Six Cylinders Motoring Notes - A Grand Day Out Gromit.

[Six-cylinder]

21 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

Hmm.  Couldn't an LHD cable be used as a pattern at least to have one made?  Length will obviously be wrong, but the fittings at each end should be correct though shouldn't they?

Or am I applying far too much logic to a Lancia design?

The interior is fantastic.  Lancia were always mad in that department, but the Trevi dash is bonkers even by their standards!

Maybe! But it could be there was a different pedal and mechanism on the carb for LHD.

[mitsisigma01]

What's all the sofa's and yamaha cassette deck about???? 

[dc2100k]

20 minutes ago, mitsisigma01 said:

What's all the sofa's and yamaha cassette deck about???? 

Mario Bellini is a famous architect who designed a load of funky stuff for Olivetti, Cassina and others in the 1970s/80s, including the Lancia Beta Trevi interior.

Most of his work is now very collectible and worth a lot of £££.

 

[Richard_FM]

9 minutes ago, dc2100k said:

Mario Bellini is a famous architect who designed a load of funky stuff for Olivetti, Cassina and others in the 1970s/80s, including the Lancia Beta Trevi interior.

Most of his work is now very collectible and worth a lot of £££.

 

I did wonder who was responsible for the black Swiss cheese look.

[lanciamatt]

Isn't a trevi just a beta underneath, surely beta cable will fit, and I can't imagine carb overly difficult to find,. 

[PhilA]

Never seen a Trevi before. Looks like the offspring of a 1983 Mercedes 300SL (arse) and a GAZ Volga 31029 (front).

It's all serious and business up front and all sporty at the back.

 

It is an automotive mullet.

Phil

[Six-cylinder]

46 minutes ago, lanciamatt said:

Isn't a trevi just a beta underneath, surely beta cable will fit, and I can't imagine carb overly difficult to find,. 

There seem to be an infinite variety of cables when I look at pictures and nothing to be clear what fits what.

 

[J-T]

Was the Trevi just a Beta saloon or was it bigger than a Beta (if it was they could have called it an Alpha and caused all kinds of confusion)?

[Richard_FM]

Lancia deliberately skipped Alpha for the obvious reason that they didn't want to cause any confusion with Alfa Romeo.

[Mr Pastry]

In another life, I worked on Lancias full time.  It was not a whole lot of fun.   I no  longer have all the parts info, but if it helps Quinton Hazell listed one throttle cable, QTC 4191 for all RHD Betas and Trevis, all engine sizes, except the injected ones.

IIRC the Lancia supplied cables were two slightly different lengths, but would more or less interchange.  I don't think there is a direct Fiat equivalent -  124, 132 etc. would have a different pedal end fitting.   I'm not sure what the LHD cable was like, but the length may be critical as there isn't a lot of space.

TBH the Trevi was fairly underwhelming when new, apart from the dashboard.  A Beta saloon with a hatchback would surely have been a more useful product.

 

[Zelandeth]

If the 124 is the same as the Lada it wouldn't have had a cable, but some Heath Robinson collection of rods, pivots and linkages which change the direction.of travel something like eight times between the pedal and the carb.  The Lada arrangement was madness and quickly explained why there was about 3" of dead travel in the pedal...

Ironically that pedal was the single biggest headache I had to work around during the injection conversion.

[Mr Pastry]

29 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

If the 124 is the same as the Lada it wouldn't have had a cable, but some Heath Robinson collection of rods, pivots and linkages which change the direction.of travel something like eight times between the pedal and the carb.  The Lada arrangement was madness and quickly explained why there was about 3" of dead travel in the pedal...

Ironically that pedal was the single biggest headache I had to work around during the injection conversion.

I was thinking 124 Sport which certainly had a cable and is still available.  Cant remember what the set up was on my 124 Estate, but it had less in common with the Lada than might be expected.

[Richard_FM]

1 hour ago, Mr Pastry said:

I was thinking 124 Sport which certainly had a cable and is still available.  Cant remember what the set up was on my 124 Estate, but it had less in common with the Lada than might be expected.

The Ladas had different engines so I guess the cables needed to be different.

[Six-cylinder]

2 hours ago, Mr Pastry said:

In another life, I worked on Lancias full time.  It was not a whole lot of fun.   I no  longer have all the parts info, but if it helps Quinton Hazell listed one throttle cable, QTC 4191 for all RHD Betas and Trevis, all engine sizes, except the injected ones.

IIRC the Lancia supplied cables were two slightly different lengths, but would more or less interchange.  I don't think there is a direct Fiat equivalent -  124, 132 etc. would have a different pedal end fitting.   I'm not sure what the LHD cable was like, but the length may be critical as there isn't a lot of space.

TBH the Trevi was fairly underwhelming when new, apart from the dashboard.  A Beta saloon with a hatchback would surely have been a more useful product.

