HMC architecte britannique

[HMC]

43 minutes ago, Asimo said:

Lovely picture. How much better would the car look without the paranoia glass…

Agreed! im aiming to remove those at some stage, as im too boring to warrant the need for them, most of the time anyway 😂

[HMC]

@LightBulbFun thanks, thats some great extra info!

I may try a v888 but in the why i need the info box unsure if theres a level beyond which access is granted?

[lesapandre]

1 hour ago, LightBulbFun said:

looks like it had its colour change to white, on the 20th of the 11th 1988, previously to that it was Silver! what it was before then I sadly dont know

its had its fair number of keepers! amazingly no previous private plates however which I am not sure I believe really, surely being a rolls i'd of expected it to have had a number of private plates!

tho that being said DBU278K is a completely period Oldham registration mark, so its not an age related plate or anything like that. and Oldham will be where it was first registered, if that helps give you a starting point

 

V888's can be still be done but last I saw one done, a few years ago, thanks to GDPR they where quite nerfed, and only gave you a partial address of every previous keeper, mainly just the general town they resided in etc (plus any extra info you request like colour or plate changes)

which is still better than nothing mind!

 

tis nice old thing the Shadow is pretty much the last Rolls Royce I consider a "proper" rolls if that makes sense, so its always nice to see one   and glad to hear its been saved from meeting its demise

im sure the later ones from before BMW took over are probably still decent in that regard also, but I have never gelled with their styling

 

 

@LightBulbFun are these all actual 'change of keeper' or would it also have been when the 'address' of the 'keeper' changed - it registered? That might explain the 20?

If it was a company vehicle at some time in its life it could also have been swapped between keepers within a company? 

That may have been in two ways - either in the early days after it was first sold (it's likely to have been owned by some well off northern industrialist or company) or later when it entered the wedding trade - which probably explains the colour change.

Regards the V888 @HMC - The Rolls Royce Enthusiasts Club may be able to help. 

Rippon Bros were proper coachbuilders who closed in 1969 - being taken over to become Appleyard Rippon - who were car dealers.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/lifestyle/gallery-yesterdays-takes-look-famous-4941339

Jonathan Wood wrote a book about them:

https://speedreaders.info/10052-rippon-brosa-coachbuilder-renown/

My hunch would be that the company records survive somewhere so it may be possible to find out more about the car. The RREC will be able to help there too. 

Appleyard Rippon are still registered at Company's House - but it may just be the same name being used not the original company.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12081443

[DeanH]

19 minutes ago, lesapandre said:

@LightBulbFun are these all actual 'change of keeper' or would it also have been when the 'address' of the 'keeper' changed - it registered? That might explain the 20?

If it was a company vehicle at some time in its life it could also have been swapped between keepers within a company? 

That may have been in two ways - either in the early days after it was first sold (it's likely to have been owned by some well off northern industrialist or company) or later when it entered the wedding trade - which probably explains the colour change.

Regards the V888 @HMC - The Rolls Royce Enthusiasts Club may be able to help. 

Rippon Bros were proper coachbuilders who closed in 1969 - being taken over to become Appleyard Rippon - who were car dealers.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/lifestyle/gallery-yesterdays-takes-look-famous-4941339

Jonathan Wood wrote a book about them:

https://speedreaders.info/10052-rippon-brosa-coachbuilder-renown/

My hunch would be that the company records survive somewhere so it may be possible to find out more about the car. The RREC will be able to help there too. 

Appleyard Rippon are still registered at Company's House - but it may just be the same name being used not the original company.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12081443

Interesting, there's still a (Colin) Appleyard dealer in the West Yorkshire area, with a branch in Huddersfield. I wonder whether there's a link there.

[richardmorris]

2 hours ago, Schaefft said:

Sorry for going offtopic but which website provides an owner overview like this?

@LightBulbFun is basically Q from James Bond.

[artdjones]

1 hour ago, lesapandre said:

@LightBulbFun are these all actual 'change of keeper' or would it also have been when the 'address' of the 'keeper' changed - it registered? That might explain the 20?

If it was a company vehicle at some time in its life it could also have been swapped between keepers within a company? 

That may have been in two ways - either in the early days after it was first sold (it's likely to have been owned by some well off northern industrialist or company) or later when it entered the wedding trade - which probably explains the colour change.

Regards the V888 @HMC - The Rolls Royce Enthusiasts Club may be able to help. 

