The grumpy thread

[DodgeRover]

At least you didn't put your hand in the poo!

[Kiltox]

I've been pondering this all week! I'd have to get rid of all my hoovers though... And quit my job obv

 

You could stash some of them in Cheltenham for free courtesy of my company...

[Parky]

Jesus, what a morning.

 

Mother in law staying with us and keeps giving me life advice. Most of which involves moving to NZ and getting a job driving a tractor.

 

Son revealed he had 7 pieces of homework due in today but had only completed 5. Spent my morning rubbing teabags on a piece of paper before burning the edges so he could write out Boudicca's suicide note. How that is equipping him for society I really don't know.

 

IPhone has packed up. Luckily I have a spare but still pissed about it as it seems to be a software issue. Won't update, won't restore, won't turn on properly. Have lots of useful stuff on it which I may have lost. I did back it up a few days back but the replacement phone for some reason won't allow me to use the backup. I hate Apple.

 

Applied for 11 jobs this week. Nothing heard from any of them. One job that I really wanted, had three interviews for and was assured before Christmas by the company was almost a dead cert has probably fallen over. A new boss has come in and has decided to get an external recruitment firm involved in the search so obviously has decided I'm not quite what he is after. Bollocks. I needed that quite badly.

 

But despite all this, a Junkman breakfast should see me right. Stiff upper lip and all that...

[richardthestag]

yesterdays meltdown whinge, this is a long whinge sorry

 

iPhone 6, what an absolute bucket of dog wank.

 

for reasons known only to the false God of design over function all three of my lads had splashed out their own folding what I consider large on these rancid fart over the last 18 months

 

Last week

 

Son #1 has been moaning from Uni that the wifi reception is shite - known fault 

GPS is only accurate to the nearest mile - known fault

then the silly sod knocked it off his bedside table, despite the silicon bumper retrofitted the 40cm fall onto a pile of books was enough to crack the screen

 

Son #3 has been moaning about battery life, for some reason kids these days freak out if the charge drops below 75%. Anyway I fitted a battery he bought off the bay in Nov last year and that was cheap crap the phone is apparently worse than ever. 

 

Son #2 downloaded a pilot IOS whatever upgrade that effectively bricked his phone, he was able to recover it using his itunes backup

 

To fix son #3 phone I lifted screen, removed battery and screen to fit a new battery because the glue used to seat the battery would hold a cortina to the ceiling. it is easy to bend the case or damage the cables connecting screen to logic board. phone back and working #3 son happy.

 

son #1 wanted me to fit new wifi antenna and sort the gPS fault. he didnt want to spend on a screen so I had to be careful lifting the screen. the wifi antenna is the first thing on the production line. fitted it, reseated all the gps connectors and then rebuilt it being very careful to fit screws back into original location. some are different by only 0.1mm but it is critical they go back in the correct location. fitted the screen and while it worked it was now strippy. the screen had bent ever so slightly on removal and is now definitely scrap.

 

@1 son now moaning like hell that I have broken his phone, fragile state that I am in right now made me feel like proper shit. begged #3 son to load me his phone so I could swap the screen and trouble shoot the issue on #1 sons phone. 

 

Fault proven to be with #1 son screen unit. refitted screen to #3 sons phone and now touch screen wont work.

 

both sons #1 and #3 are moaning like hell at me, #2 son is winding #3 son up and they are by now fighting.

 

long story shorter ish

 

ordered new screen on amazon prime, fitted to #3 sons phone and no change - still no touch screen, fitted to #1 sons phone and it works. #3 son is bitching like hell I have broken his fucking phone. #1 son starts moaning that his phone powered off at 30% battery, is whining at me. I am on my second pint of gin and tonic. I ignore the lot of them. turns out #1 son had started to download ios upgrade, it was part way through that when it restarted due to the upgrade. rather than wait #1 decides to soft reset it numerous times before realising what he had done. all the time moaning at me.

 

it ironed itself out in the end. then he moans that wifi doesnt work at all - soft reset and it works again and the signal is strong. bit of research and I found latest ios has wifi known issues. ffs. ask him to leave phone with me and I will post it to him at Uni the next day but apparently he cannot live without it.

