Are we getting too upset.....

[Justin Case]

....... over cars being scrapped? The Golf convertible sounds beyond saving let alone economic repair, and a Peugeot 406 is hardly desirable, even in good nick. Most cars are just transport and if someone urgently needs a car it will sell, if not then that's just the luck of the draw. On the other hand, something like Dollywobbler's 2CV have become part of the family, I can't see it ever getting weighed in. 

 

Let's face it most buyers of cheap cars are looking for something cheap to insure and run, or in the case if Autoshiters, something a bit quirky. So the Fiestas and XMs are likely to survive until they become too far gone, while the Mondeos and Vectras (and 406s) will all get weighed in. That's the way of the world, so let's all move on and just enjoy interesting old tat

[Cavcraft]

Definitely. Neither are much cop or desirable and they've gone now, so it's like spilt milk. I fully understand and applaud anyone trying not to scrap a half decent car, but you can't save them all and unless it's got sentimental appeal, why get upset about it? Going on and on about it won't bring them back.

[charlie2555]

I can't believe it (although it may well become true) but we (or future autoshiters) might be getting very excited about the sight of a Peugeot 406 or a Vauxhall Vectra in thirty years time! Do you reckon all the current preserved cars will stay preserved for the indefinite future?

[dollywobbler]

Was anyone kicking off about the 406 being scrapped? Think they were more kicking off at the hilariously idiotic antics of the chap advertising it.

 

As for the Golf, I was more annoyed at Vulgalour's hard work going into the crusher, but opted out of commenting on that one. I don't mind it when an end-of-life vehicle gets binned.

 

On the other hand, it'd be pretty odd if members of an old car forum didn't express some emotion when an old car is scrapped.

[Ratdat]

Yes.

 

When something really great, or the sole surviving example of something hits the bridge, then it's time to gripe. But a Golf cabrio? A Pug repmobile? Nah.

To be fair, I have weighed in some pretty interesting stuff over the years just because I knew it wouldn't sell easily or go for peanuts and I'd have to deal with some ebay mongs in the process. I'll have another go at trying to find a home for my Cherry Europe next week after the last unsucessful ebay adventure, but ultimately, if I can't find it a home you know where it'll end up, much as it pains me. That's life.

[dugong]

 Do you reckon all the current preserved cars will stay preserved for the indefinite future?

 

Well, Awesome Dog - 

 

If people want to save \ preserve something badly enough, they will find a way - but they may well be isolated cases. The next generation has to pick up the baton after the old guard has died away, and if there isn't a following certain cars will cease to exist in five or ten years. 

[320touring]

Way I see it is that the burd's mk1 gti cab just got rarer:)

 

If you are the owner of the car ya can do whatever you want..

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Yes defo, just flipping calm down everyone.

[dugong]

Way I see it is that the burd's mk1 gti cab just got rarer:)

 

If you are the owner of the car ya can do whatever you want..

 

A trip round the oval would have been HARROWING. 

[vulgalour]

The Golf situation may have got me more upset than I should have, less to do with a car being scrapped than it being that car and the way it was done... I allowed it to get too personal.  Sorry chaps, can we delete/lock that thread?  I believe I may have cocked up and you're right, it's not on having two siblings tear into each other publicly.

 

Not like me at all,  reading back through what was said I think my brother has been somewhat unfairly demonised and that's partly my fault because I didn't step in and defend him when I should.  I still maintain my position, but regardless of situation it wasn't my car and it wasn't my decision to make at the time.

 

I'll attempt to make it up with my brother in the real world, away from the internet.  It's taken so many years for us to get on with one another again it would be bloody stupid to throw it all away because of a car.

[trigger]

You know, some of those cars I posted early in the other thread which have been scrapped in the last 3 years are heartbreaking like the Talbot and the mint Sapphire but I can't see any if you lot grizzling over them like you are over a rubbish 406 or a knackered Golf.

 

LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE FFS. MILLIONS NEEDLESSLY DIE IN THIS OUTRAGE, WE NEED TO STOP THE DEATH RATE. DIG DEEP AND PERSERVE...

 

 

 

Sorry I came over all Bob Geldof then.

[saucedoctor]

JUST GIVE ME YOUR FUCKIN LOGBOOK.

[chaseracer]

That's more like it!!

 

[Forty-two]

I sometimes think back to my first car, a three door mk2 escort estate. It was both epic and shite at the same time on many levels.

 

It came from an auction for £200 the vendor was there and made sure he found us to explain all of the love he had lavished on the car.

 

Items included:

Split front bumper from a van

Cortina Ghia alloy wheels, different profile tyres front and back to jack it up!

Van leaf springs

Kenlowe fan

 

The list was endless.

 

It moved too Reigate from Exeter with me, and on one eventful week I was pulled by the police four times in one week because it was old and looked out of place (lots of stories about this car) which I may write a thread about.

 

Anyway, the point I was trying too make, the car was eventually unreliable and it had to go. I didn't have the money to fix or store it. It I could have metaphorically 'put it in the loft at my parents' like a toy I would still have it.

