Peugeot 309 rescue thread. Moving on.

[DoctorRetro]

9 hours ago, SmokinWaffle said:

I know people very close to there if it you want them?

Didn't know you'd got this - I'm glad you have - looking forward to see what you do with it!

 

1 hour ago, Vantman said:

I live in Ashford if you need these @DoctorRetro.

Thanks for the offers, but I believe @rob88h is picking these up for me, unless he's unable, in which case I'll let you know.

With the current OMGFUEWLCRISIS, I'm trying to avoid frivolous journeys, it makes sense if someone is making that trip anyway. 

I'll always be available to help out in similar situations, if I'm travelling anywhere

[Andyrew]

Top work on saving this one doc,  keep your mojo up and just do what makes you happy to it. 

 

[Joey spud]

Pleased this has been saved.

As i said on another thread i worked for a Peugeot/Talbot dealer in the late 80's and although these looked a bit odd (having to share the 205's doors and floor pan probably didn't help) they were a decent car and in my opinion much better all round than an 80's Escort.

 

[DoctorRetro]

Today we had a look around. Tried to start it, but it seems to only fire when littlun tries, and then runs really roughly. Gave up once we noticed it spitting fuel everywhere out of one of the hoses! So that's on the shopping list!

 

[DoctorRetro]

[DoctorRetro]

[DoctorRetro]

Eww...

How's this for an old tyre @sierraman?

 

[Rusty_Rocket]

Looks like it would live again with some patching to the sills.  The only thing I'd say is, because values are still very low, don't spend too much on it...  Having said that, parts are really cheap.  I bought a new brake master, wheel cylinders, hoses, rear shoes and front pads for under £70 by putting part numbers into ebay! 

[DoctorRetro]

I'm tempted to get a cheap gasless mig and have a go myself. Worst case it's good practice.

[N Dentressangle]

11 minutes ago, DoctorRetro said:

I'm tempted to get a cheap gasless mig and have a go myself. Worst case it's good practice.

That's a good plan, but don't go for a gasless one, especially not as a beginner. They're harder to get a decent result with, tend to make a lot more mess and definitely weld a lot hotter so on thin bodywork you'll burn a lot more holes.

The little bottles of CO2 aren't actually that bad, pricewise.

Get it running first then stick it in for an MoT and see what it needs.

[DoctorRetro]

https://youtu.be/OORCzzaM4wo

 

https://youtu.be/cFWoxmC77VM

 

[DoctorRetro]

3 minutes ago, N Dentressangle said:

That's a good plan, but don't go for a gasless one, especially not as a beginner. They're harder to get a decent result with, tend to make a lot more mess and definitely weld a lot hotter so on thin bodywork you'll burn a lot more holes.

The little bottles of CO2 aren't actually that bad, pricewise.

Get it running first then stick it in for an MoT and see what it needs.

No space. I live in a tiny flat, so whatever I get needs to be compact.

If I can find a one with gas for about 60 quid that would fit in a suitcase space, including the gas, I'd be interested, but know that's not possible.

[N Dentressangle]

24 minutes ago, DoctorRetro said:

No space. I live in a tiny flat, so whatever I get needs to be compact.

If I can find a one with gas for about 60 quid that would fit in a suitcase space, including the gas, I'd be interested, but know that's not possible.

It is possible. The gasless / gas ones are the same machine, and the gas bottle is about the size of a Thermos flask. They sometimes come up on FB Marketplace

[Rusty_Rocket]

The newer style inverter type MiGs are very small and portable.  My pal rocked up with one recently; it was about the size of a cereal box laid on it's side.

He bought it from ebay, it wasn't expensive.  Polish made I think, and welds very nicely indeed.

Certainly, it makes my full-size Oxford unit with its traditional transformer feel like a dinosaur!

[Talbot]

4 minutes ago, Rusty_Rocket said:

it makes my full-size Oxford unit with its traditional transformer feel like a dinosaur!

But, your traditional transformer unit will continue welding for long after the modern unit's electronics have gone "phut".

 

It's very pleasing to see this saved, but putting my "reality" hat on for a moment.. that rot in the jacking point is going to require a fairly advanced repair to be fabricated and welded in.  The rust *will* extend further than can be seen in that picture, and it's not going to be easy.  I'd want at least a full day to do that, and that's with a complete suite of grinders, die-grinders, nibbler, sheet steel, folder, joggler, etc.etc. and a decent MIG welder on Argoshield, not running on a long extension lead.  I'd also want the car up a bit higher (big axle-stands) to be able to see what is going on and actually get to the repair area.