Rippon Bros were proper coachbuilders who closed in 1969 - being taken over to become Appleyard Rippon - who were car dealers.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/lifestyle/gallery-yesterdays-takes-look-famous-4941339

Jonathan Wood wrote a book about them:

https://speedreaders.info/10052-rippon-brosa-coachbuilder-renown/

My hunch would be that the company records survive somewhere so it may be possible to find out more about the car. The RREC will be able to help there too. 

Appleyard Rippon are still registered at Company's House - but it may just be the same name being used not the original company.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12081443

This is a Rolls 20/25 with a Rippon body, supposedly built in1929, although the styling looks maybe 4 or 5 years newer to me.

[richardmorris]

54 minutes ago, artdjones said:

This is a Rolls 20/25 with a Rippon body, supposedly built in1929, although the styling looks maybe 4 or 5 years newer to me.

Looks more Riley esque to me.

[lesapandre]

A quick search on the history online has bought up this information on DBU278K :

https://www.drivearchive.co.uk/vehicledetails.php?CarID=99966

[lesapandre]

On 05/01/2024 at 14:13, grogee said:

Who the fuck was buying Rolls Royces in Huddersfield (apart from Sir Jimmy Savile of course)? 

You are now Tavistock's enemy no. 1 @HMC. They won't know what to do with themselves when they see that. Probably curtsy and wet themselves simultaneously 

Often rich cloth producers and merchants. The industry was huge up until the early 1970's.

"By 1961, there were 284 registered mills in the area known of 'Kirklees', 95 of which were in Huddersfield town centre. By this time, West Yorkshire had 168,000 textile workers."

"It is believed, in the 1940s, Huddersfield had more Rolls-Royce owners per capita than anywhere else in England, displaying the wealth of the mill owners at the time"

Source:

https://www.englishcloth.com/journal/history-of-textiles-in-huddersfield/

[wuvvum]

2 hours ago, artdjones said:

This is a Rolls 20/25 with a Rippon body, supposedly built in1929, although the styling looks maybe 4 or 5 years newer to me.

That body looks late '30s to me - definitely more modern than Six-cylinder's one.  It's got an MG WA / Jaguar SS sort of look to it.

[DodgeRover]

3 hours ago, DeanH said:

Interesting, there's still a (Colin) Appleyard dealer in the West Yorkshire area, with a branch in Huddersfield. I wonder whether there's a link there.

Colin Appleyard did motorcycles, not sure about cars

[DodgeRover]

5 hours ago, HMC said:

@LightBulbFun thanks, thats some great extra info!

I may try a v888 but in the why i need the info box unsure if theres a level beyond which access is granted?

You want to ensure it hadn't had an owner featured in operation yewtree.

[Surface Rust]

8 hours ago, lesapandre said:

A quick search on the history online has bought up this information on DBU278K :

https://www.drivearchive.co.uk/vehicledetails.php?CarID=99966

It was looking pretty sorry for itself in 2022. 

I'd rock the bare steels look myself whilst wafting around in a cloud of burnt oil and cigar smoke.

 

[artdjones]

11 hours ago, wuvvum said:

That body looks late '30s to me - definitely more modern than Six-cylinder's one.  It's got an MG WA / Jaguar SS sort of look to it.

It could have been rebodied. Maybe the original got severely damaged, or maybe was very dated by the mid to late 30s. There are a number of 1920s 20hp cars around with much newer looking bodies.

Edit:- Looking at other Rippon bodies, it looks like the body is 1934 or 35. You can't see from the pic above, but the boot, while fairly streamlined, is not fully integrated into the main shell which became more of a thing from 1936 on .

[HMC]

followed a little trail found by @lesapandre

 

[HMC]

Works car park

 

By coincidence i bumped into the partner of the editor of Classic Retro Modern this morning so showed her what i turned up in. A faded stately  home on wheels basically.

[Schaefft]

38 minutes ago, HMC said:

Works car park

 

By coincidence i bumped into the partner of the editor of Classic Retro Modern this morning so showed her what i turned up in. A faded stately  home on wheels basically.

It's the contrast between everyday blandness and the shod you bring to work that makes each purchase feel even more special, to me anyway. Just makes their character stand out so much more, and makes me wonder how much more interesting the automotive landscape could be in the UK if just 1% of the driving population would do the same and choose this over convenience.

[HMC]

Out in the rolls getting a curry. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Next up a mc drive thru? 

Ive ordered all the data for the car that the RREC holds. Invoice, warranty card, build sheet, road test report and a heritage cert.