 

Properly fed up now with #3 sons moaning I send him down to the ifixit shop in Wycombe, I will foot the bill. they say Logic board is broken, known fault on the early iphone 6. It is recognised by itunes but because the screen cannot be unlocked we cannot even back it up. turns out he has never backed it up and all his most important holiday pics are on it. arghhhhh

 

by now I am feeling super cunty, check in with #1 son, how is Uni? how did work go last night? is your phone ok, turns out that wifi is now completely dead on it arghhhhhhh

 

Yesterday I found a good replacement iphone 6 on the bay and coughed my own cash to buy it as i feel so bad for #3 son.

 

He gets home from 6th form - yes he is actually 17 years old and behaves like a 2 year old spoiled brat sometimes. in a filthy mood because Mrs Thestag didnt really want to let him drive the car home because she was in a rush. I show him the phone on ebay and he is Meh. fucking hell, still moaning about his lost photos, I told him to find the local apple store and see what they can do.

 

Then he is all like you didnt have to buy a phone, I didnt want a phone and Mrs Thestag is "why did you buy another phone? I thought you were saving money etc etc etc. 

 

anyone else would have fucking lost it, me I just retreated into my shell.

 

Kevin and Perry can fuck right off, I want my sons back

 

If I ever suggest I can fix anything with that parasitic apple logo ever again cut my fucking hands off or I shall ask God to strike me down

 

 

 

 

[alcyonecorporation]

yesterdays meltdown whinge, this is a long whinge sorry

 

iPhone 6, what an absolute bucket of dog wank.

 

for reasons known only to the false God of design over function all three of my lads had splashed out their own folding what I consider large on these rancid fart over the last 18 months

 

Last week

 

Son #1 has been moaning from Uni that the wifi reception is shite - known fault 

GPS is only accurate to the nearest mile - known fault

then the silly sod knocked it off his bedside table, despite the silicon bumper retrofitted the 40cm fall onto a pile of books was enough to crack the screen

 

Son #3 has been moaning about battery life, for some reason kids these days freak out if the charge drops below 75%. Anyway I fitted a battery he bought off the bay in Nov last year and that was cheap crap the phone is apparently worse than ever. 

 

Son #2 downloaded a pilot IOS whatever upgrade that effectively bricked his phone, he was able to recover it using his itunes backup

 

To fix son #3 phone I lifted screen, removed battery and screen to fit a new battery because the glue used to seat the battery would hold a cortina to the ceiling. it is easy to bend the case or damage the cables connecting screen to logic board. phone back and working #3 son happy.

 

son #1 wanted me to fit new wifi antenna and sort the gPS fault. he didnt want to spend on a screen so I had to be careful lifting the screen. the wifi antenna is the first thing on the production line. fitted it, reseated all the gps connectors and then rebuilt it being very careful to fit screws back into original location. some are different by only 0.1mm but it is critical they go back in the correct location. fitted the screen and while it worked it was now strippy. the screen had bent ever so slightly on removal and is now definitely scrap.

 

@1 son now moaning like hell that I have broken his phone, fragile state that I am in right now made me feel like proper shit. begged #3 son to load me his phone so I could swap the screen and trouble shoot the issue on #1 sons phone. 

 

Fault proven to be with #1 son screen unit. refitted screen to #3 sons phone and now touch screen wont work.

 

both sons #1 and #3 are moaning like hell at me, #2 son is winding #3 son up and they are by now fighting.

 

long story shorter ish

 

ordered new screen on amazon prime, fitted to #3 sons phone and no change - still no touch screen, fitted to #1 sons phone and it works. #3 son is bitching like hell I have broken his fucking phone. #1 son starts moaning that his phone powered off at 30% battery, is whining at me. I am on my second pint of gin and tonic. I ignore the lot of them. turns out #1 son had started to download ios upgrade, it was part way through that when it restarted due to the upgrade. rather than wait #1 decides to soft reset it numerous times before realising what he had done. all the time moaning at me.

 

it ironed itself out in the end. then he moans that wifi doesnt work at all - soft reset and it works again and the signal is strong. bit of research and I found latest ios has wifi known issues. ffs. ask him to leave phone with me and I will post it to him at Uni the next day but apparently he cannot live without it.