 

Am I upset it had to go? Yes. But it's memories will live on...

 

While I am thinking about it, there are two other cars I miss. My classic rangie for the V8 rumble and the impreza for epic ability to cover ground with no fuss.

[Stixy]

 Family's can be hard work to get on with   but life is too short to fall out with them 

[Partridge]

I do get upset when old cars get crushed. That's because I have a love of cars. Yeah, you can't save them all, but you can at least try.

[Vince70]

It's not worth falling out with your brother over a car..

 

I gave my brother (his girl friend had the car) my lovely old 1983 Mk2 Polo classic GL saloon which was absolutely immaculate rather than sell it as I really didn't have the heart to sell it when I replaced it with my colour concept Cabriolet.

 

Within six months the car was wrecked with bangs and dents all over it and then the cars engine seized because of lack of maintenance and a damaged hose so within a year an immaculate well cared car was scrapped.

 

I would never dream of falling out with my brother over this as at the end of the day 99% of the population don't look at old chod like us.. we are the odd ones out.

 

Any car can be replaced at the end of the day but you can't replace your family.

[Spiny Norman]

I think what was getting everyone's goat wasn't the fact that the cars got scrapped, but that (certainly in the case of VAs Golf) so little effort seemed to have been made to find them a home.

OK so they're not kittens or anything important and nobody died but it's a poor show if a bunch of grumpy old fuckers on the internet aren't allowed to get just a little bit cross when a relatively rare and potentially desirable car gets binned like that.

 

At least it didn't get bangered, don't think I could have coped with the resultant butt-hurt from that this week.

[rml2345]

I guess we are getting a bit upset over what is, at the end of the day just a lump of inanimate objectness. I missed the rest of the Golf thread so will say no more about that but the 406 was pretty mental really. Even having the thing on sale for a week would have made loads more sense.
It is pretty sad when something rare/interesting is squashed but if no one considers it worthy of handing out the folding when it comes up for sale then that will be the fate now and in the future for loads of what we consider classic tin as well as future shite. Perhaps we should go for a drive whilst the going is still good...

[CortinaDave]

It's not about particular cars for me, just about the sheer wastefulness of the British public when it comes to cars.

 

It's woven into the fabric of society that you are an OMG LEPER for driving something more than a few years old and scrapyards up and down the land are filled with perfectly serviceable motors who's only crime is being out of style.

 

So more resources are burned up making yet more new cars needlessly because our culture demands it, yet the Greeks etc manage to squeeze 30 odd years as a matter of course out of cars we bin at 10. That's what pisses me off.

[Des]

Fuck it, cars get scrapped. Only a fraction will survive, but I can't see much of the current stuff, like that Pug, surviving, who's got the garage space to stash worthless chod these days? Even if you received a tip off from the future telling you the Kia Pride will become the next Escort Mexico and will change hands for twelfty million intergalactic eurocredits you'll spend double that on lockup rent. Been a very long time since a working mans wage could buy a semi with space for a bit of parking.

I doubt a convertable Golf will actually get cubed this close to summer, should be an easy grand if the scrappy has a bit of patience, hope so as I do like the notion of a Golf which challenges the mounting of a roofrack. 

[pandamonium]

Cars come and go, if cars didn't get scrapped, there would be no need for new ones and we'd have no advancements in technology.

 

We collect old cars to reminisce on the 'good times', but as someone who has to travel many miles for my job, I'd sure as hell rather be driving a modern VW golf than a Mk1 up and down the M1/M6 etc. Old cars are worse than new ones, sorry to burst anyone's bubble.

 

New cars are made, old ones are scrapped - It's the circle of life!

[RichardMoss]

but you can't save them all

Sadly true. With all due respect to the 406, whilst they are worthy enough cars, the majority are just grey porridge. That said, they can be bargains - my father in law has just picked up a tidy 406 diesel estate for £170

 

As a Rover 800 enthusiast i have seen a huge decline in the number on the road in the recent past. However, ultimately that may help the remainder survive by making them more desirable. Mk3 Cortina anyone?

 

Now if we can just get an 800 into a prominent, cult TV role.........can anyone think of a 1990s David Bowie song to use as the basis for a TV show?

[twosmoke300]

Scrap it ! Scrap it ! Scrap it!

 

It was a bit of a shame about the golf ,even though I don't like them but the 406 can fro .

[michael1703]

Anti scrapper here, I always sell cars on no matter what they are and whether I make bridge money or less or spend more in adverts than the car is worth

[Mr Livered]

Eh? What's going on? Has a thread gone missing from the forum today or what?

[chaseracer]

Perhaps Angyl has deleted his own thread. If so, fair enough...

[drum]

It sounds like the golf was a lemon. Sometimes we put more money and effort into a car than it deserves. The 406, on the other hand, was perfectly serviceable, by all accounts. Scrapping a car that would have done someone a turn is wasteful.

 

And yes, some are getting too upset.

[M'coli]

I think the outrage expressed about the Gowf scrappage was the alacrity of events rather than the scrapping itself.

[Mr Livered]

What Golf sounds like a lemon? I've obviously missed something, as usual...