Once seen, can't be unseen

[rainagain]

On 10/18/2019 at 2:24 PM, inconsistant said:

This. We all know what's supposed to go there between the wing and the headlights, you can't fool us that it was meant to be like that and you didn't have a last minute change of plan for the headlights/indicators when you'd already made the tooling for the bodywork.

Has anyone got a pic showing what it was meant to look like before the change? 

[ETCHY]

6 hours ago, bunglebus said:

Talking of Ford penny pinching - base MK1 Fiesta doesn't get heater vents at the ends of the crashpad, Ford made two different parts, and two different heater boxes to pushish you for being tight

(OK the one in the 2nd pic is the padded Ghia version, but you had to buy at least an L to get decent ventilation)

Yeah that always bugged the crap out of me. The hard plastic one was really poxy.

Thing is I always thought it must have cost more to tool up for two different dashboards than just fit one type to all models ???

[ETCHY]

The windscreen of the Metro never looked quite right, it was slightly too small & rounded at the corners somehow.  Almost like it was off something else.

The weird A pillar lines don't help.

[Yoss]

1 hour ago, rainagain said:

Has anyone got a pic showing what it was meant to look like before the change? 

 

More like this I'm guessing. 

As this was the face of Rover at the time they were being developed. I think I read somewhere (which means I may have imagined it, and even if I didn't it may not be true) that BMW forced Rover to put the indicators as low as was legally allowed so they wouldn't be able to do a sporty version with lowered suspension as it would be competition for there own cars. I think the honeymoon period was very much over by then and there were lots of arguments over what the 75 should be. 

Obviously once BMW left they released  the MG Z range with whole new bumpers with raised indicators. 

Which gives me an excuse to post a picture of my old ZT-T. 

 

PS, panel gaps around the front of 75/ZT's was always terrible. 

[Sir Snipes]

I'm not really sure what else they could have down with that shunt line between wing and bumper. 

I think they executed that two round light arrangement quite well. 

[bunglebus]

1 hour ago, ETCHY said:

The windscreen of the Metro never looked quite right

The whole glasshouse is rong, I've looked the side profile of these and MK1/2 Fiestas - remarkably similar but the Metro just doesn't quite work somehow

[martc]

1 hour ago, Yoss said:

 BMW forced Rover to put the indicators as low as was legally allowed so they wouldn't be able to do a sporty version with lowered suspension as it would be competition for there own cars.

I'm surprised BMW didn't tell Rover to delete the indicators completely in order to maintain consistency between the two brands.

[bunglebus]

Fiat Punto badge has the driver facing backwards?

 

[MiniMort]

I want to know what’s going on with the rear door of the Citroen GS... why does it go that far back under the window?

And speaking of inappropriately placed glass, I never liked how the Vauxhall Cresta’s front doors opened underneath the curved windscreen so you hit your kneecaps on it when you got it

[Yoss]

13 minutes ago, bunglebus said:

Fiat Punto badge has the driver facing backwards?

 

I'd never seen that as a driver before. Now I can't see as anything else. Exactly as thread title describes. 

[Alfa botherer]

Have we had this yet? R55 bini clubman rear door. They only have one and it opens onto the road on a RHD car.  Presumably deemed too expensive to manufacture on the other side for non LHD markets. 

[ETCHY]

The front of the Morris Ital. It appears they used the bog standard Marina wings/front & just shoved the new indicators, lights & grill into the existing hole. Presumably that's why you have the weird little filler panel at the top between them & the bonnet & also at the bottom near the bumper. It looks like a lash up.

 

[Tadhg Tiogar]

39 minutes ago, ETCHY said:

The front of the Morris Ital. It appears they used the bog standard Marina wings/front & just shoved the new indicators, lights & grill into the existing hole. Presumably that's why you have the weird little filler panel at the top between them & the bonnet & also at the bottom near the bumper. It looks like a lash up.

Apparently Harris Mann was responsible for that, and it looks like he was under orders to touch as little of the existing bodyshell as possible to save on tooling costs.

ItalDesign published an extensive coffee table book some years ago, showing virtually every design project they had worked on. Guess which car didn't get a mention?

[Timewaster]

Be fair to Ital (the company, not the car) it was someone else's mild facelift of someone else's design that they helped put in to production. 

 

Had the car been a roaring success and become a desirable cult classic (unlikely!) then Ital would be criticised for trying to claim credit. 