 

Properly fed up now with #3 sons moaning I send him down to the ifixit shop in Wycombe, I will foot the bill. they say Logic board is broken, known fault on the early iphone 6. It is recognised by itunes but because the screen cannot be unlocked we cannot even back it up. turns out he has never backed it up and all his most important holiday pics are on it. arghhhhh

 

by now I am feeling super cunty, check in with #1 son, how is Uni? how did work go last night? is your phone ok, turns out that wifi is now completely dead on it arghhhhhhh

 

Yesterday I found a good replacement iphone 6 on the bay and coughed my own cash to buy it as i feel so bad for #3 son.

 

He gets home from 6th form - yes he is actually 17 years old and behaves like a 2 year old spoiled brat sometimes. in a filthy mood because Mrs Thestag didnt really want to let him drive the car home because she was in a rush. I show him the phone on ebay and he is Meh. fucking hell, still moaning about his lost photos, I told him to find the local apple store and see what they can do.

 

Then he is all like you didnt have to buy a phone, I didnt want a phone and Mrs Thestag is "why did you buy another phone? I thought you were saving money etc etc etc. 

 

anyone else would have fucking lost it, me I just retreated into my shell.

 

Kevin and Perry can fuck right off, I want my sons back

 

If I ever suggest I can fix anything with that parasitic apple logo ever again cut my fucking hands off or I shall ask God to strike me down

Could your nearest and dearest stop being shit, please?

[Des]

Jesus! Just fixing a phone is enough to test your patience, if that hat been on my watch there'd be a brace of folded in half iphones meeting a hammer and grinder.

[Mr A Lawrence]

Try changing your email address on here!

 

It makes ringing the dvla,  eBay or PayPal a breeze! !

[Eddie Honda]

yesterdays meltdown whinge [snip]

 

That would never happen round here. If either of my sons bought an Apple product, they could get tae fuck and fend for themselves. #miserable1970sdad.

[Parky]

yesterdays meltdown whinge, this is a long whinge sorry

 

iPhone 6, what an absolute bucket of dog wank.

 

for reasons known only to the false God of design over function all three of my lads had splashed out their own folding what I consider large on these rancid fart over the last 18 months

 

Last week

 

Son #1 has been moaning from Uni that the wifi reception is shite - known fault 

GPS is only accurate to the nearest mile - known fault

then the silly sod knocked it off his bedside table, despite the silicon bumper retrofitted the 40cm fall onto a pile of books was enough to crack the screen

 

Son #3 has been moaning about battery life, for some reason kids these days freak out if the charge drops below 75%. Anyway I fitted a battery he bought off the bay in Nov last year and that was cheap crap the phone is apparently worse than ever. 

 

Son #2 downloaded a pilot IOS whatever upgrade that effectively bricked his phone, he was able to recover it using his itunes backup

 

To fix son #3 phone I lifted screen, removed battery and screen to fit a new battery because the glue used to seat the battery would hold a cortina to the ceiling. it is easy to bend the case or damage the cables connecting screen to logic board. phone back and working #3 son happy.

 

son #1 wanted me to fit new wifi antenna and sort the gPS fault. he didnt want to spend on a screen so I had to be careful lifting the screen. the wifi antenna is the first thing on the production line. fitted it, reseated all the gps connectors and then rebuilt it being very careful to fit screws back into original location. some are different by only 0.1mm but it is critical they go back in the correct location. fitted the screen and while it worked it was now strippy. the screen had bent ever so slightly on removal and is now definitely scrap.

 

@1 son now moaning like hell that I have broken his phone, fragile state that I am in right now made me feel like proper shit. begged #3 son to load me his phone so I could swap the screen and trouble shoot the issue on #1 sons phone. 

 

Fault proven to be with #1 son screen unit. refitted screen to #3 sons phone and now touch screen wont work.

 

both sons #1 and #3 are moaning like hell at me, #2 son is winding #3 son up and they are by now fighting.

 

long story shorter ish

 

ordered new screen on amazon prime, fitted to #3 sons phone and no change - still no touch screen, fitted to #1 sons phone and it works. #3 son is bitching like hell I have broken his fucking phone. #1 son starts moaning that his phone powered off at 30% battery, is whining at me. I am on my second pint of gin and tonic. I ignore the lot of them. turns out #1 son had started to download ios upgrade, it was part way through that when it restarted due to the upgrade. rather than wait #1 decides to soft reset it numerous times before realising what he had done. all the time moaning at me.

