The grumpy thread

[Cavcraft]

F1. It's neither a 'sport' nor remotely interesting. As much as people complain about others banging on about football, I don't want to sit in a room with three others getting excited by one driver almost overtaking another.

[Mr Lobster]

Fair enough Cavette. But I think F1 is (most of the time) great and find football utterly shit. But it'd be a dull place if we all liked the same stuff wouldn't it

 

The difference (to me at least) is that if you don't have any passing interest in football its almost considered to be strange.

[dollywobbler]

I've watched most of the F1 season on the highlights programme on the web. 10 minutes of action! Sadly, that's about all there is in F1 these days.

 

Far, far better is to watch ITV4 when the BTCC is on. Not only do you get some panel-bashing action in that, but the other races tend to be excellent too. The Ginetta Juniors are absolutely incredible. One of the drivers is only 14. Great watching a 16 year old schoolgirl whipping a similarly aged boy's arse - and all in a totally non-dodgy manner!

[trigger]

I've watched most of the F1 season on the highlights programme on the web. 10 minutes of action! Sadly, that's about all there is in F1 these days.

 

Far, far better is to watch ITV4 when the BTCC is on. Not only do you get some panel-bashing action in that, but the other races tend to be excellent too. The Ginetta Juniors are absolutely incredible. One of the drivers is only 14. Great watching a 16 year old schoolgirl whipping a similarly aged boy's arse - and all in a totally non-dodgy manner!

 

 

Just noticed that this was the 10000th reply on this thread! we are a right bunch of moaning barstards aren't we!

[Spiny Norman]

I've watched F1 since the days of Jackie Stewart and Emerson Fittipaldi and I still watch it. It might not be to everyone's tastes but my Sunday afternoons would be poorer without them, although I do agree that the BTCC coverage on ITV4 offers far more bang for your buck, as does the MotoGP on Beeb2.

[retrogeezer]

Yeh, even though I know it's going to be a procession and daft steward decisions alter results I am still a big fan of F1..

 

But the sunday afternoon BTCC coverage on ITV4 is fanbloodytastic..

[Station]

While I would never degrade or knock the point of unions, I can honeslty say that from my experiences with them as a shop steward a good few years ago were nothing but negative. they apear to be exactly what they say the hate and fight against, money grabbing power mongers, give us what we want or else.......

 

The head of Unison is on £120,000!! Never seen the point of unions in my line of work, but it just seems like a load of ex-BNP bullyboys in it for themselves. A bloke I worked with was a 'messenger' for Unison, and the amount of rubbish he used to bring back was astounding. Like H&S, a complete waste of time. If you're scared of work, stay at home.

[barrett]

Just noticed that this was the 10000th reply on this thread! we are a right bunch of moaning barstards aren't we!

 

 

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[Guest]

I was made about £1500 a year worse off because of the union's demand to bring in Single Status Job Evaluation, even though I'm not in the union (if I was it would have made no difference, as it was the union who wanted it to happen). Despite being required to understand reams of speciality legislation and computer systems, not to mention take a load of abuse off the public, my pay was cut to the same level as a secondary school toilet attendant. I know a woman who has lost just under £4K and faces a new pay packet of about £13K when the "protection" ends, leaving her with absolutely no possibility of being able to pay her mortgage. Even before all that I was one of the lowest paid in the building, so when the union goes on about protecting people on low pay they can cram it as far as I'm concerned.

 

As a result, I never intend to be in a union and I will break all forthcoming strikes to boot. I'm looking after number one, everyone else can sod off.

[scaryoldcortina]

The councilor comes with his battered old suit

And his head all filled with plans

Says "It's not for myself, for the fame or wealth

But to help my fellow man."

Fist in the air and the first to stand

When the Internationale plays

Says "We'll break down the walls of the old Town Hall

And we'll fight all the lifelong day!"

Ten years later where is he now?

He's ditched all the old ideas

Milked all the life from the old cash cow

Now he's got a fine career

Now he's got a fine career.

 

Turned out nice again....

[Cavcraft]

Fair enough Cavette. But I think F1 is (most of the time) great and find football utterly shit. But it'd be a dull place if we all liked the same stuff wouldn't it

 

The difference (to me at least) is that if you don't have any passing interest in football its almost considered to be strange.

 

I'll agree to that chief, each to their own and all that. I love football but don't 'get' people who think it's strange that others don't like it.

 

BTCC is class, been a couple of times to see it at Oulton and the whole show (including other racing on the day) is fantastic.

[155V6]

BTCC finishes on Sunday,there's 4 drivers that can still win it,so should be a good one

[dieselnutjob]

Anyhow although this is the grumpy thread I shall bow out of this debate now.

 

Actually my fault for starting it.

There should probably be a separate religion&politics thread for this stuff

[warren t claim]

 

Good mate of mine is a train driver and a union rep for the train drivers. Now, he's earning well over £30k a year and he's always on holiday or having a few days off, yet he thinks he's hard done by and should have a wage rise every year without exception and more holidays. He also spends all his time complaining about "The rich" and how "People who earn lots of money should be taxed heavily" and how it's out of order that he's not getting a wage rise.

 

I have tried to point out to him that he's a single bloke with no kids who lives in a small flat and spends bugger all of the money he gets, and that I have to work rather a lot more hours for less money, and that the stuff I drive doesn't steer itself. I don't get 9 months off on full pay if someone chucks themselves in front of my car either.

