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Parky Rank: Isuzu Florian

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One of our members (I think) has reported this racket to eBay on Twitter and a lady from eBay called Sarah is going to refer it to their specialised team. Apparently. Whether that does anything who knows.

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sierraman Rank: Matra Rancho towing a Tagora

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Its a poor advertisement for the business that its providing a cove for people to blatantly offer others an opportunity to commit fraud and deception.

Parky Rank: Isuzu Florian

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I hated seeing that Mini get squished but probably not much else the yanks could have done. It was obviously dubious

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Parky Rank: Isuzu Florian

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Some of the listings also say "tax exempt" which is good as when buying V5's as memorabilia I prefer to have exempt papers framed on my wall!

catsinthewelder Rank: Lancia Gamma

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I wonder if the Yank crushing squad make any attempt to identify the stolen mini's and Land Rovers before crushing them?  If they were bought legally with the aim of fraudulently importing them then fine but if it's someones missing pride and joy then bill the importer to export it back to it's owner.  It would be an interesting lesson in irony for a country that doesn't understand it.

 

Perhaps HPi might be interested in logging the memorabilia V5's.

DSdriver Rank: Lancia Gamma

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The bloke talking about the Land Rover made my blood boil. You are not crushing it because it is dangerous, you are crushing it because this is the only way you can force Americans to buy their own shoddy goods. Protectionism at its worst. /rant

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Parky Rank: Isuzu Florian

Parky

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Talk about mix and match Mini!

 

Internal hinges, basic dash, later rear lights, 10" wheels, 1969 reg....

 

What do we reckon? Early 80's Mini City?

RoadworkUK Rank: Lancia Gamma

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One of our members (I think) has reported this racket to eBay on Twitter and a lady from eBay called Sarah is going to refer it to their specialised team. Apparently. Whether that does anything who knows.

 

That was me. I've not DM'ed her yet - she asked for the item number when I was out and about. I instead suggested she look at their lists for 'V5 Memorabilia' and check any one of the results.

 

I have heard nothing back.

Parky Rank: Isuzu Florian

Parky

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I saw the response. To be honest it took us about two seconds to locate a shitload of dodgy stuff but I'm not so sure eBay would know what they are looking for. Certainly no attempts have been made to remove anything

 

Dominic Littlewoods probably a bit bored at the moment, he'd probably enjoy a bit of investigating. Mind you if one of the dodgy characters is Frankie from Scrappers-Cars for Cash, I don't think the fabric of the universe could withstand those two coming together.

RoadworkUK Rank: Lancia Gamma

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Ah well. I've now sent as clearly worded a direct message as I can muster, citing various examples. Who knows if I'll get a response.

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Until someone puts one of those VIN's and reg numbers on another car though has a crime been committed?

 

So all anyone can do is record the dodgy VIN's and auctions ( all the better if they have the VRM too) and then keep an eye out for it suddenly becoming MOT;d and taxed again - then maybe tip Plod off that there is probably a ringer out there.

RoadworkUK Rank: Lancia Gamma

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Until someone puts one of those VIN's and reg numbers on another car though has a crime been committed?

 

 

You're right, no crime has been committed, but it's arguably being accommodated, and eBay is certainly profiting.

 

If you try to report a listing, you can choose "Illegal items and items encouraging illegal activity".

 

Lock-picking devices are among the prohibited items, for obvious reasons. The same really ought to go for the sale of paperwork that enables vehicle fraud.

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Dave_Q Rank: Matra Rancho towing a Tagora

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Apologies for the Daily Mail link...

 

I wonder what the full story was here?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5329921/Man-sues-DVLA-150-000-sports-car-logbook-change.html

 

Probably built from a selection of old and new parts and an ebay special logbook, maybe some bellends off an internet forum flagged it as dodgy to the DVLA and they decided to go look at it the next time it appeared on road.

 

The builder has probably still got their £250,000 tho. :-/

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Datsuncog Rank: Talbot Tagora

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Until someone puts one of those VIN's and reg numbers on another car though has a crime been committed?

I'm not sure if it counts as yer actual crime, but a vehicle's V5C document remains the property of the DVLA, as issuing body, at all times. It belongs with the corresponding car, not the owner. If the car doesn't exist anymore (through scrapping or total loss) the V5C must be returned to the issuing authority - not retained, and definitely not sold to someone else. Other government-issued documents, like birth certificates and passports, can't legally be bought, sold or transferred - so I can't see why these would be any different.

 

I know a few folks who used to work in vehicle licensing before Northern Ireland's DVLNI was absorbed into Swansea, so I might see what their view on all this might be.

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"And, while he had no wish to sell his dream machine, the cost of re-taxing it in line with its new status finally forced him to give it up, he explained"

 

So he could afford a car of that value but then sold it because it lost its free tax?!

 

Apologies for the Daily Mail link...

 

I wonder what the full story was here?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5329921/Man-sues-DVLA-150-000-sports-car-logbook-change.html

sierraman Rank: Matra Rancho towing a Tagora

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I saw the response. To be honest it took us about two seconds to locate a shitload of dodgy stuff but I'm not so sure eBay would know what they are looking for. Certainly no attempts have been made to remove anything

 

Dominic Littlewoods probably a bit bored at the moment, he'd probably enjoy a bit of investigating. Mind you if one of the dodgy characters is Frankie from Scrappers-Cars for Cash, I don't think the fabric of the universe could withstand those two coming together.

That Frankie cannot be an actual scrap man, he's far too personable.

Dave_Q Rank: Matra Rancho towing a Tagora

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"And, while he had no wish to sell his dream machine, the cost of re-taxing it in line with its new status finally forced him to give it up, he explained"

 

So he could afford a car of that value but then sold it because it lost its free tax?!

 

I think it's probably more to do with it not being eligible for Elitist Twat Motorsport than the £230 a year or whatever to da man.

Parky Rank: Isuzu Florian

Parky

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gathering intel is an interesting thing ... 

ironically   moody V5s could be just the thing to allow Plod/ DVSA / HMRC and the  three ring circus  into somewhere they suspect / know is moody but  haven;t got  the proof  for a warrant  etc ...

 

This is very true. Al Capone didn't get imprisoned for the extortion, smuggling, or murder, but rather not paying tax on his ill gotten gains!

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