 

it ironed itself out in the end. then he moans that wifi doesnt work at all - soft reset and it works again and the signal is strong. bit of research and I found latest ios has wifi known issues. ffs. ask him to leave phone with me and I will post it to him at Uni the next day but apparently he cannot live without it.

 

Properly fed up now with #3 sons moaning I send him down to the ifixit shop in Wycombe, I will foot the bill. they say Logic board is broken, known fault on the early iphone 6. It is recognised by itunes but because the screen cannot be unlocked we cannot even back it up. turns out he has never backed it up and all his most important holiday pics are on it. arghhhhh

 

by now I am feeling super cunty, check in with #1 son, how is Uni? how did work go last night? is your phone ok, turns out that wifi is now completely dead on it arghhhhhhh

 

Yesterday I found a good replacement iphone 6 on the bay and coughed my own cash to buy it as i feel so bad for #3 son.

 

He gets home from 6th form - yes he is actually 17 years old and behaves like a 2 year old spoiled brat sometimes. in a filthy mood because Mrs Thestag didnt really want to let him drive the car home because she was in a rush. I show him the phone on ebay and he is Meh. fucking hell, still moaning about his lost photos, I told him to find the local apple store and see what they can do.

 

Then he is all like you didnt have to buy a phone, I didnt want a phone and Mrs Thestag is "why did you buy another phone? I thought you were saving money etc etc etc. 

 

anyone else would have fucking lost it, me I just retreated into my shell.

 

Kevin and Perry can fuck right off, I want my sons back

 

If I ever suggest I can fix anything with that parasitic apple logo ever again cut my fucking hands off or I shall ask God to strike me down

OMG, I feel the same. Parky Jnr is 13 and is a proper cunt nowadays (term used by Mrs P herself this morning).

 

He will be fine. It's a tough time, too old to be treated like a kid, too young to deal with adult responsibility. I remember those days, they weren't easy times.

 

Although I do think instead of Uni he should leave school at 18 and do three years in the forces. A couple of years being chased around a desert being shot at by fundamentalists should bring some perspective to things. He can come out at 21, a super fit killing machine, tough and disciplined, and go to Uni then. He will literally be drowning in young women!

[tooSavvy]

^^^ .... I don't think '2 medals + tin leg' would cut it with me.

 

I used to do maint calls at barracks (Compass food tills) and I was shocked at seeing so many amputees

 

TS

[oldcars]

If you are single that hotel job would be super, days off out on the bike, and fixing stuff at work. Its gets no better.

[SiC]

Although I do think instead of Uni he should leave school at 18 and do three years in the forces. A couple of years being chased around a desert being shot at by fundamentalists should bring some perspective to things. He can come out at 21, a super fit killing machine, tough and disciplined, and go to Uni then. He will literally be drowning in young women!

A friend at uni pretty much did that. Joined up before uni and trained up. Went to uni and in between years 2 and 3 he did 2 tours. Never talked about his time over there and avoided speaking about it. Near the end of 3rd year he crashed his car into a barrier on the motorway - survived. Couple of weeks later jumped in front of a train.

 

A super nice guy too.

[cros]

"Torotrak plc, a developer and supplier of emissions reduction and fuel efficiency technology for vehicles, announces that, further to the announcements on 28 November 2017 and 1 December 2017, the Board has received notification that Mr Jonathan Hilton and Mr Douglas Cross have filed an application for administration for Flybrid Automotive Limited. The application is listed for hearing on 15 December 2017."

 

Following the announcement that the futures electric and Ford thusly pulling out of using this companies fuel saving technology another one bites the dust. 80 odd jobs lost.

 

[Des]

Fucking AOL has discontinued. I know I'm a cunt to have been using it all these years but back in prehistoric times when dial up was charged by the minute, AOL were the first to do the decent thing and offer unlimited for a reasonable amount, hence I stuck with them. Now having to learn to use browser like normal people, not an improvement really. Should have kicked off when Ceefax was pulled, slippery slope and all that, can I have 1985 back please? 

[Captain Furious]

I used to fix the odd iPhone for friends and family....which ended up being friends of friends...friends of friends of friends.....guys in pubs etc

 

Knocked it on the head in the end because there was too much potential for fucking something else up in the process and then them expecting me to buy them a new phone or whatever.  (I never actually did, but there was the potential there, and I wasn't making any money out of it)

 

Hotel job sounds ace, I mean probably not for me, because I can't wallpaper, plaster or tile, i'm not that great at plumbing and electrics and time management skills could be better..