 

If it's Miseryrail he's working for I think you'll find it's only six months off fo a jumper and the rest of your life off on full pay if it's your third. There are several drivers on their second jumper wising for another... You don't have to kill them-just knock them.

 

Anyway, a mate of mine used to work at the TR7 factory in Speke and he was telling me a few tales. His interview consisted of one question, will you join the union? He said yes and got the job. A few weeks later he turned up for work to dicover that instead of the two other people working in his team there were now five. He questioned the union rep as to why BL had taken on more staff and was dragged to one side, kneed in the bollocks and told in no uncertain terms that they had ALWAYS worked there without a day off! Apparently the factory was being audited that day.

 

In all fairness a friends dad is a union official for the Fire Brigade and he's a top bloke who just wants to see his mates treated with respect but my lasting memory of trade unions is the image of a Mk4 Cotina taxi with a lump of concrete through it's windscreen during the miners strike.

[chaseracer]

Never seen the point of unions in my line of work, but it just seems like a load of ex-BNP bullyboys in it for themselves.

Maybe I'm being over-sensitive here, but as a full-time elected union officer who works far too hard for not much money I find that characterisation FUCKING OFFENSIVE.

 

That is all.

[ashmicro]

 

 

We're all friends here. If we want it to stay that way, may I respectfully suggest that a Religion & Politics thread may not be a good idea.

[dieselnutjob]

Yeah maybe.

I was/am a moderator on the tdiclub forums for years and they had to basically totally ban politics / religion.

But most of the them are Americans

I think if the country was run by British (I mean as in live here not as in BNP ) car nuts then probably it would be a fantastic place.

Everytime an argument got too heated we would just have a pint and go and look at a Hillman Avenger or something.

[chaseracer]

Yeah maybe... Everytime an argument got too heated we would just have a pint and go and look at a Hillman Avenger or something.

I am very calm.

 

 

[brammy777]

My mum currently needs a supervisor in the shop, as they quit AGAIN. So the last three have left for the following reasons;

-Needed to sort their life out, and they were expecting a baby.

-Stole from every shop they worked in.

-Family issues.

And everyone who has applied so far has stated they cant work weekends and/or early mornings. Wise up you lemons, thats two of the essential criteria for the job, you cant just edit it for your own good. Why cant people just take a job which requires no qualifications happily? Pretty sure the company is breaking the law by making my mum work like 80 odd hours without a day off every week too.

[chaseracer]

Pretty sure the company is breaking the law by making my mum work like 80 odd hours without a day off every week too.

Mmm-hmm.

 

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1373

 

http://www.usdaw.org.uk/

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I cant see why anyone has a problem with unions. As an employee in a union, its not like you get some sort of super power that you can abuse to bring down your company, you have no new additional rights do you. OK you get some wankers in union rep positions but then again you get plenty of wankers in positions of management and so on. Any company that is fearful of unions has something to hide or a guilty conscience I reckon.

 

When Michael Edwardes was running BL, twice the unions almost brought the company to its knees, and both times he balloted the workforce directly and on both occatsions the results went his way rather than the union's way. The workforce knew which was the 'right' way to vote. The problem was not the workers being able to join a union - just gobshites in the union rep positions.

[eddyramrod]

Yeah maybe... Everytime an argument got too heated we would just have a pint and go and look at a Hillman Avenger or something.

I am very calm.

 

 

 

My mate Kenny had one that colour, I got him a pair of doors for the driver's side when he mashed his on the gatepost...

[dollywobbler]

I cant see why anyone has a problem with unions. As an employee in a union, its not like you get some sort of super power that you can abuse to bring down your company, you have no new additional rights do you. OK you get some wankers in union rep positions but then again you get plenty of wankers in positions of management and so on. Any company that is fearful of unions has something to hide or a guilty conscience I reckon.

 

When Michael Edwardes was running BL, twice the unions almost brought the company to its knees, and both times he balloted the workforce directly and on both occatsions the results went his way rather than the union's way. The workforce knew which was the 'right' way to vote. The problem was not the workers being able to join a union - just gobshites in the union rep positions.

 

I guess my views are tainted by the fact that I once worked with a union rep. He only seemed to be one because he loved sticking is oar in, feeling all powerful. Didn't stop me reporting him to our manager because he was sat there on the internet while I was trying to give external visitors a briefing - AND he tried muscling into some discussions I was having with the management about my own circumstances, which I sorted out for myself. He was a work shy cock (it wasn't just that once incident). Did get some pleasure dobbing him in - gave him a chance to feel some people power in action... He left me alone after that, but doing so after I'd said 'no, it's fine' would have been better!

[warren t claim]

RIP Norman Wisdom. Even well into his 80's he drove a Nissan 200sx.

[Tayne]

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[eddyramrod]

RIP Norman Wisdom. Even well into his 80's he drove a Nissan 200sx.

 

+1: RIP Sir Norman.

[ashmicro]

+1 more. What a great chap.

[Cavcraft]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11473192

 

+3.

 

Very funny bloke, loved his films. What a shame he passed away.

[Station]

RIP Norman Wisdom. Even well into his 80's he drove a Nissan 200sx.

 

Is that true?! Can't imagine him going sideways round a roundabout, with 20" pink alloys and unpainted, white fibre glass bumpers. While screaming 'Mr Grimsdale'.

[whitevanman]

Ihe balloted the workforce directly and on both occatsions the results went his way rather than the union's way. The workforce knew which was the 'right' way to vote. The problem was not the workers being able to join a union - just gobshites in the union rep positions.

 

I think that says it better than I managed