[Wack]

On 10/17/2019 at 10:39 PM, UltraWomble said:

The fact the rear doors on the Mk1 Lag estate are clearly just saloon doors and the back looks tacked on.

 

And the fact the Rover 25 has "bonnet not closed" gaps 

I had a MGZT ,it was that bad people  would tell me the bonnet was open 

In the end I put washers under the grille screws to lift it up a bit from the fuck it that'll do factory position .

[bunglebus]

The Jaguar symbol on the XF annoys me - it's not symmetrical - fine as a bonnet mascot but not as a badge

 

[bangernomics]

The Jaguar symbol on the XF annoys me - it's not symmetrical - fine as a bonnet mascot but not as a badge
 

I always see them as something a tasteless owner has bodged on. Usually a rusty x-type thing on the front wings.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

6 hours ago, Timewaster said:

Be fair to Ital (the company, not the car) it was someone else's mild facelift of someone else's design that they helped put in to production. ...

They could have at least objected to their name being used to adorn a pile of shite.

[adw1977]

On 10/19/2019 at 4:27 PM, ETCHY said:

Yeah that always bugged the crap out of me. The hard plastic one was really poxy.

Thing is I always thought it must have cost more to tool up for two different dashboards than just fit one type to all models ???

Deleting air vents from the base model is something that was carried over from the Mark 1 Fiesta.  On the Mark 3 Escort, Ford deleted the two centre vents from the base model instead.

[Crackers]

I'm amazed we're 5 pages into a thread and nobody has mentioned this.

 

[NorthernMonkey]

On 10/19/2019 at 8:30 PM, bunglebus said:

Fiat Punto badge has the driver facing backwards?

 

Faces the right way for a LHD though

[MiniMort]

3 minutes ago, NorthernMonkey said:

Faces the right way for a LHD though

Didn’t realise they sit at 90 degrees from us, that’s quite a skill

[Uncle Jimmy]

5 hours ago, bunglebus said:

The Jaguar symbol on the XF annoys me - it's not symmetrical - fine as a bonnet mascot but not as a badge

 

Yes! It annoys me greatly, might be OKish on the wings but needs the growling cat on the rear. The fact that the rest of the car looks like an anonymous BMW doesn't help either.

[Garythesnail]

41 minutes ago, Crackers said:

I'm amazed we're 5 pages into a thread and nobody has mentioned this.

 

It does look better centralised but can't help think it's lost something by going from the vertical lights on the 4 to these horizontal units.

 

 

[Crackers]

I still think it looks awful with the plate centered. The horizontal lights are also an entirely stupid idea, as the brake lights aren't allowed to be on the (one piece, no longer split, nice one LR) tailgate. So, despite the massive tail light units, you only get this much brake light.

As a consequence they have to be ridiculously bright, piercing LED units that blind you when sat behind one. And the drivers won't put it in neutral and apply handbrake because autobox.

 

Compare that absolutely crap bit of design work with the brilliantly visible (and completely distinctive) units on the the 3's and 4's.

You can always tell when you're following a Disco 3/4 at night from a distance because of those lights. And note the width of the (split, woohoo!) tailgate is still just as good as that of the Disco 5.

 

[/rant over*]

 

*maybe

 

Can you tell I don't like the Disco 5 much? 

[NorthernMonkey]

31 minutes ago, MiniMort said:

Didn’t realise they sit at 90 degrees from us, that’s quite a skill

Yep.

Hence Brexit.

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[Skut]

Original Mini doors never seem to fit properly and look open even when shut. Pisses me off everytime I see one. 

R25 door handles. Good looking rounded 90s profile ruined with blocky unpainted plastic door handles from an 80s Honda. Also the stupid vinyl applique on the door that tried and failed to look like part of the glasshouse can piss off and later did. 

 

[vulgalour]

BANANA CAR

[Sir Snipes]

On 10/20/2019 at 9:28 PM, Crackers said:

I'm amazed we're 5 pages into a thread and nobody has mentioned this.

 

I think because this thread is about the details you may have missed until it's pointed out, whole that thing is just a mess for all to see (except everybody at LR it seems).

[320touring]

5 hours ago, vulgalour said:

BANANA CAR

My ex boss was not best pleased when I referred to his then new one of these as "the flying banana"

They look bent