What makes you grin? Antidote to grumpy thread

[LightBulbFun]

Well you have me beat with the old toshiba laptop there (the Oldest computer I can currently hook up to the internet would be one of my 1996/7 PowerBook 3400s running Mac OS 7.6 or so)

 

that is until I get my Macintosh SE hooked up to the internet somehow   (I need to order me an 8 pin DIN RS422 crossover cable...)

[beko1987]

Www.vacuumland.org renders spot on in whatever version of ie comes with windows 98 (not se). That amazed me! Autoshite.com failed to load though...

[1970mgb]

Well you have me beat with the old toshiba laptop there (the Oldest computer I can currently hook up to the internet would be one of my 1996/7 PowerBook 3400s running Mac OS 7.6 or so)

 

that is until I get my Macintosh SE hooked up to the internet somehow   (I need to order me an 8 pin DIN RS422 crossover cable...)

 

What about your PM 4400?

 

I'll give my 7100 a shot if I ever get 8.6 installed(and I'm sure I'll need your help on that) so that I can run Classilla. It's a shame my 7200 won't boot, as that would make life a whole lot easier. At least the 7100 does have ethernet(via AAUI) installed.

 

One other potential project for me would be the Mac II-I have a pile of NuBus ethernet cards, so it would be a matter of finding extensions and of course figuring out which browser will run on OS 7.6 and actually do a decent job of rendering pages.

[iainrcz]

Banning some spamming cunt on the RCZ forum 1 minute after joining and digging a 3 year old thread up to link their shitty website.

 

Turbo mod to the rescue.

 

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[LightBulbFun]

What about your PM 4400?

 

I'll give my 7100 a shot if I ever get 8.6 installed(and I'm sure I'll need your help on that) so that I can run Classilla. It's a shame my 7200 won't boot, as that would make life a whole lot easier. At least the 7100 does have ethernet(via AAUI) installed.

 

One other potential project for me would be the Mac II-I have a pile of NuBus ethernet cards, so it would be a matter of finding extensions and of course figuring out which browser will run on OS 7.6 and actually do a decent job of rendering pages.

 

 

The PowerMac 4400 is currently awaiting a new CPU... (Yes I know the 4400 uses a BGA CPU no that has not stopped me )

 

before I broke it tho I did have it online on a few occasions  but its from 1996 so still newer then Zel,s Toshiba

[Zelandeth]

Biggest headache I reckon going much earlier than that (1993 I think for that machine) is going to be memory, assuming you're going for something that will actually render most of the page not text only, will be memory.

 

That Toshiba has 8Mb onboard and was still churning away furiously while trying to put the page together - it's a complex bit of rendering by the standards of the time.

 

Don't think my Amiga is really a fair comparison as despite being nearly concurrent in terms of build dates, that's got a 50MHz 68030 accelerator backed by by 64 meg of memory - so isn't really a fair test!

 

I have played around with web pages on the Acorn machines, and even an A3000 with 1 meg did astonishingly well...though that was always the thing with the RISC machines, they punched massively above their weight in terms of horsepower if you were just looking at memory numbers and clock speeds. You want to see what you could do with a fully specced up RiscPC compared to a Windows PC - and being honest - or a Mac of the time.

 

Yes, a decent RiscPC (well...any at this point!) is high on my wish list.

 

Will definitely need to get the Amiga hooked back up before you're next up here though. It's just not right that you've not had a chance to test drive one, given your fondness of Apple machines sharing the same processor architecture.

 

Workbench is...I guess the best description is "messy but powerful" to be honest. It's very much it's own thing. Not quite so alien as RiscOS though, which just took the whole rule book and tossed it into the nearest paper shredder...yet in doing so came up with possibly one of the most functionally (if not always visually - it benefits greatly from a higher display resolution) elegant user interfaces I've ever had the pleasure to use.

[LightBulbFun]

well my Macintosh SE has 2.5MB of which its current OS IIRC is Mac OS 7.5.3, which takes up 2.5MB of that so i literally wont have anything left for a web browser let alone loading any web pages 

 

a downgrade to System 6.0.8 might be in order (that or stop being cheap and max it out at a whopping 4MB of RAM...) 68000 CPU so no MMU which means I cant cheat and use an alternate OS either

 

(I would love to get a Macintosh SE/30 Logic-board for my SE... since the 68030 lets me run Linux and other Unix OSs like AU/X plus you can max an SE/30 out at something silly like 128MB of RAM which for a compact macintosh is pretty nuts   )

 

defiantly looking forward to playing with an amiga for the first time also if im reading your posts correctly you have an Acorn machine or 2? that would be fun to have a bash at IIRC the Raspberry pi ran some form of RISC OS which I played with in 2014 or so but thats about it (I do have a Pi so could always chuck it back on there...)

[SiC]

It's amazing how well 3D printing technology has progressed.

