KruJoe Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The Honda 1.6 lump in R8's has a small black box of electrickery onside the dizzy which can fail without warning. The AA mad who attended mine knew exactly how to test it.Dunno if the 2.3's are the same like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KruJoe Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Also some Honda/Ronda models suffer fuel pump relay failure. Can you hear the pump when you turn the key?However, this normally presents as a hot start issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 I think these have a different immobiliser system to the rest of the Rovers, they have a chip in the key and the fob only does the central locking AFAIK. I reckon its one of these ignition modules like Krujoe says or the main fuel pump relay. I will see if between me and the RAC dude we can make a better fist of diagnosing it. I can't hear the pump but the relay is clicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KruJoe Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 This listing suggests they all use the same module from 1.6 to 2.3. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rover-200-400-600-coupe-Electronic-Ignition-Module-Unit-GENUINE-UNIPART-GIM5068-/252801980670?hash=item3adc2c18fe:g:~zsAAOSwsTxXkVnB If you need one, a bit of shopping will likely turn up a better price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 FFS, the no-start was a result of low fuel level and my slopy driveway. It's cost me £80 to find that out!!! HAIRY BOLLOCKS. Nyphur, RobT, cobblers and 16 others 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmund Fraud Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Rookie error, Mr.B. Can happen to the best of us ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Breadvan72 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Phew, if even a God of Shiteworld such as Mr Spudz can do that sort of thing, it makes me feel better about all the spannocky shiz that I do. beko1987 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 To make matters worse the current Mrs_Nutz asked while we were waiting for the RAC dude "are you sure its not just cos you.re parked on a slope" so now she is inevitably gonna give me a diagnosis on all future car problems. Sigmund Fraud, HillmanImp, RobT and 23 others 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmund Fraud Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 To make matters worse the current Mrs_Nutz asked while we were waiting for the RAC dude ‘are you sure its not just cos you’re parked on a slope’ so now she is inevitably gonna give me a diagnosis on all future car problems. Mrs.F always does that... What's worse is that she's usually right, because common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split_Pin Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Same here with Mrs_ IainL, common sense as you say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave21478 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Top LOLs Mr spuds...this is why I come to autoshite.The guy is restoring a Maserati and can fix a kettle series with his eyes closed but gets stumped by low fuel! KruJoe and mercedade 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bell Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I bet you feel such a Fuel. beko1987, Craig the Princess, EssDeeWon and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Expensive lesson that one. The fuel light wasn't on so i thought i was OK for juice, evidently it's more complicated than that!!! What's more i only paid £80 to upgrade my RAC cover cos i didn't have 'home assistance'. when i thought about it after, i realised they still had my old address on their records, so i could have just said i was staying at my gf's house overnight and called it an ordinary breakdown. Ah well. Jim Bell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 You plonker bollox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymous user Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 To make matters worse the current Mrs_Nutz asked while we were waiting for the RAC dude ‘are you sure its not just cos you’re parked on a slope’ so now she is inevitably gonna give me a diagnosis on all future car problems. That's easily dealt with, all you need to do is split up with her and find somebody new who doesn't know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Fearn Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 That's easily dealt with, all you need to do is split up with her and find somebody new who doesn't know about it.Seriously, Ms_Bollx asks no questions when Mr_Bollx turns up with a Freight Rover 200....... She's a keeper. trigger and beko1987 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I've done this. I didn't call the rac but it took me days to figure out. My logic being it drove up there so it can't be fuel . It's only when I removed the in tank pump and peered in did I realise the pump wasn't really near any fuel .Even putting a gallon in didn't work I had to put 2 gallons in it before it fired up. Mr_Bo11ox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 HOLY THREAD RESURRECTION! Don't get excited, nowt mega happening here but I have actually busted out some spanners today. The MOT is due on the 623 this week after 13,000 hassle-free miles. I reckon it should be fairly painless, but I know the handbrake isnt up to much. My experience of these Rover/Honda rear discs is that they always need some TLC at MOT time, though the TLC is usually just disconnect HB cables, remove pads, wind the piston in and out a couple of times, reassemble, bingo - revived handbrake. Basically just give the caliper some exercise. So I got the Rover under the carport and had a look: Didn't take long to run into the first problem: Hmm, rear pads are a bit thin!!!! I dont think I'm going to try and get a decent handbrake with those useless razor blades, so it will be a trip to GSF tomorrow for a set of their finest reconstituted eggbox brake pads. Next, I bought a cam cover gasket off eBay a week or two back for all of £8 so I decided to lash that on in the hope that it would stem an annoying oil leak on the back of the engine: Pretty straightforward to get the cam cover off. I have never got involved in the cambelt on this as it looks fairly involved and theres not much space. But it looks like it might have suffered a bit with oil splashage: Eeewww!!!! I wonder if it has a leaky cam seal or something. After 160k I guess its allowed to leak a bit here and there. The cambelt kit is a £100 touch so I'd want to sort whatever it is thats leaking before putting one of those sparkling trinkets on. I think all told I will just put the lid back on and worry about it another day. I also bought