Not cheap, but im hoping for a celebrity first owner,  or some obscure shell organisation although most likely a northern “business man” of some sort.

[artdjones]

6 minutes ago, HMC said:

a northern “business man” of some sort

It's an Oldham plate.

[HMC]

22 minutes ago, HMC said:

Out in the rolls getting a curry. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Next up a mc drive thru? 

Ive ordered all the data for the car that the RREC holds. Invoice, warranty card, build sheet, road test report and a heritage cert.

Not cheap, but im hoping for a celebrity first owner,  or some obscure shell organisation although most likely a northern “business man” of some sort.

OTT but I feel this car is half way between life and death. It was almost banger raced, its got a non original interior and paint and no history, and the parts fetch a fair bit - im just giving it a bit of a send off most probably. But is it giving me a send off? untimately we are all condemned to the scrap pile.

#seize the day

[Zelandeth]

Not sure really.  Most of the Big Scary with these is the eye watering costs of brake and suspension work so often needed if they've been sitting around, which makes them very expensive to recommission.  However someone has already done that...likewise trim, interior and exterior is sodding expensive.

So long as nothing goes badly awry with it and it stays in the hands of a sympathetic owner who knows what they're letting themselves in for, and it's not rotten (which as someone has already done that much work to it, I'd assume it's not or they would have already bailed) there's no reason it can't live on.  Yes it's probably worth more as a pile of parts, but that's true if plenty of classic cars to be honest.

If it weren't for being vastly over committed here already I'd probably be getting an itchy finger asking to add myself to the queue as a Roller has always been on my list - albeit a slightly later one (I've spent many happy miles wafting around in a friend's mid 80s Silver Spirit) than this, but I'd definitely not turn it down because of details like that!

[Hertz]

50 minutes ago, HMC said:

Out in the rolls getting a curry. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Next up a mc drive thru? 

Ive ordered all the data for the car that the RREC holds. Invoice, warranty card, build sheet, road test report and a heritage cert.

Not cheap, but im hoping for a celebrity first owner,  or some obscure shell organisation although most likely a northern “business man” of some sort.

 

[hairnet]

ffs - least it wasnt that other herbert

ya think it might fit in the drive thru - bit wide - some of them can be a bit pinching

 

[Zelandeth]

40 minutes ago, hairnet said:

ffs - least it wasnt that other herbert

ya think it might fit in the drive thru - bit wide - some of them can be a bit pinching

 

I managed to thread Craig's Silver Spirit through the KFC drive through in Aberdeen so should fit just fine!  Don't think they're even massively wide compared to a lot of moderns, just bloody long more than anything!

[N Dentressangle]

And right on cue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBjxeVT8xSg

[horriblemercedes]

14 hours ago, Zelandeth said:

Not sure really.  Most of the Big Scary with these is the eye watering costs of brake and suspension work so often needed if they've been sitting around, which makes them very expensive to recommission.  However someone has already done that...likewise trim, interior and exterior is sodding expensive.

So long as nothing goes badly awry with it and it stays in the hands of a sympathetic owner who knows what they're letting themselves in for, and it's not rotten (which as someone has already done that much work to it, I'd assume it's not or they would have already bailed) there's no reason it can't live on.  Yes it's probably worth more as a pile of parts, but that's true if plenty of classic cars to be honest.

If it weren't for being vastly over committed here already I'd probably be getting an itchy finger asking to add myself to the queue as a Roller has always been on my list - albeit a slightly later one (I've spent many happy miles wafting around in a friend's mid 80s Silver Spirit) than this, but I'd definitely not turn it down because of details like that!

Agreed - This doesn't seem like a scrapper. It has working brakes and suspension - that's far more important than originality

Shads are becoming more desirable. I think this one has life in it

[HMC]

Could  be my imagination but this is getting better with use, the brake pedal feels more positive and its starting instantly. The handbrake has stopped working but the mechanism is free and in good order, but the forward cable to the pull has snapped- so an easy fix.

[cort16]

8 hours ago, N Dentressangle said:

And right on cue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBjxeVT8xSg

I watched this, it was absolutely shite. It was just full them waffling on about nothing .

It went from them having to hotwire the starter solenoid to it it starting off the key because the changed the fuel pump with nothing in between. 

[timolloyd]

Loving the Shadow. Always makes me think of Charlie Hungerford.

[flat4alfa]

Makes me think more of Charlie Higson🙂