find a way to lob it, they will.

[Supernaut]

Don't tempt fate. If Yodel find a way to lob it, they will.

[DodgyBastard]

I did an engine swap in a public carpark in the centre of Dunfermline.

 

WP_20130807_004 by srblythe, on Flickr

 

WP_20130807_001 by srblythe, on Flickr

 

WP_20130807_005 by srblythe, on Flickr

 

 

It was great fun!

[Datsuncog]

Don't tempt fate. If Yodel find a way to lob it, they will.

I know at least one shiter on here who found their engine 'delivery' consisted of it being dumped on its side on a grass verge not very close to the house, with the pallet smashed to bits. First he knew was receiving one of those "your parcel has been delivered" email. Can't remember if it was Yodel, but they were clearly a bunch of arses.

 

*slow handclap*

[Yoss]

Southampton reg on the silver Polo too. Makes you wonder how it came to be being ripped apart in a car park in Dunfermline.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

.....*slow handclap*

....with one hand.

[M'coli]

This was my first ever engine swap.

IMG_20181211_170153.jpg

 

Crane necessary as its a FWD Triumph and the combined gearbox/diff is solid iron and weighs more than the rest of the car combined. The engine on its own can be lifted out by two people with a sturdy pole and rope but putting back in needs a crane again as it has to be lowered carefully on the the sump/gearbox.

 

RWD Triumphs are generally easier.

 

We were doing this because my friend did this to his car.

IMG_20181211_170506.jpg

 

And I'll add this because when did you last see a Chevette saloon.

Within the last 6 months, oddly enough...

[dome]

I swapped engines in my Saab 9000 Aero in the street on the southside of Glasgow. The only storage I had was the Peugeot 106 I kept the donor engine and box in.

 

I have an engine crane here in Fife if you need it and can lend a pair of hands...

 

I think you're doing it the right way not firing straight into it. Wait until you have the mojo and a new engine.

 

No harm in getting some plusgas onto the bolts fairly soon though. And if you do recover some mojo start some disassembly in preparation

[purplebargeken]

Just heard back from my mate. Sadly the guy scrapped them as there was no interest. Irony, hateful thing.

[somewhatfoolish]

[captain_70s]

Just heard back from my mate. Sadly the guy scrapped them as there was no interest. Irony, hateful thing.

Bad times, especially as they seem to easily fetch triple figures on eBay on a regular basis!

 

JuridicalGrunt's unit is the best bet thus far but I need a way to transport it from Bedford. A quick look suggests that driving down will be a 14+ hour ordeal that would also cost over £100 in petrol and hinges on being able to fit the engine through the rear door of the Acclaim...

 

On the flipside he is in no rush to get rid and I'm in no rush to receive it. Going to get the car tomorrow, it's going to be cold as fuck.

[DeeJay]

Where about are you Captain?

[captain_70s]

Glasgow.

 

Which is the furthest south I've lived in a very long time but it also still quite far north...

[somewhatfoolish]

No joy with the Clydebank vendor?