 

I have looked for QH QTC4194 for sale, but can't find one.

I now know what the carb end looks like from the Beta Haynes manual.

[hairnet]

https://www.autodielyonline24.sk/triscan-7219645.html

https://www.oscaro.com/cable-daccelerateur-triscan-as-8140-15301-858966-618-p#

[Mr Pastry]

1 hour ago, Six-cylinder said:

I have looked for QH QTC4194 for sale, but can't find one.

I now know what the carb end looks like from the Beta Haynes manual.

I think the socket on the cable end is (or can be) a standard Weber part.  The other end is a bush which fits over a horizontal pin at the top of the pedal with a retaining circlip.

I'm sure QTC 4191 is obsolete, but that's the reference.   

[Mrs6C]

The Lancia OEM part no. for the Trevi/Beta RHD throttle cable is 82325461 and the "Lancia Wellness Center" in South Africa has three of them, albeit they may be s/h:
http://us.lancia.co.za/article/Beta/Beta+Coupe+2.0+FL/In_and_Out/2325461-G.html

Might be worth an email in Felix's direction if D&G have no luck with the generic cable approach.

Here is something even more bonkers than our Trevi:

 

[somewhatfoolish]

Bonkers. I'm sure I've read about someone doing the same thing with an ALFA. 

[Six-cylinder]

 

Six years ago!

I still have not got over the fact @Mr Livered of this Forum gave away a whole working Mercedes Benz and I was first to put up my hand for it.

Last year it had two issues one was the heater did as it pleased which mostly meant it roasted you and the central locking would not work from the driver’s door that was a pain. After some DIY failed attempts at repair even changing the Duo valve, I sent to a Mercedes Specialist in Princess Risborough who I had used for many years on W124s. It dragged on and the car run out of MOT but reduces work load due to covid got it to the top of the pile. Heater is fixed, it turned out to be the replacement valve I had fitted was duff and after a few jobs including a bit of welding the MOT is done. We are just waiting for a replacement central locking vac pump to arrive to finish the job.

[beko1987]

Their exit is a horrible place to try and get out of at 8am, locals flying down the road at 60 right on top of you etc

He's has a good bit of dough out of my colleague and his awful modern! 

[Zelandeth]

That's one of yours that I didn't know existed.  Nice colour for it.  Please tell me the interior is equally blue...

[Six-cylinder]

Sorry grey!

But it does have 2 pins in the driver's door trim and when I asked Mr Livered what they are there for he said he did not know as they were the when he got the car!

[richardmorris]

9 minutes ago, Six-cylinder said:

Sorry grey!

But it does have 2 pins in the driver's door trim and when I asked Mr Livered what they are there for he said he did not know as they were the when he got the car!

I test drove an XM of Roger Bradford’s once that also had a couple of pins in the same place. Odd!

[Noel Tidybeard]

10 minutes ago, Six-cylinder said:

Sorry grey!

But it does have 2 pins in the driver's door trim and when I asked Mr Livered what they are there for he said he did not know as they were the when he got the car!

 

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windscreen washer adjustment pins- blue= front, black= rear ?

[Zelandeth]

In the case of my Saab there was one there to keep it quickly to hand to clear the repeatedly clogging windscreen washer jets.

[beko1987]

Or you'll pull them out and the headlining will fall off, because old merc... 

[catsinthewelder]

After my daughter was somewhat heavy handed with the Jingling atv last year I've had the engine and gearbox at my house.

A chap I know managed to weld the alloy cases back together so as the weather is rubbish today I took over the dining table.

First job was trying to clean it up, I started off with a pot of soapy water and an old toothbrush but soon gave up and used the shower (it's lucky that my girlfriend lives elsewhere).

 

Shiny ?

[Six-cylinder]

Fantastic!

The FoD is always open whenever you want a weekend in field.

[catsinthewelder]

Thanks Chris, that would be ace.  Just got to wait for the weather to get nice again ?

 

Next job was making a gasket, as it's a Chinese vehicle I saw no harm in using Aldi packaging cardboard.

Rub the outline on.

 

Cut it out

 

Bolt it on followed by the gearshift mechanism.

 

Best put the other side back together too.

 

CVT bit back on

Check the cover still fits, need to find a bigger bit of card to make a gasket for this.

[Six-cylinder]

9 minutes ago, catsinthewelder said:

Thanks Chris, that would be ace.  Just got to wait for the weather to get nice again ?

 

Next job was making a gasket, as it's a Chinese vehicle I saw no harm in using Aldi packaging cardboard.

Rub the outline on.

Cut it out

Check the cover still fits, need to find a bigger bit of card to make a gasket for this.

 

My experience is cardboard gaskets never last very long retaining oil. 

I have a roll of gasket paper, pm me your address and I will send you some. Tell me the size you need to do the cover as well as I have plenty to do that as well.