Six Cylinders Motoring Notes - a Workshop Day Today

[beko1987]

For now just a sucky wet vac to clean up the inevitable will do, but it needs the float insert for that. 

I'll make your neighbors hate you and fetch my Aquavac 620 down from the loft, or bring the cordless sealey

That random bent pipe is for your Henry 👍 As Mr T says, that's dry suction only in that setup, you got a bag for life stuffed buried somewhere with the rest of it? 

[Talbot]

1 hour ago, beko1987 said:

Mr T

😁

I hadn't considered being referred to as Mr. T before now.

[Six-cylinder]

1 hour ago, Talbot said:

owning that exact vax, I can offer information on that:

You're missing the water/detergent delivery pipe (it looks like screenwash hose) which comes from the black port above the vacuum hose, and that isn't the washing head, it's the dry vacuum head.

It does look like you have the clean-water tank installed rather than the dry-vacuuming filter, which is a good step, but there are definitely still bits missing.  I'll get a photo of the correct setup when I get in later.

... I say "correct".. it's actually a lash-up using a 6131 body but with a 402 washing head on it.  It works.  Turns out the "correct" 6131 washing heads (and the 402 head) are NLA and no-one makes them any more.

You can still get, and for car upholstry is probably ideal, a narrower washing head (about 3" wide) which does a brilliant job.  But you still need the clean water pipework from the VAX to the head.

 

1 hour ago, beko1987 said:

For now just a sucky wet vac to clean up the inevitable will do, but it needs the float insert for that. 

I'll make your neighbors hate you and fetch my Aquavac 620 down from the loft, or bring the cordless sealey

That random bent pipe is for your Henry 👍 As Mr T says, that's dry suction only in that setup, you got a bag for life stuffed buried somewhere with the rest of it? 

Yes it is a 6131T. I remember buying it as a fully working wet Vac all parts included from a school in Quainton. I sent @Mrs6C to mine out our cupboard under the stairs and look what she found!

[Talbot]

Thaaaat's better.

Keep close eye on that wet wash head.  They are unobtanium now.

[beko1987]

Sweet! 

I mean we could go all the way but if you could keep the crevice tool, maybe the flat small grey tool and the wet tank out we shouldn't need anything else. 

If it's nice enough you could be set up to do the mats and put the stripes in them, but I'd say it's too late in the year to want to dampen the interior unless we get really lucky. 

I just want something to quickly clean out any large leaks! Will only use the open hose on the bodywork but if it goes in it'll go in 😂

Then you can do the hearth rug on Sunday. Somewhere I've got the rare optional. spinney turbo washing attachment for those. One day I'll be done with it and you can have it (if it survives) 

[Six-cylinder]

16 minutes ago, Talbot said:

Thaaaat's better.

Keep close eye on that wet wash head.  They are unobtanium now.

Yes I will hide it next time you visit!

[Talbot]

Rather than a vicious thread fork into washing vacuum cleaners... @beko1987 there was a couple of posts I put in your vacuuming thread about this very issue...

[hairnet]

3 hours ago, Talbot said:

😁

I hadn't considered being referred to as Mr. T before now.

comment i was gonna make but no

[Six-cylinder]

8 hours ago, beko1987 said:

I assume it's about 47% 25% waterproof though? 

Alerted to wet carpets @Mrs6C went to investigate and found the openable air vent on top of the scuttle was designed to accept some water but had a rubber collection trough with a metal drain tube. It turns out this was totally blocked with long term debris so water spills out into the cabin. The carpets have been removed and are drying out, but smell. Mrs6C poured water into the vent and now you can hear it landing under the car.

[hairnet]

beast

[hairnet]

404 not in the field shock

[beko1987]

If the carpets are easy to dry indoors and refit I can bring my drill brushes whilst we have means to extract it out then you refit when dry. 

Would they take hanging on the wall and a mild pressure washing do you think? They don't look 1920s to me... 

[Six-cylinder]

5 minutes ago, beko1987 said:

If the carpets are easy to dry indoors and refit I can bring my drill brushes whilst we have means to extract it out then you refit when dry. 

Would they take hanging on the wall and a mild pressure washing do you think? They don't look 1920s to me... 

Carpets are not ancient but still not new, I think they will need to be treated gently.

[Six-cylinder]

25 minutes ago, hairnet said:

404 not in the field shock

Error 404  runs and drives but the servo is not working so the brakes are very heavy. Do I buy the expensive repair kit or the very very expensive new servo is the question I am pondering.

[beko1987]

3 minutes ago, Six-cylinder said:

Carpets are not ancient but still not new, I think they will need to be treated gently.

Fair enough. I did the allegro ones for andyrew with the same vax machine (6150sx but their the same) and a hand brush and G101. I could bring the Vorwerk VK150 over and Kobosan and we damp particle encapsulate/freshen the fuck out of them inside? They don't get wet then

[Mrs6C]

28 minutes ago, Six-cylinder said:

had a rubber collection trough with a metal drain tube

It's a metal (copper? aluminium?) collection tank with an open trough at the lower forward side, with a metal drain pipe about 1 1/2" long connected to its base. A flexible rubber pipe fits over this and leads down to join onto a fixed copper drain tube in the footwell. That leads away to below the car. The trough was full of wet black debris and  the lower copper pipe was blocked with the same. Water was backed up and seeping out from the top joint of the rubber hose and running into the footwell, which gave the game away...

The inside of the trough is just about accessible to clean out from underneath, if you are flexible and have small hands! I imagine the smallest stableboy was tasked with cleaning it out, back in the day...

