All Vauxhalls R Shit - They really are... Game over.

[egg]

It's a reminder to me that l must get on a find safe garage space for my pride and joy.

[sierraman]

What a pair of c**ts! Trouble is the police don't have enough clout. If they were allowed to mete out a severe summary beating to people like this it would nip a lot of it in the bud.

 

I'd imagine the sentence will be along the lines of an 18 month sentance, which they will likely serve 6-9 months. At least you can take solace from what comes around goes around. Are they known locally then?

[trigger]

Yes, very well known. They have spent most their lifes in prison and apparently it's probably the reason my car got took, one only got out last week and it's thought wanted back in again. My mate said over one night years ago 10 Ford Escorts got stolen in one village and stripped down and it was these twats. Seems while they are out of prison no ones safe.

[Felly Magic]

Institutionalised, sad, and pathetic. 3 meals a day, board and lodgings, it's a cushty life for them. Prisons should be a punishment, but they rarely are. These 2 clowns need a right good bumrape in the showers every day

[wuvvum]

What, you mean we should keach kids fairy stories instead of the actual truth? Hm.

I think you're missing the point a bit.  The sad fact is that society as a whole has become completely amoral, in the sense that there's no absolute sense of right and wrong - morality these days basically boils down to "if you're OK with it, do it".  Fortunately the large majority of people have enough of an inbuilt moral compass that they manage to refrain from being utter cunts without any external input, but there are a significant minority of people who don't.  'Twas ever thus, but in the past there was much more of a society-wide sense of right and wrong and, more to the point, giving a fuck about other people and their property, which helped to keep all but the most hardcore scrotes on the straight and narrow.  I think we need that back.  It doesn't necessarily have to come directly from religion - it hasn't always - but it needs to come from somewhere.  Moral relativism is a slippery slope that we're sliding down far too quickly for my liking.

 

I don't know if any of that makes sense - I'm quite tired.

[Junkman]

There is nothing to stop you taking them to a civil court, ie small claims court, for recovery of damages. This could include costs of temporary transport, and replacement cost of Val Doonican tape.

Perhaps start with a letter before action, demanding payment within 7 days of £3500, followed by initiating action in the small claims court, for a claim of £4500.

 

Failure to attend court (because I don't think they would) results in CCJ, which allows you to initiate the Court baliffs, to go and hassle them.

 

In Austria, we call this trying to grab into the pocket of a naked man.

 

Those guys don't have anything and neither a court nor a bailiff can change that.

[John F]

wuvvum, on 31 Jul 2016 - 10:32 PM, said:

I think you're missing the point a bit.  The sad fact is that society as a whole has become completely amoral, in the sense that there's no absolute sense of right and wrong - morality these days basically boils down to "if you're OK with it, do it".  Fortunately the large majority of people have enough of an inbuilt moral compass that they manage to refrain from being utter cunts without any external input, but there are a significant minority of people who don't.  'Twas ever thus, but in the past there was much more of a society-wide sense of right and wrong and, more to the point, giving a fuck about other people and their property, which helped to keep all but the most hardcore scrotes on the straight and narrow.  I think we need that back.  It doesn't necessarily have to come directly from religion - it hasn't always - but it needs to come from somewhere.  Moral relativism is a slippery slope that we're sliding down far too quickly for my liking.

 

I don't know if any of that makes sense - I'm quite tired.

 

No, I don't think I missed the point.

 

I quite agree that morality and an inherent sense of social responsibility are on the decline, and there are loads of possible reasons for that. And yes, we definitely need a return to a more morals-driven society.

 

The point I wanted to make was that it's irresponsible to stop teaching verifiable facts in favour of unverifiable stories. Especially when different scriptures teach different attitudes towards morality, and invariably include a whole load of horrific stuff that is undeniably far from moral in the modern sense.

 

Anyway, this isn't a topic for this part of the forum - or, according to some, for the forum at all. So let's draw a line under it, eh?

[dieselassist]

...having been through this (car stolen in the past, tho with better outcome; car recovered), I feel for you trigger; your in the shock/anger/disgust/blood boiling/hate stage of emotions... I went through about two months of 'stress' over it; wondering if the skumbags would come back; paranoid about any stage in the day the house might be empty; they took the keys from the house somewhere in a 4hr window at night; my brother is a night owl n wine drinker up till late, so stolen around 4-8am.... they were possibly watching the house... all this stuff plays over in the mind...

 

unfortunately there are the same opportunistic low life skum are everywhere these days, in all parts of the world ....

 

...I cant fathom how your insurance co' is liable for all the damage when they were joyriding it??? ...his ex then, whos car he hammered the astra into, manages to then later presumably gets an insurance payout for the damage to her car...very convenient it seems...

[Essex V6]

Sorry to see this Trig - your Astron was a cracker!