[SiC]

Wow, you mean that the AOL browser has been working all that time? The only thing AOL used to be good for is those free floppy discs you used to get in front of magazines.

 

What happened to Compuserv too?

[richardthestag]

blimey that takes me back

 

you were either Compuserve or "arseholes on line" back then.

 

how the tech evolved! not necessarily for the better

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Yo rich the stag, why are you putting up with this bollox? (Never mind telling us about it) Just refuse to discuss phones any more with the rest of your family. When you have announced this, put some big headphones on and listen to some Aphex Twin or whatever while they warble on about it amongst themselves. After 45 mins take the cans off, and warn them that if you hear the word iPhone they are going back on again for another 45 mins. Basically tell them all you don't give a shit and they have to sort their own phone problems out.

[tooSavvy]

"The only thing AOL used to be good for is those free floppy discs you used to get in front of magazines."

 

.... I still have a stash (perfect for Araldite mixing!)

 

 

TS

[Lord Sterling]

Fucking AOL has discontinued. I know I'm a cunt to have been using it all these years but back in prehistoric times when dial up was charged by the minute, AOL were the first to do the decent thing and offer unlimited for a reasonable amount, hence I stuck with them. Now having to learn to use browser like normal people, not an improvement really. Should have kicked off when Ceefax was pulled, slippery slope and all that, can I have 1985 back please?

 

LOL! I remember that AOL browser, I even used thier messenger for a bit. The browser was a really intrusive thing with 2 side bars on either side and all sorts at the top which made viewing pages a bit difficult. In the end I started to use the the then computers original IE browser.

 

Anyway - Work. So far this week they have tried to keep in and around London and despite all that my earnings so far for this week have been stupidly low barely crashing through the £200 barrier. However, I just managed to get home twice this week and back to London. Now they can't be bothered to send me home in a hitmre car despite using them all week to get me about to far and wide jobs. Absolutely ridiculous

[Parky]

God I am hating my phone at the mo.

 

Old phone - iPhone 5c. Decent enough for my needs. Had it since November '15. This morning won't come on. Seems to go through its boot cycle but then stalls, and starts the cycle again. And again. And again. It just won't fire up.

 

Replacement - Daughters old iPhone 5s. Slightly better than what I had so not a major problem swapping sims and resetting everything. Trouble is I don't have all my contact numbers as they are on my old phone.

 

However all shouldn't be lost as I did a backup of my old phone last week. Aha says I, will restore the new phone to factory settings and then download my backup to it. Will iTunes do it? Will it fuck. Keeps demanding my password to authorise the reset but won't accept any passwords. I certainly didn't put a password on it. Retrieval? Not possible. No password, no second chances pal.

 

So I am operational but the loss of numbers is a serious bummer. Research suggests that basically it could be anything. Battery, hardware, software. Basically it's fubared. What annoys me the most is I backed it up but I am not allowed to have my own backup off my own machine.

 

First world problems and all that. Off to buy a diary and do these things old school. Ain't no school like the old school....

[Tadhg Tiogar]

....Off to buy a diary and do these things old school. Ain't no school like the old school....

 

You can still get these....

[bub2006]

Family funeral today. In bathroom making myself look presentable. Grab a can I believe to be shaving foam from the shelf and spray into hands. Feels very runny. What twat put a can of WD-40 in my bathroom. More the point why did I put it there. And finally I tread in a puddle in a Lay-by which seems to be diesel. Now I have to arrive there smelling like a fecking diesel fitter.

[Jazoli]

Why the fuck does anyone persist with iphones? they are badly made pieces of shit with an impossible UI when trying to do anything, for fucks sake throw them in the fucking bin and buy an Android phone, MotoG's can be had for just over a ton and they just work, all your contacts are linked to a gmail account so no issues if you lose the phone, file transfer is just drag and drop and there's no other bollocks or fucking around.

 

Iphones are shit, yes they are nice and shiny but overpriced bloated junk.

[scaryoldcortina]

LOL. If it makes you feel better I once accidently used a tube of germoline as toothpaste.