[eddyramrod]

Er, what?

[Exiled_Tat_Gatherer]

Liked for the crappy music to go with it too...........

[Cheggers]

In Dublin with Ms_Chegg getting ready to head off for 2 weeks of horse riding, mountain biking, rafting & kayaking in the Colorado Rockies

[Parky]

Wife’s car needs a service. I live roughly equidistant between Romford and Southend so rather than just go to Romford as per usual, i thought I would try the Southend Fiat dealer.

 

Romford price - £259 but that includes a video of the cars engine bay (what the actual fuck?)

 

Southend price - £105. No video but I do get it washed and hoovered.

 

Considering the third service is just an oil change (have to use the dealer because of pcp) I think a day at the seaside is in order!

[Cavcraft]

In Dublin with Ms_Chegg getting ready to head off for 2 weeks of horse riding, mountain biking, rafting & kayaking in the Colorado Rockies

 

You'll need a bloody good horse to ride you to the Colorado Rockies from Dublin.

 

 

 

Meanwhile

 

[1970mgb]

a downgrade to System 6.0.8 might be in order (that or stop being cheap and max it out at a whopping 4MB of RAM...) 68000 CPU so no MMU which means I cant cheat and use an alternate OS either

 

 

I know you and I have "argued" about it some, but I REALLY don't like going past System 6 on a 68000. System 7 is way too bloated for my taste, and I want at least a 68020 and ~8mb of RAM to run it.

 

Even my Quadra 700 with 20mb of RAM is a bit of a pig on System 7.5.5. I'm constantly running out of memory on it. Of course, it has a lot of "bloat" from the fact that I don't think it's ever had a clean install. I had to do a lot of clean-up when I first got it just to get a decent amount of virtual memory on it.

 

I'm kind of sorry that I've never really gone "nuts" with 16mb 30-pin SIMMs the way I did with the 128mb EDO sticks a while back. That would get me up to 68mb in the 700, which should be a lot.

 

Meanwhile, I'm not sure if there's much of ANYTHING I could do to fill up the 1.5gb of RAM in my 9600. Running Tiger on it might have come close, but then it was also difficult to load Activity Monitor to actually see.

[bramz7]

164 insurance now switched to the incoming 156 with FJ...somehow a 2001 car is a classic, fair enough.

 

I'm quite excited to drive this.

[Zelandeth]

Finally unearthed it's desk long enough to get this set up again.

 

 

It got moved a couple of months ago when I decided to give the case and keyboard a proper deep clean as they were gross.

 

In the intervening couple of days, the desk got buried.

 

You guys who are into your vintage Mac stuff, you don't need any 100Mb Zip discs do you? I know Apple pushed the format quite heavily, and I've got probably a few hundred of the things! I do use them, but don't need anywhere close to as big a stock as I have.

[Floatylight]

This just made me grin, someone call the H&S Executive!

 

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[LightBulbFun]

Finally unearthed it's desk long enough to get this set up again.

 

IMG_20180907_155845.jpg

 

It got moved a couple of months ago when I decided to give the case and keyboard a proper deep clean as they were gross.

 

In the intervening couple of days, the desk got buried.

 

You guys who are into your vintage Mac stuff, you don't need any 100Mb Zip discs do you? I know Apple pushed the format quite heavily, and I've got probably a few hundred of the things! I do use them, but don't need anywhere close to as big a stock as I have.

 

its an old computer so of course its running some sort of Solitaire 

 

that Acorn monitor looks suspiciously like an old IBM PS/2 Monitor...

 

defo looking forward to playing with that setup tho as for the ZIP disks ill be happy to take a couple off your hands (my mum used to use em with her PC back in the day when the broken floppy drive on the PC was an actual problem... so theres a few kicking round the house but they still need to be gone over and the data on them sorted or formatted etc luckily for my mum, as you say, I have a macintosh with a ZIP 100 Drive ready to go, a PowerMac G3 Beige Tower to be exact)

[Zelandeth]

No solitaire here!  Just the file browser in Workbench.  Here's a closer look.

 

 

Seriously need to get a Scandoubler...taking photos of a CRT is a pain!

 

The monitor is a Microvetec multisync one which I've seen branded Acorn, Amiga and Atari - they're all the same internally, just differing in the cable plugged into the signal processing board and the badge.

 

Plan is eventually to swap the electronics from this one across to the Amiga one I've got which has a better case and far lower hour tube, as this one has a lot of miles on it and is both dim and has poor focus.  The actual Amiga one unfortunately has a fault resulting in no red in the image... it's buried sufficiently deep in the signal processing board that it's defied all efforts to repair so far.  Hence my plan to do some board swapping at some point.