 

Some lowlife half inched my Capri 2.8 Special in Edinburgh a few years back. It was taken when I was at work. I still remember spending about 30 minutes in the car park in disbelief!

 

Got a phone call from the fire brigade as it too was torched.

 

Understandable that you are hacked off with old cars right now. Don't to make any hasty decisions re the Triumph - it is an absolute beauty!

 

Essex V6

[Eddie Honda]

...I cant fathom how your insurance co' is liable for all the damage when they were joyriding it??? ...his ex then, whos car he hammered the astra into, manages to then later presumably gets an insurance payout for the damage to her car...very convenient it seems...

As mentioned above, it's down the Road Traffic Act and the driver being identified. The case that immediately leaps to mind is between a bloke who sold his motorcycle and hadn't cancelled the insurance. The new keeper wasn't insured, crashed and died, but the former keeper's insurance had to pick up the tab.

 

http://www.whitedalton.co.uk/motorbike-blog/2014/12/dont-leave-yourself-liable/

http://www.whitedalton.co.uk/motorbike-blog/2013/10/i-sold-my-bike-but-didnt-cancel-my-insurance/

 

Two things to note there. Have it nicked and even if the tea-leaf is identified, it's not going to come back to bite. Flog a vehicle and forget to cancel and it could potentially come back to bite you on the arse very hard.

[sierraman]

It shocked me when I read that about the guy whose insurance wouldn't pay after some clown crashed his recently sold motorbike.

 

So if I've read this right, the council will claim against you for the damage to stuff? The trouble you've got is the guy that nicked your car had got nothing so he gets away Scot free. Madness.

 

Don't let bastards like that grind you down! I'd be inclined to get another old crock - show them you won't be beaten. It's easy at this point to bale and sign up to a 5 year PCP on a Kia. That's the worst thing you could do at this point. I'd say push for the highest settlement you can with the car, gather evidence on eBay and claim for everything. It'll seem like a piss take when he gets 6 months slopping out but the real irony will be that you've made a success and the tragic endightment of his life will be a series of bouts in the nick. Fuck 'em!

[omegod]

When I had trade insurance I sold a motor and removed it from the policy, it was involved in a smash 4 months later and all hell let loose with 3 other drivers trying to claim off me. It took months to sort having proved i had removed it and still crops up when I start a new policy as there something on a register some where 

[Eddie Honda]

So if I've read this right, the council will claim against you for the damage to stuff?

No, you've read wrong. Council, if they chose to do so, can claim against the insurers.

[Dick Cheeseburger]

Obviously too late now, but just been reading up on car security and thieves. For future peace of mind, and to help you get over the horrible situation, the key things seem to be:

 

1. Light. Decent lighting around driveway with PIR sensors if possible. If no driveway, park under a streetlight.

2. Flashing LED. Even if the car doesn't have an alarm, get a flashing LED to make it look like it has one.

3. Baby monitor. Leave a baby monitor in the car and the other next to your bed, with volume cranked to the max. THIS will at least give you some notification that something is happening with your pride and joy. I'd not heard of this one before, and like the idea of it.

[Barry Cade]

That's really shit Trig, made all the worse by the love and care you put into it in the short time you had it. It was more than just a crappy runaround that can be easily replaced. I deal with this shit every day now and even sometimes have to come face to face with the scrotes. The attitude of them just leaves me speechless, and has hardened my outlook on life in general which I know isn't a good thing. I couldn't be a Polis for love nor money now- they should get a medal for the professionalism and restraint they show when being abused on the street by gangs of these wee C***ts.

 

Cars are so secure now and impossible to take without keys, so any older stuff is a prime target- anything that moves. The slightly less bastard scrotes are legally getting 50 quid bangers off Gumtree, by swapping them for stolen X Boxes and stuff, and wiping out parked cars all over the place. It's turning into an epidemic- never thought I'd say this but I hope the price of scrap goes up a lot soon.

[Rocket88]

Revenge needs to be taken...........................if you can find their details. [address] you can make their lives an absolute misery.................without leaving the comfort of your lounge...................

[Bren]

I think you're missing the point a bit.  The sad fact is that society as a whole has become completely amoral, in the sense that there's no absolute sense of right and wrong - morality these days basically boils down to "if you're OK with it, do it".  Fortunately the large majority of people have enough of an inbuilt moral compass that they manage to refrain from being utter cunts without any external input, but there are a significant minority of people who don't.  'Twas ever thus, but in the past there was much more of a society-wide sense of right and wrong and, more to the point, giving a fuck about other people and their property, which helped to keep all but the most hardcore scrotes on the straight and narrow.  I think we need that back.  It doesn't necessarily have to come directly from religion - it hasn't always - but it needs to come from somewhere.  Moral relativism is a slippery slope that we're sliding down far too quickly for my liking.

 

I don't know if any of that makes sense - I'm quite tired.

