1.6HDI, engine strip pix and report following turbo falure

[MarvinsMom]

i too would not have anything to do with one of those pump things preferring to use the drain hole helpfully provided in the bottom of the sump.

 

how the hell anyone can think that sucking dirty oil up though the engine can be a good thing?

[Timewaster]

Ex colleague who now works for one of the biggest engine rebuilders.

How right he was.

I'm sure he mentioned the sump bung not being at the bottom of the sump, leaving a cup full of shit in the sump every oil change..

I was always against the suction idea, but this might be an exception.

[Jikovron]

If the vacuum pumps could reliably reach the very bottom of the sump everytime it could be an equally effective clearance of oil and particulate,but for me the sump draining overnight and a rinse through with petrol keeps me content about all the loose washed out

 

Having said that i havnt swapped the oil in the proton for the last 23000 as its still clean.... Still will change it tho soon!

[overrun]

Every 10K for the dirty derv.

That does me.

[Pillock]

I'm really, really glad I sold my 110ps Focus 1.6TDCI.

It had already chuffed the DPF balance pipes and it was about to take out the DPF too. The EGR had blocked and caused it to soot up.

The flywheel was juddering, and it had done 110k at 12,500 service intervals so I dread to think how badly it was clogged up.

[They_all_do_that_sir]

Do many people flush out the engine during an oil change? Never heard of petrol being used.

 

Wifey has a 1.6hdi in her recently acquired 307, this article has filled me full of confidence...

I have always serviced our cars every year which usually works around 8k

[Matt]

Just to repeeat - the big heavy Dispatches/Experts/Scudos/Jumpys that have the 1.6HDi engine must be absolutely doomed.  All that weight plus whatever the cargo is and a 20,000 mile service interval.

 

In that case the one on the camp site that I work at with a 10 MPH speed limit must be ready to put the on in the OP to shame. The '10 plate Kangoo I was using once starting pouring light blue smoke out the exhaust that smelt god awful, quit thrash up the road saw it good... For a while. It's properly buggered now though, won't run at al.

[Matt]

2009–present Volvo S80 1.6D DRIVe, 109 PS (107 bhp; 80 kW) and 177 lb·ft (240 N·m)

 

 

Bet that's a hoot to drive seeing as s80's are about 23ft long

 

It's certainly a low-powered engine for a big car by today's standards, but it's not a million miles away from the lowest-powered engines in mid-1980s vintage Volvo 740s.  IIRC some of the non-turbo 2-litre 740s had somewhere between 110 and 120 bhp.  The 740 is +/-200kg lighter than the S80, but the 1.6 diesel has rather more torque than the old 2-litre petrol, so I doubt they would feel terribly different in terms of usable performance.  

 

Not liking this thread much now, that's the motor in my mums V50. I've driven it before and honestly it's fine, it's not going to burn the tyres off but it's far far far more usable than, oh say a small blue Japanese car that's parked behind it.

[bigfella2]

I was warned not to buy a 1.6HDI about 3 years ago by a ex colleague who now works for one of the biggest engine rebuilders.

 

How right he was.

I'm sure he mentioned the sump bung not being at the bottom of the sump, leaving a cup full of shit in the sump every oil change.

 

Fortunately the 1.4 in Mrs Tops 206 is not affected in anything like the same way.

If you look on the last page it states make sure the sump is the 'new and revised version', bet thats the reason why then. Piss poor design.

[Albert Ross]

And more cars seem to come with this engine than first realised..... Where I work, probably 15% of the used stock have it installed...! My V50 has the somewhat more robust DW10/D4204T. Phew. My first job tomorrow, coincidentally, is an oil/filter change on a Fiesta thus equipped with the DV6. Then to carry out MOT. I do hope it doesn't ingest anything.

[Barry Cade]

Sigh. These things are the bane of my life through the day. Then I have to drive one home.

 

BUT. We look after a small fleet of vans for a local electrical contractor. His theory is "fix it when it is broken" The vans, or his Jag or his wife's Scenic are NEVER serviced, as he believes the repairs when they break cost less than servicing. His wife's on her 3rd Scenic in a year (all used,from the auction) His Jag caught fire a few weeks back, but his Peugeot Partner 1.6 HDi killed a turbo about 3 months ago, at 123,000 miles without an oil change. We fitted a turbo, and only a turbo at his request,and we have never seen him since. Van is still used daily. He's either lucky,lying or knows something we don't.

[Parky]

I change my oil every 6000 with a Pela. Engine holds 4 litres and I generally get just a whisker less than that out with the pump. My Dad has the 1.4 HDi PSA engine in his Nemo and the Pela doesn't work on that because the sump design won't allow the suction tube right to the bottom on the engine.

 

My view is my engine gets a new filter and a 95% oil change twice as often as SEAT specify so it should help. Will the SEAT main agent remove the sump nut and wait a couple of hours for the oil to drain? No chance, they suck out some with an electric pump, put too much incorrect spec oil back in its place, and charge me an environmental disposal fee when I can run it up the tip myself. 60000 miles down and it's nice and shiny under the cam cover so far so something's working.

[Pillock]

They're awesome engines.

 

I mean, they're a fucking liability. Yeah, that's the one.... Always getting those mixed up.

[beko1987]

The meriva gets oil every 6k, and still taps it's arse off on startup until the oil gets round...

 

Zx went 11k without a change in my ownership, and it doesn't feel much different now it's changed but it's a peace of mind thing. Has developed a quiet squeak from somewhere when stone cold for a few yards though...