[Guest Hooli]

Family funeral today. In bathroom making myself look presentable. Grab a can I believe to be shaving foam from the shelf and spray into hands. Feels very runny. What twat put a can of WD-40 in my bathroom. More the point why did I put it there. And finally I tread in a puddle in a Lay-by which seems to be diesel. Now I have to arrive there smelling like a fecking diesel fitter.

 

 

Sorry but genuine LOL Bub.

[fordperv]

Family funeral today. In bathroom making myself look presentable. Grab a can I believe to be shaving foam from the shelf and spray into hands. Feels very runny. What twat put a can of WD-40 in my bathroom. More the point why did I put it there. And finally I tread in a puddle in a Lay-by which seems to be diesel. Now I have to arrive there smelling like a fecking diesel fitter.

You soft sod your supposed to put the aftershave on when you have had a shave

 

[SiC]

God I am hating my phone at the mo.

 

Old phone - iPhone 5c. Decent enough for my needs. Had it since November '15. This morning won't come on. Seems to go through its boot cycle but then stalls, and starts the cycle again. And again. And again. It just won't fire up.

 

Replacement - Daughters old iPhone 5s. Slightly better than what I had so not a major problem swapping sims and resetting everything. Trouble is I don't have all my contact numbers as they are on my old phone.

 

However all shouldn't be lost as I did a backup of my old phone last week. Aha says I, will restore the new phone to factory settings and then download my backup to it. Will iTunes do it? Will it fuck. Keeps demanding my password to authorise the reset but won't accept any passwords. I certainly didn't put a password on it. Retrieval? Not possible. No password, no second chances pal.

 

So I am operational but the loss of numbers is a serious bummer. Research suggests that basically it could be anything. Battery, hardware, software. Basically it's fubared. What annoys me the most is I backed it up but I am not allowed to have my own backup off my own machine.

 

First world problems and all that. Off to buy a diary and do these things old school. Ain't no school like the old school....

Is it the power button being ropey? I had an android phone do that and it happened to reboot every 20 seconds - the exact time that you hold to force reset it. I used to tap the button a couple of times after pressing it.

[Parky]

Is it the power button being ropey? I had an android phone do that and it happened to reboot every 20 seconds - the exact time that you hold to force reset it. I used to tap the button a couple of times after pressing it.

No, it's some sort of software corruption. Reset the new one just fine, tried same on my old one and it runs the update and restore, and crashes at the end. Piece of crap. Probably turn out to need a new battery and motherboard or some other shit.

 

Later I shall be spending some quality time in the garage. Just me, my phone, and Mr Lumphammer.

 

In other news, I just had a call from the school. Junior was supposed to do a maths project over Christmas and hasn't. We specifically asked him when the holidays started what work he had and he denied having any. So not only has he lied, but now has a shitload of Latin to do by next Monday and a massive Maths project to do tonight. If it isn't in by tomorrow he will not only get a week of detention but be dropped from the top Maths set which will remove his opportunity to do his Maths GCSE a year early. He can easily do it, he is just being a lying lazy little fucker.

 

Every privilege that boy has been given has just disappeared.

 

I am VERY FUCKING ANGRY

[Exiled_Tat_Gatherer]

I may be jumping the gun......... but I've found myself a 2000 Aprilia RS125 - full on original with only 5500kms. Not too badly priced and I offered not far below asking. Was outbid last minute but apparently the bidder disappeared.

Email this morning 9.30 - bid acceptable - GREAT

Mail back - contact details and everything, when can I come and look at it.

Sat viewing arranged.

20mins later - text  - he's 'just' had an email offering full price from a guy who's coming right over......... yeah sure you have - It's been up 3 times, higher bidder has ghosted and I've (eagerly) arranged to view at your earliest convenience and suddenly 'we buy all your motorbikes'* has trumped up full asking over an email.

 

If the offer wasn't enough - then don't email me saying it is then try and get me to up the bid with some phantom buyer you thieving git....... if it wasn't the fact I'd been looking for an RS for ages I'd be sending the FRO text already.

 

*may not be them if I'm honest

 

Now waiting to see if I'll end up with this little monster or not.......... up n down already today.

 

EDIT - MR The Stag - I'd be with *Boll on this one - they're old enough to take on backups and upgrades themselves or troll down to the Apple rapists to have their pockets emptied at their leisure OR they can fix the things themselves (or try to) and then choose dad helping out or the aforementioned wallet rapers........ stick to the G n T fella and/or go work on British tin requiring your attention