some cheap ATF off the bay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEMCO-iMATIC-450-ATF-JWS-Gear-oils-transmission-fluids-4L-JASO-M315-Type-1A/302418579780 The gearbox works great in the 623, the only criticism I could make is that when you engage drive, the 'thump' is of a magnitude that I think could be better. I'm sure it must have been smoother when it was new. I read up on lots of yankee forums (there must be millions of honda autoboxes over there racking up colossal mileages) and most of thems said you must use the correct Honda DW1 fluid, but I found a couple of specialist ATF's for 'imports' that were supposedly OK as a replacement for the honda stuff. The honda fluid is like £50 for a 4ltr can, too much for me, but by cross-checking various american, european and Japanese specs I decided that a fluid that met the suposed JASO-1A spec would do the biz. After a fashion I found the above shizz on the bay for £20 which was more like it!!! Its probably made out of sesame oil and cherryade but whatever. I am gonna do the repeated drain/refill technique and see if it gets any smoother. ANyway I am gonna try and get this thing in for a ticket on Tuesday. If it passes without too much expense I have decided i am gonna SPLA$H T€H BIG DOLL4R and reward it with a full set of new tyres for it as I am still running the pre-2000 Michelin partworns I bought earlier in the thread!!! billyboy406v6, Honey Badger, Vince70 and 22 others 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidel_Kakao Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Actual bollox action! This pleases me Now get on with the Maser Sigmund Fraud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_lihp Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Glad to see this thread come back to life, what's on the fleet these days then? I definitely think I should leave the 90s Rover scene to you, I am now positive I'm cursed. Given you were planning on punting the 623 on once it was roadworthy, it's done alright! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Cool stuff. I hope you used some sealant on that new gasket. I fitted one to my S-MX and THEN folk told me you should always use sealant (some special Honda sealant no less). Naturally, I hadn't, and naturally the thing still pisses oil everywhere. Which would be fine, but hamfisted me has buggered up one of the studs, so it now turns with the nut. HELPFUL. I just keep pouring oil into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeJay Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Whoo-hoo, a bit of Mr Bollox spannering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 I didnt use any sealant, The old gasket had hylomar squelched on it and I just assumed it was an 'old boy' repair. The gasket is a squishy rubber affair, I reckon it should seal up OK? Time will tell!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Well, if it does start pissing oil everywhere, at least you can call it heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeJay Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Isn't Hylomar sometimes used to keep the gasket in place when fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 Had a few hours on this last night: Got a new set of brake pads off GSF, while I was there I saw this on the shelf so grabbed it: Its a Sealey one, but I stupidly looked it up on eBay when i got home and saw you could buy it for £15 (half what GSF charged me!!!) Ah well. Anyway its nice having the proper tools and it helped me to chuck the new pads in alright so I shouldn't grumble. I also found a seized-up slider on one side, had to take off the caliper carrier and free that off in the vice. Put it all back together and tightened up the cable. With that lot done the pedal was firmer, and we had a proper handbrake that could for the first time hold the Rover still on my slopey driveway!!!! Revelation. Also pleased to notice that the welding job on the rear arches is holding up OK, no rot has crept back in yet!!! So, feeling optimistic, today i chucked it in for an MOT: *Sigh* I was quite hopeful as the Rover is driving great, but it wasn't to be....! SO I ordered a new upper arm off the bay while sat on the frank zappa at work today (£25) and I will have to get a new balljoint boot for the other side. They've knocked it back for a rough wheelbearing too but theres no droning or funny noises so I think that might be misleading, I will have to have a look at the weekend. Yo! Vince70, Honey Badger, Coprolalia and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobT Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 That's a pain in the butt. Is the 323 your backup daily, or do you have sommat else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_craig Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Congrats on getting such great value out of these unloved old heaps. Seriously though. What the Friar Tuck is that bust brake bulb all about? Deliberately fitted just to check the MOT boys are doing a proper job? Pillock, Sigmund Fraud, spartacus and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 Pure fecklessness on my part I'm afraid DeeJay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 done a bit on this in the last few days... First job was a new wishbone, cost £25 off eBay and was a piece of cake to fit Lovely job!!! Next we needed a new rubber cover on the balljoint on the other side: Got this off eBay too, £3 for two. No doubt it will have been made by the Hoo Flung Dung Spicy Wasp Rubber Vulcanising And Baby Food Manufacturing Concern and will have turned to mush in 3 months but I'll worry about that then. What else? ONe front brake was low on effort, I dismantled it for a look and the caliper seemed clean and unrusted, but it was MEGA hard to push the piston back in more than about 1mm. I decided that the hose must be failing inside so back on the bay for a replacement (after clocking that they cost an eye-watering £52 from ECP!!!!) ON it went.... The other fail point was a rough-feeling front wheel bearing. I couldnt find anything wrong with it though, so I deployed an 'IGNORE' strategy on that one. Back to the MOT shop: BOOM!!!! Sigh of relief as I was 5 days out of MOT by then. So the MOT cost:£20 for rear pads£25 for wishbone£13 for brake hose£40 for the test itself £98 total, not bad really. The MPG on this car is not the best (28ish) but total cost so far, including purchase and initial fix-up is about £500 plus fuel, which after 12,000miles I make about 24p/mile (leaving out tax and insurance) which seems OK. I really could do with a new set of tyres though which is gonna hit that hard!!!! richardthestag, RoadworkUK, Hertz and 19 others 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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