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Just now, Out Run said:

Belonged! A private example etc.

Nah prob not, an early Government backed PCP lease car, screw the poor motorist grant.

There is now a facebook conversation going on about them, bloody things 

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Just now, DVee8 said:

Nah prob not, an early Government backed PCP lease car, screw the poor motorist grant.

There is now a facebook conversation going on about them, bloody things 

Thought as much. Choose your words carefully, mate! You can't own a DHSS one and all that. Lol.

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28 minutes ago, mitsisigma01 said:

Caught a glimpse of this on TV the other night .... absolute shit quality but just about visible on still

 

ah cool an AC Model 64 :) looks like 767RPJ so a close relative of this Model 64 :) 

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which is the oldest AC Invalid vehicle I can find on the DVLA so far :)

its also not far from this one either, which is interesting because its an AC Model 57, and 57's and 64's did not share blocks

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it could be that there are just 2 blocks quite close to each other, but is rather curious :)

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Just putting the word out that I'm after a model 70 'join the long line' I know, but just incase anyone's wanting to part with one I've got a budget of about £2000 may go up or down depending, I'm obviously not expecting a minter, just a project to keep me busy throughout the summer. I'm Located in Hampshire but will obviously travel about for the right car.

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On 1/10/2022 at 6:52 PM, Harriytait said:

Just putting the word out that I'm after a model 70 'join the long line' I know, but just incase anyone's wanting to part with one I've got a budget of about £2000 may go up or down depending, I'm obviously not expecting a minter, just a project to keep me busy throughout the summer. I'm Located in Hampshire but will obviously travel about for the right car.

Just as a heads up, this is the kind of condition I'm after. :)

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speaking of Model 70's

the twist grip I ordered for REV on the 28th, finally arrived LOL, think it just got stuck in that grey period between Christmas and new years

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im still not entirely sure if it will or will not fit REV's unusual throttle cable's skinny ferrule arrangement but ill give it a try!

from what I can work out, via google and a set of calliper, there are 3 sizes of throttle cable outer Ferrule size, 5.5Mm which I think is what REV's current bright green throttle cable is, then 6.35Mm aka 0.25 inch, which is what the new twist grip above measures out to be, and 8Mm which is what my other twist grip measures out to be, and REV's original knackered twist grip has 5.5Mm and 8Mm holes

also discovered the Model 70 throttle cable and twist grip I paid £40 is pretty much unusable, as the screws and nuts that hold the twist grip together have throughly rusted solid and the screw heads have turned to cheese otherwise, so I cant get the twist grip apart to fit it to the handle bars, let alone try and see if my new twist grip will fit the cable! I should not be surprised given where it came from, but its still irksome 

 

but speaking of REV, things are being discussed, and I was wondering, can anyone recommend any good options for having Her transported from where she is now in London to Worcester city? (and ideally back again once the work is done!)

I already have a couple people in mind, but I figured id best ask, incase anyone has any recommendations or does know of someone going that way with an empty trailer etc :) 

@bobdisk I understand you might have something on offer? not sure if London to Worcester is out of your catchment area so to speak!

 

 

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1 hour ago, LightBulbFun said:

the screws and nuts that hold the twist grip together have throughly rusted solid and the screw heads have turned to cheese

Are you staying with the re-routed green cable for now with a new twist grip? If so, when the time comes to want to fit the 'original' set you bought, it may be possible to  get the twist grip apart on the bench, with the aid of a pillar drill. The worst case there is that the 'original' twist grip gets broken in the process, in which case the cable can be extracted from its remains for use with a new twist grip.

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3 hours ago, Harriytait said:

Just as a heads up, this is the kind of condition I'm after. :)

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I went to see this one. Too much body damage. Where it was lifted with a fork lift through the left door. The mark on the roof is crack where it has split, and the line above the right wheel the fork lift had scraped through it.

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2 minutes ago, bobdisk said:

I went to see this one. Too much body damage. Where it was lifted with a fork lift through the left door. The mark on the roof is crack where it has split.

Wow I didn't know that, though I believe the gentleman has decided he no longer wants to sell it. 

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49 minutes ago, Mrs6C said:

Are you staying with the re-routed green cable for now with a new twist grip? If so, when the time comes to want to fit the 'original' set you bought, it may be possible to  get the twist grip apart on the bench, with the aid of a pillar drill. The worst case there is that the 'original' twist grip gets broken in the process, in which case the cable can be extracted from its remains for use with a new twist grip.

for the time being indeed I plan to stay with the green cable and see if I can fit with the new twist grip to it

but I did/do want make sure the blue cable was to hand for when/if I need to fit it, as you say hopefully I should in theory be able to drill out the screws to get the twist grip off :) (I do need to get myself a good set of drill bits but I digress!)