[Pillock]

Any chance I could nab a few ZIP disks? I had some somewhere but they've gorn missing which is a shame as I'll have my Amiga SCSI'ed soon and fancy another drive

 

And I'm as guilty as anyone here but just a shout-out for the techy thread which is probably the best home for this chat so we don't confuse any of the non-geeks...

[Zelandeth]

Any chance I could nab a few ZIP disks? I had some somewhere but they've gorn missing which is a shame as I'll have my Amiga SCSI'ed soon and fancy another drive

And I'm as guilty as anyone here but just a shout-out for the techy thread which is probably the best home for this chat so we don't confuse any of the non-geeks...

There's a techy thread?

 

You can have as many Zip discs as you want pretty much...

 

 

These are just the handful I've dug out, securely formatted and subject to a full data write and re-wipe, and documented ready to be passed on.

 

They were used by my old work to transfer concessionary travel passenger numbers to the council, and once that was done and the data was input they just sat in a filing cabinet until they were going to bin them. I've got at least three times as many as that to hand, and another holdall full of them in the garage.

[Pillock]

Yeah, open forum has both techy thread and computershite.

[Zelandeth]

Have to admit to having looked in there a couple of times and given the speed at which the topic list changed because everything is in one big list just found I couldn't ever find anything again so rarely went near it again. Granted, that's probably more my fault than the forum though.

 

Might have to give it another shot at some point.

[Fumbler]

No solitaire here!  Just the file browser in Workbench.  Here's a closer look.

 

IMG_20180907_173134.jpg

 

Seriously need to get a Scandoubler...taking photos of a CRT is a pain!

 

The monitor is a Microvetec multisync one which I've seen branded Acorn, Amiga and Atari - they're all the same internally, just differing in the cable plugged into the signal processing board and the badge.

 

Plan is eventually to swap the electronics from this one across to the Amiga one I've got which has a better case and far lower hour tube, as this one has a lot of miles on it and is both dim and has poor focus.  The actual Amiga one unfortunately has a fault resulting in no red in the image... it's buried sufficiently deep in the signal processing board that it's defied all efforts to repair so far.  Hence my plan to do some board swapping at some point.

Workbench! That's put a grin on my face. If only I had actual programs for my Amiga and not just Workbench and duplicates.

[Zelandeth]

Workbench! That's put a grin on my face. If only I had actual programs for my Amiga and not just Workbench and duplicates.

Go have a dig around on Aminet and the web in general, there's a lot of abandonware available these days.

 

Annoyingly two programs I've not been able to find are FinalWriter and Wordworth 5. Both of which I originally paid for, but no longer have the keys for. FinalWriter I did find...but it's a German install which is less than entirely helpful!

[1970mgb]

I'm constantly telling Dez that he needs to stock up on them

 

To be fair, I needed to get some stuff on a Win2K computer not too long ago, and ended up connecting a USB ZIP drive to my MBP and using the internal ZIP drive on the PII computer I was using.

 

Still, they're a great "sneaker net" medium for Macs. A lot of beige PPC boxes along with G4 towers had internal ones, plus my external SCSI one should THEORETICALLY work all the way back to a Mac Plus and USB externals still work under macOS Mojave.

 

With that said, I just Appletalk a lot of stuff these days when I need to get it onto older computers, as it saves me having to dig out and load the ZIP extensions to make an external SCSI drive work. I don't think they became plug and play until maybe OS 7.6 or so-system software before that needed extensions. Appletalk is quick and dirty, and the wired version works with any back to like System 3 or something crazy early(I don't think you can do it on a 128K at all, which would preclude doing it in System .95). You can also amaze people when you do "wireless" Appletalk transfers between old PowerBooks via IrDA.

[Pillock]

 

 

Annoyingly two programs I've not been able to find are FinalWriter and Wordworth 5.

Literally at my feet as I type this... Final Copy 2 was the the version before Final Writer I think.

[Fumbler]

Must. Teleport. Instantaneously.

[Zelandeth]

Literally at my feet as I type this... Final Copy 2 was the the version before Final Writer I think.

 

Only on this car forum could someone have those on hand literally minutes after it was mentioned!

[LightBulbFun]

There's a techy thread?

 

You can have as many Zip discs as you want pretty much...

 

IMG_20180907_175515.jpg

 

These are just the handful I've dug out, securely formatted and subject to a full data write and re-wipe, and documented ready to be passed on.

 

They were used by my old work to transfer concessionary travel passenger numbers to the council, and once that was done and the data was input they just sat in a filing cabinet until they were going to bin them. I've got at least three times as many as that to hand, and another holdall full of them in the garage.

 

I was having another look at the Leaning tower of Zip disks when I happened to notice the tetris stack in the background

 

I shit ye not I have the exact same set...

 

 

heres a photo for proof (I have all the other peices too IIRC and yes I suck at tetris...) these actually light up well supposed to but like all things electrical on this forum its very touch and go... (theres a master block you plug into the wall that provides power)