The problem is large swathes of the country have no moral compass - and it's getting worse.

People want zero tolerance on offenders - until it is THEM getting caught - then they expect you to use your discretion.

I deal with people like this every day. Believe me, I, like the rest of my peers, just want them banged up.

The courts have other ideas. No wonder so many are leaving the job.

[purplebargeken]

you can make their lives an absolute misery

 

The mere thought of this makes me happy. 

[Bren]

I had been seeing my wife for six months when she had her car stolen ( ironically a vauxhall of similar vintage).

 

A couple of days later her dad died of a massive heart attack.

 

Her grandmother's house was burgled while she sat downstairs. She would'nt leave the house after this and ended up in a home. She died there.

 

They do not care what they put people through.

[New POD]

In Austria, we call this trying to grab into the pocket of a naked man.

 

Those guys don't have anything and neither a court nor a bailiff can change that.

 

Indeed. So Danny it is then ?

 

Neither of those pictures look like him. He's like a cross between Shrek and an ugly tall bloke with a history of violence.

[New POD]

Revenge needs to be taken...........................if you can find their details. [address] you can make their lives an absolute misery.................without leaving the comfort of your lounge...................

 

You probably should PM that information

[Lankytim]

I could make a few phone calls and for £500 or something they could be in a container for you to load onto a ship for China if you like? They'd both be dead by the time they got there, obv.

[Lankytim]

Meh, same difference.

[saucedoctor]

Prolific West Belfast car thief and general scrote-about-town Harry McCartan was, quite literally, crucified for the sort of behaviour shown by the cnuts that nicked Trig's Astra.

 

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/belfast-crucifixion-victim-had-stolen-200-cars-28041568.html

 

He got his cunt kicked in a couple of years later by a bloke whose car he tried to hijack.

[dollywobbler]

Jeez. Chill out folks. Once more we go down the extreme violence route. On a forum that can be read by anyone. Brilliant.

 

Obviously this is pretty bloody horrible, but noone died. Up your security and take it as a lesson.

[Bear]

I had been seeing my wife for six months when she had her car stolen ( ironically a vauxhall of similar vintage).

 

A couple of days later her dad died of a massive heart attack.

 

Her grandmother's house was burgled while she sat downstairs. She would'nt leave the house after this and ended up in a home. She died there.

 

They do not care what they put people through.

 

 

They lack the imagination and empathy to even understand what they put people through.

[surprisingskoda]

What, you mean we should keach kids fairy stories instead of the actual truth? Hm.

Firstly, I didn't make any suggestions on what should be taught.

Secondly, it isn't truth, actual or otherwise.

Thirdly, no, I don't believe Hansel and Gretel to be a viable alternative. Try again.

 

No, I don't think I missed the point.

 

I quite agree that morality and an inherent sense of social responsibility are on the decline, and there are loads of possible reasons for that. And yes, we definitely need a return to a more morals-driven society.

 

The point I wanted to make was that it's irresponsible to stop teaching verifiable facts in favour of unverifiable stories. Especially when different scriptures teach different attitudes towards morality, and invariably include a whole load of horrific stuff that is undeniably far from moral in the modern sense.

 

Anyway, this isn't a topic for this part of the forum - or, according to some, for the forum at all. So let's draw a line under it, eh?

Firstly, you cannot both posit an argument then attempt to close off the possibility of recourse - not morally anyway. Shouting out your views then denying others the chance of response is what dictators, cult leaders etc (and atheism protagonists, but that's another story) do.

Secondly, you cannot accomplish a desire to a return to a better moral standard without first restoring the source of the morals. And morals do not come from a evolutionary worldview. They fundamentally cannot.

Thirdly, I absolutely wholeheartedly agree that it's irresponsible to stop teaching verifiable facts in favour of unverifiable stories. It's just a huge shame that this has already happened, and stories such as this thread are the result of this teaching.

Fourthly, there are lots of different scriptures, so the key is clearly picking the true one. But morality is never about an attitude. It is an absolute, a finite. Attitude concerns whether one accepts or denies that, or bends it to suit oneself. I've read a great deal of horrific stuff in my time, and I agree that it is far from moral. Unfortunately it is also far from historical, and a heady number of recent-years atrocities are directly linked to modern day scholastic views on origins.

 

There you have your response. You can draw a line under it now if you like, or you can raise further points, which i will also respond to (if nobody else does). My original point goes on; if kids were not taught that life is meaningless, then they would be much less inclined to steal peoples cars and behave in a morally contemptible manner.

[cort16]

Can we not let this thread slide into an argument please.

[bub2006]

Right folk can we please stop throwing toys out the pram. Not the time nor place. Cheers

[dollywobbler]

Here's a more simple view. Some people are utter shits. This has been the case forever. Joyriding is not something that only happens today. Crime is not something that only happens today. Let's move on.