[twosmoke300]

It's not the engine is the service/ neglect interval . How do you think a pinto would fare without an oil change for 30k . I can hear the camshaft from here

[Timewaster]

I remember taking to an oil sales rep in the early 90s who had a theory that most cars died because they got to 100k and burn a bit of oil so The owners start using cheap ditch water 20/50 oil (which we sold tons and tons of) and the car would last another 6 months.

[gordonbennet]

S'funny, but i read on other forums (which deal mainly with new/ish cars) posts from people actually considering recon engines or a new car cos their Aldi/whatever is burning a litre every 1000 miles, probably the same crew who think spending £12k on a car that supposedly does 8mpg more is sensible.

 

Bought carefully a 5 litre can of good fully synthetic oil is around £30 or less, especially if you avoid the heavy advertisers, and half that if you buy it when it's on offer....so if they cover 20k miles in a year they'll use 20 litres in top ups, so £120 at most even @ the full £30 a pot...yeah it makes the case for spending upwards of £3k for a recon engine or £10k for another car the absolute choices.

 

I wonder now many of these cars that use oil have been neglected and run low on oil during their first few years, causing rapid wear and increased oil consumption.... two sister lorries to mine drink oil, it's probably more than coincidence that the two regular steering wheel attendants that use them never check the level...even though it's on the menu in cab...and if you use one of those motors its sure fire guaranteed that you have to put 5 litres in before you dare start up...one of those two sounds like a bag of bolts when pulling away, its definately got ends knocking, going to be interesting when the thing goes bang and the manufacturer interrogates the OBC and discovers the low oil events,  then presents a bill for £20k for a new engine.

 

edit, just shows how cheap good engine oil is, done 3 oil changes this weekend and depleted me stock, just bought 20 litres Morris's 5W40 fully synthetic for £60, why people fuck about trying to wring 20,000 miles out of the stuff when it's so cheap i'm buggered if i know.

[Lacquer Peel]

BRING BACK THE XUD.

[Alan_Green]

.....goes off and googles "Pela oil". Hmm. £35 on ebay. Sounds good.

[Pillock]

I didn't pay much more - £37 I think - from Machine Mart and didn't have to deal with eBay, PayPal or the postal service.

[Parky]

Think I paid 44quid about three years ago but I now do an oil change in 20 minutes max with no mess. £35 on the bay is a good price

[Alan_Green]

• Remember this pic? Hundreds of Royal Mail SWB Transit Connects being auctioned off. (£650 to £1,100 + VAT + BCA fees in case you were wondering). 9 yrs old, dented, but still in daily use.

Looks like they've been replaced with 1.6 HDi Pug Partners! Surely the worst choice for that kind of start-stop driving. They are all doomed. And you read it here first.

What would I choose?  Petrol Nemo maybe. Or why not a few cheap base model petrol cars and delete the seats/windows? Kias etc.

[forddeliveryboy]

I wonder how long it'll be before the PO starts using EVs?

 

 

S'funny, but i read on other forums (which deal mainly with new/ish cars) posts from people actually considering recon engines or a new car cos their Aldi/whatever is burning a litre every 1000 miles, probably the same crew who think spending £12k on a car that supposedly does 8mpg more is sensible.

I wonder now many of these cars that use oil have been neglected and run low on oil during their first few years, causing rapid wear and increased oil consumption....

 

Aren't a good number of VW group cars (and other makes) which are using excessive amounts of oil simply not bedded in - the rings are hard and in the relatively light use a lot of cars in England get, they never stop using oil. With excess horsepowers, it's not always easy to drive within the UK speed limits and stretch the engine much.

 

Mate's Dad had a 156 TS which used oil, the 40k miles had been gentlish ones. mate borrowed it for a month, car was returned and didn't use a drop again. But money to be saved on oil was needed to replace the front tyres.

[Bren]

4 pot 156 do have an appetite for lube.

[New POD]

Think about the economics of the new  modern car.  It's bought by lease hire companies in bulk and hire car companies.  Their main costs are Depreciation, and Servicing.  (Hire car companies actually sell them for more than they buy them - or so I heard)

 

So if you are making cars by the 100,000 a year, the cost of a single engine failure is trivial in comparison to the lost profit, if you don't sell all those cars in bulk.  Statistically I don't know how many engines per 1000 will go bang if you extend the service interval by a multiple of 2, but I guess the cost is actually trivial if you make the engines.  In fact it's a good data capture test, because you can get real engine life statistics without paying 400 quid an hour to run a test rig night and day. I assume they'll strip the parts down and blame the suppliers of the parts anyway, so jobs a good-un as the cynical say.

 

Now fully synthetic oils do last longer, but hey I just paid £35 at cost co for some mobil 1 Diesel 0W/40 for the Honda, as I try to do it every 6000 if I can.

[Bren]

I have been looking at focii, wife's fiesta may be of no use as we are having a new arrival in October- fatherhood in my 40's will be knackering no doubt.

 

Lots of cheap, high mileage HDI's knocking about - if they have clocked up the miles they must have had some kind of TLC.

 

I need to balance this against an older focus, which may not have the mechanical issues, but structurally may be suffering.

 

Ford focus roulette? Could be a new game.

[Lukas]

 

 

Ford focus roulette? Could be a new game.

 

Maybe there are other cars on the market too... 

[cort16]

It needs to be a van/commercial vehicle for vat reasons. I wonder what they actually pay for one when buying in these numbers? 5-6 grand?