46 minutes ago, barefoot said:

I think you mean 'it'. I blame Walt fucking Disney for shit like this.

LOL, blame ships in this case! ships are referred to in the female pronoun and thats just how I refer to all vehicles! even ones with obviously male names I still find myself referring to them in the female pronoun LOL

for example "awesome to hear you got more work done on Brian im glad to hear work on her is going well" LOL (although I do generally try and correct myself in such cases)

and if I see someone obviously referring to their car as "it" then likewise thats how I will call it

but thats a personal thing, you can refer to your or any vehicle however you like, im not about to tell you how you should call your own vehicles :) 

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2 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

LOL, blame ships in this case! ships are referred to in the female pronoun and thats just how I refer to all vehicles! even ones with obviously male names I still find myself referring to them in the female pronoun LOL

for example "awesome to hear you got more work done on Brian im glad to hear work on her is going well" LOL (although I do generally try and correct myself in such cases)

and if I see someone obviously referring to their car as "it" then likewise thats how I will call it

but thats a personal thing, you can refer to your or any vehicle however you like, im not about to tell you how you should call your own vehicles :) 

This is classic, your trying to apply goodwill to all men logic to level 7 bants, to save you wearing out your keyboard with florid replies the best bet is to offer up a strong rebuke, here is a typical template 'I do WTF I want (within reason), my model 70 is called Bessy so fight me on the beach, I'll be oiled up as per Charles Bronson so good luck grabbing on etc.

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1 minute ago, Jikovron said:

This is classic, your trying to apply goodwill to all men logic to level 7 bants, to save you wearing out your keyboard with florid replies the best bet is to offer up a strong rebuke, here is a typical template 'I do WTF I want (within reason), my model 70 is called Bessy so fight me on the beach, I'll be oiled up as per Charles Bronson so good luck grabbing on etc.

Fuck off man, ya cock end. LBF will choke you out!

Go on Dez, lad! 👊🏻

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4 hours ago, Dyslexic Viking said:

Thought you might like this one that is for sale in Norway now.

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https://www.finn.no/mc/all/ad.html?finnkode=230440564

This is a French Monet Gyon invalid carriage these were built a lot for ww1 veterans and had Villers engines.

Nice! I mostly focus on British Invalid carriages, but iv seen a fair few foreign ones in my research, most are pretty ungainly looking but this one looks pretty good :) 

 

speaking of IC's in other countries, while digging through the hansard archives some more (a very handy archive that contains lot of interesting info on Invalid vehicles)

I came across a report which I find  very interesting and something that @Datsuncog may find interesting as well which is a report that gives a break down of all the Ministry invalid vehicles on issue in Northern Ireland from December1973 :)

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1973-12-20/debates/971cab65-5482-47db-9fc0-4f860843cb2d/InvalidVehicles

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its quite interesting to see the figures, and cool to see that a small number of Electric IC's where indeed issued in NI :)

theres no reason they would not be, but we knew that it was such a small "market" that we where not sure if there where any or not

I do still wonder if there where any Northern Ireland registered Fred Miller Tippen Delta's ie where any Electric Tippen Delta's issued to NI Post October 1974?

for those unaware, until the 1st of October 1974, all government  Invalid vehicles issued to NI where British registered, regardless of what went on with local governments and what have you, the Invalid vehicle Service was run as 1 big thing across NI Wales Scotland England 

(so a batch of cars would be for all countries across the entirety of the UK)

but on the 1st of October 1974 the DVLA replaced the Buff logbook scheme with the V5 computerised logbook  scheme, However NI did not do the same until 1986! so all Invalid vehicles bound for NI suddenly had to be registered separately locally in NI in Belfast  (they where sent over un-registered and only registered when issued, the Last Model 70 was not registered by the Ministry until April 1983! with CXI936!)

because you can take a Buff logbook and turn it into a V5 but you could not take a V5 and turn it into a buff logbook, (before that point both England and NI where on the same Buff logbook scheme so vehicles could go between places without having to re-register)

the thing is as above NI remained on the buff logbook scheme until finally computerising 1986! so for a Northern Ireland vehicle to be visible to me today  will need to have had to have survived until 1986 at the earliest which when talking about Electric Tippen Delta's especially given how few statically where issued to NI is a fairly long time to still survive by then

so I have sadly not been able to find any NI registered Ministry Tippen Delta's but I do wonder if there where any! the possibility for them to exist is there, since Electric Tippen Delta's remained in "production" until the very end of Ministry vehicle production in 1978

 

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4 hours ago, rickvw72 said:

On the subject of transport this should fit in a large van. I’ve had a corsa in an Iveco Faily, and a Suzuki Cappucino in a MWB VW LT before anyway. 