The hole in the trough for the metal drain pipe connection seems about half the diameter of the drain pipe. I imagine this blocks easily too.  It wouldn't hurt to use a vacuum cleaner with a narrow and very bendy pipe to get any more debris out of the trough, when it has dried out inside.

[beko1987]

11 minutes ago, Mrs6C said:

It's a metal (copper? aluminium?) collection tank with an open trough at the lower forward side, with a metal drain pipe about 1 1/2" long connected to its base. A flexible rubber pipe fits over this and leads down to join onto a fixed copper drain tube in the footwell. That leads away to below the car. The trough was full of wet black debris and  the lower copper pipe was blocked with the same. Water was backed up and seeping out from the top joint of the rubber hose and running into the footwell, which gave the game away...

The inside of the trough is just about accessible to clean out from underneath, if you are flexible and have small hands! I imagine the smallest stableboy was tasked with cleaning it out, back in the day...

The hole in the trough for the metal drain pipe connection seems about half the diameter of the drain pipe. I imagine this blocks easily too.  It wouldn't hurt to use a vacuum cleaner with a narrow and very bendy pipe to get any more debris out of the trough, when it has dried out inside.

I've got a spare miele micro hose attachment, I'll try to remember to bring it.

It's a spare, there's another inside my full Vario boxed car cleaning kit, in the turbo head and extra long crevice tool. Never used it... 🤣

Or the blower we use at the FoD... That'll both clear it and test the strength of the rubber 😂

[richardmorris]

14 minutes ago, beko1987 said:

I've got a spare miele micro hose attachment, I'll try to remember to bring it.

It's a spare, there's another inside my full Vario boxed car cleaning kit, in the turbo head and extra long crevice tool. Never used it... 🤣

Or the blower we use at the FoD... That'll both clear it and test the strength of the rubber 😂

Is there a YouTube opportunity in vaxing a 90year old motorcar?

[Six-cylinder]

14 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Is there a YouTube opportunity in vaxing a 90year old motorcar?

None at all, the house maid has to do it with a brush on this age of vehicle!

[richardmorris]

Just now, Six-cylinder said:

None at all, the house maid has to do it with a brush on this age of vehicle!

@Mrs6C?

[beko1987]

45 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Is there a YouTube opportunity in vaxing a 90year old motorcar?

Very possibly! It's the filming and decent editing of whatever footage I make that I'd not be great at. If any car you tubers want to come and do a video I can try not to swear? 

[Noel Tidybeard]

14 hours ago, beko1987 said:

We need to wash the rolls one day... It also wants paste wax, none of this modern ceramic bollocks 👌

I assume it's about 47% waterproof though? 

a rolls is for a spiv or tv "celebrity"

an gentleman has a Royce!

[AnthonyG]

Hey @Six-cylinder if the TF doesn’t have an owner’s manual I have a MGF one I can stick in the post for you? 

Obviously there will be differences but it will be better than nothing if you don’t have one. 

[High Jetter]

4 hours ago, Six-cylinder said:

Error 404  runs and drives but the servo is not working so the brakes are very heavy. Do I buy the expensive repair kit or the very very expensive new servo is the question I am pondering.

In the 80's, seal kits for wheel & master cylinders were a good seller. Seemed easy to me on Imp, A60 & ADO16's

[Mr Pastry]

11 hours ago, Six-cylinder said:

Error 404  runs and drives but the servo is not working so the brakes are very heavy. Do I buy the expensive repair kit or the very very expensive new servo is the question I am pondering.

Check the non-return valve on the vacuum inlet first.

[SiC]

If you don't have one already, a Trombone cleaner is very effective in clearing drain pipework in cars. Basically curtain wire with a bristle on the end. 

First item I came to on eBay. No doubt many others - including from Amazon.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325747000061

 

[Six-cylinder]

58 minutes ago, Mr Pastry said:

Check the non-return valve on the vacuum inlet first.

When you apply the brakes there is a sound of hissing air but you can't detect an external leak.

Where is the non return valve located please?

[SiC]

1 minute ago, SiC said:

If you don't have one already, a Trombone cleaner is very effective in clearing drain pipework in cars. Basically curtain wire with a bristle on the end. 

First item I came to on eBay. No doubt many others - including from Amazon.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325747000061

 

I originally found out about the use of these when I had my MX5 MK1 yonks ago and these were recommended to clean the drains on that. 

[SiC]

3 minutes ago, Six-cylinder said:

When you apply the brakes there is a sound of hissing air but you can't detect an external leak.

Where is the non return valve located please?

I don't know anything about the Rolls Royce system but if that clear jar is a fluid reservoir, isn't it now empty and below the intake?

Its not unknown for old brake servos to split their internal diaphragm. This leads to the fluid being sucked into the intake and consuming it all into the engine. 

That's exactly what was the issue on the P4. I chucked a new Lockheed servo on as no point messing about on single circuit brakes imo. 

[Six-cylinder]

5 minutes ago, SiC said:

I don't know anything about the Rolls Royce system but if that clear jar is a fluid reservoir, isn't it now empty and below the intake?

Its not unknown for old brake servos to split their internal diaphragm. This leads to the fluid being sucked into the intake and consuming it all into the engine. 

That's exactly what was the issue on the P4. I chucked a new Lockheed servo on as no point messing about on single circuit brakes imo. 

Mr Pastry reply was about my Peugeot 404, know as Error 404 because of the amount of work needed and Mrs6C thinks I should have never bought it.

Yes in my photo the fluid was low and has now been toped up. It never took in air and has always had a hard pedal. In my experence when a servo fails it makes the car smoke that I am not getting.