You might find the best course of action to be to clean it thoroughly, do the bare minimum mechanical work needed to get it reliably running and stopping, shove some cheap/free better tyres on it (19 years old or otherwise) and offer it for sale just needing the bodywork sorting.

[tooSavvy]

57 minutes ago, DoctorRetro said:

No space. I live in a tiny flat, so whatever I get needs to be compact.

Space...... Aye!!

[Scruffy Bodger]

If space is that much of an issue just keep the welder in the boot of the car. That sill repair is going to be very similar to the one I had to do on my mates ZX, you'll end up doing the inner and outer, an evenings work if you know what you're doing.  Page 2 of that thread shows what'll need doing, iirc I used some 5mm flat bar as the vertical to replace the jacking point and just filled in the gaps? 

That ZX is still in regular use now, my sister bought it off my mate and she loves it. That bit of rot was enough to see it fragged...

 

[sierraman]

3 hours ago, DoctorRetro said:

Eww...

How's this for an old tyre @sierraman?

 

Most people would sling those tyres without a moments hesitation, I’ve a feeling though there would be some people that would go ‘Nothing wrong with the tread on those!’. The sort of people that turn pants inside out to get another day out of them. 

Vactan will probably sort the surface rust underneath but I’d sort the pissing fuel out bother then submit it for a test. Then make a decision. That sill looks like it’s going to want some serious tickling, I think your next step after the test if it’s not too serious is picking up a cheap MIG, or if you don’t want to completely fuck the other residents off, find a man who can locally. 

[DoctorRetro]

Boot floor. Only one hole, for now.

 

As for keeping things in the boot, that's already my 'tool shed', which is why I like to always have a spare car, to keep everything in.

[Ghosty]

21 minutes ago, DoctorRetro said:

One of my old R8s came from that dealership! 

[SmokinWaffle]

4 hours ago, DoctorRetro said:

No space. I live in a tiny flat, so whatever I get needs to be compact.

If I can find a one with gas for about 60 quid that would fit in a suitcase space, including the gas, I'd be interested, but know that's not possible.

That is possible!
 

I got this for £50, came with 5KG spool of wire, some tips and a bottle of gas (a massive one, yes, and 1/3 full, yes, but you can easily get the disposable ones that are small and compact from retailers cheap)

Keep an eye on eBay and Facebook Marketplace! I'd second not going with gasless.

[DoctorRetro]

If gasless MIGs are so bad, why do they exist? 

[reb]

4 minutes ago, DoctorRetro said:

If gasless MIGs are so bad, why do they exist? 

They were originally designed for farmers welding up gates and such if I remember rightly. Thicker steel and less need for a pretty weld.

[Arthur Foxhake]

Gasless burns hotter in my experiences too.

Much more chance to distort a panel, more splatter to clean up, more slag to knock off. 

No good for bodywork, not so bad on thicker stuff you can't see.

[Fabergé Greggs]

Les bought my Agila off me yesterday, he rang me up to say that he had just dropped a car off in Southend and could he pick up the Agila on the way back. I've only just clicked that he would have been dropping this off with you.. 

[GingerNuttz]

You can weld car bodywork with gasless if you're careful and go slow, I've done it tons of times when I run out of gas but as others have said it's more suited to 2mm+ steel. 

It's absolute shite to weld with when you just start but you can get a nice weld from it when you get more experience.

[DoctorRetro]

In more positive news, all electrics work, apart from the horn.

Fuel pipe ordered. 

 

[theshadow]

gasless is fine use one for good few years,clark jobbie,welded  plenty shite motors,floorpans etc,will not use a gas one,,each to there own...

[dave j]

It's great to see this one saved! Will clean up nice that, hope the welding isn't too bad. 

[cobblers]

1 hour ago, DoctorRetro said:

If gasless MIGs are so bad, why do they exist? 

They're made because people buy them - Just because something is unfit for purpose doesn't stop it being made and sold in the thousands! See also: sub £150 full suspension mountain bikes, cheap amazon "backpacking" tents, etc etc