Yep...LWB Transit will carry one comfortably.

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Just make sure you have ramps on hand for loading... it's a right faff otherwise!

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5 hours ago, Zelandeth said:

Yep...LWB Transit will carry one comfortably.

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Just make sure you have ramps on hand for loading... it's a right faff otherwise!

It’s amazing to see how much TPA has come along, both geographically and cosmetically!

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25 minutes ago, kirton said:

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/169605-3-wheeled-vehicles-on-carflats/

who knows the answer to the questions raised here? 

Some will say bloody Invcars, you can't get away from them

Certainly there where many a 3 wheelers transported on carfit's! the Ministry's main method for transport invalid vehicles was by rail, so it was a common sight to see them transported by rail :) I dont know exactly how they where loaded however!

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6 minutes ago, barrett said:

Oh cool! I had not :) 

nice selection of photos

this one is particularly notable as in the background 

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is a built under licence Samuel Elliot Invacar Mk6 :) (note the FDPxxx Reading registration mark)

 

On 20/08/2021 at 19:46, LightBulbFun said:

well continuing the the theme of Licence built Invacars

I was talking with Stuart about the Vernon to which he closed out saying  "one needs to find a Samuel Elliot-produced one for full bonus points "

to which he further went to say "Samuel Elliot of Reading Berkshire" which then upon seeing they where based in Reading Berkshire

I went Ooooh hang on a tick and pulled these 2 screen grabs I have :) 

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which was a Curious Invacar I had spotted in one of the British pathe Invalid tricycle Association videos a good while ago

It caught my eye because it was of non Essex registration and did not have the winged Invacar badge on the back, back in the day I wondered if it Was a Vernon but the registration mark did not line up Vernon Industries location

so at the time I had just chalked it up to perhaps a Private machine

but is a Reading mark which does lineup with where Samuel Elliot Ltd where based, so this combined with the lack of an Invacar Badge strongly points to this being a Samuel Elliot Licence built Invacar Mk6 :) 

It was very fascinating to learn about, I knew of Samuel Elliot Ltd from the Padwin Prototype of 1951

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but I had no idea that they had also built Invacars under licence like Vernon did :) 

and Stuart was very happy with my finds as like the Vernon no previous pictures where known (and even less is known of the Samuel Invacars than the Vernon Invacars)

have to admit to feeling very pleased with myself over these 2 recent Major Invacar finds :)  

would love to know if anyone else out there might be able to shed some more light on these licence built Invacars?

 

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26 minutes ago, Yoss said:

You only need transport in one direction, surely you'll be driving it back! 

haha yeah! that idea was floated back when she was at the FoD :)  but I think im likely to have her transported back from wherever she has her work done*

given the limited driving experience I have, I would like to ideally gain a bit more driving experience before commencing such a trip

but I might be just self doubting myself, I mean I was pretty nervous before doing the trip to the chippy and back, but as I did It, everything came back to me and it was like "oh what was I worrying about" :) 

(until the indicator stalk fell off, that was a little hair raising as I was at a set of traffic lights grabbing ahold of the now lose stalk frantically trying to indicate right LOL)

but yeah, the current plan once she is fully functional is to do chippy runs and work my way up from there running around the local area and beyond until such that hopefully by the time of the first FoD gathering later this year I will be confident enough in myself and REV's reliability to attempt the trip to the FoD and back with REV (of course that depends on if I can even get REV fixed in time for the next FoD gathering!)

 

and then if the FoD run goes well, im pretty sure ill be confident enough in myself and REV that ill be able to go anywhere :) 

which is good, because I have accrued a number of lightbulbs and tubes with various shitters that I really need and want to go and pick up!

(the other issue with driving her back, is id have to get myself to where it is she is being fixed at, and I really dont get on well with public transport especially to relatively unknown places)

 

*unless of course I do end up having her fixed at a local garage in which case of course I have no problem with driving her back home! the above is only with regards to if I have her fixed at red5 or somewhere else distant

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