The Bikeshite Thread

[Cavcraft]

Oh yeah, thanks to @UltraWomble this arrived a week or two ago...

One owner from new with a history file you just would not believe. There's probably at least 10 letters from and to the owner to Triumph where he kicked off because his brand new bike had done 18 miles so it wasn't really brand new. Turns out there was a minor fault and the dealers were just making sure it'd been resolved before they handed it over. The file with all that (and much more) in is HUGE.

It doesn't run, but does turn over.

[twosmoke300]

The Shitefest Camino has had some love .

In an utterly stupid bit of design you have to  seperate the engine from the frame to get to the carb on these . So that was done and top end rebuild compete .

Managed to get it running while still split in two . Once I knew the motor etc was ok I took it into lots of parts to continue the refurb 

A couple of bits of the rear frame needed a bit of welding so that was done and a coat of primer applied .

Just a case of refitting parts and cleaning / painting as I go now 

[twosmoke300]

Few more pics and a selection of Honda pistons from 50-250 cc

[Stinkwheel]

46 minutes ago, Cavcraft said:

Oh yeah, thanks to @UltraWomble this arrived a week or two ago...

One owner from new with a history file you just would not believe. There's probably at least 10 letters from and to the owner to Triumph where he kicked off because his brand new bike had done 18 miles so it wasn't really brand new. Turns out there was a minor fault and the dealers were just making sure it'd been resolved before they handed it over. The file with all that 9and much more) in is HUGE.

It doesn't run, but does turn over.

Good bikes these, a mate has one here and another in Canada for when he is over there

[Jerzy Woking]

1 hour ago, Cavcraft said:

if you're used to nimble sports bikes you might very well not like a Harley Davidson

I purchased a 1200 Sportster that had been fitted with Edelbrock heads and inlet manifold, Mukini carb, Andrews cam, S&S exhaust system and Dynavolt ignition. Although it was quick, the total absence of uprated brakes (still on a single front disc with single piston caliper) and stock suspension made it somewhat scary to ride to even a ⅓ of its potential, but it was nice to potter about on.

Main reason for selling it was because of the riding position, as it did my back in after about 20 minutes. Presumesbly 30 odd years or riding Sportbikes saw to that.

[Rustybullethole]

5 hours ago, Stinkwheel said:

Id be making it structurally secure and leaving as is personally

Aye that's the new plan. Needs a set of pivot gubbins when cash allows and whilst there shall tap some grease nipples in to keep the new bearings sweet and it'll be transformed. Plus ignored by all the little tealeaf scroats when I park it up around town. 

[pilninggas]

On 29/08/2024 at 08:47, pilninggas said:

 

So after having been on holiday (Bulgaria on the GSXS), I have started to get into this thing.

Have spent time cleaning lots of it - grime upon grime upon grime. Lots of dilute TFR and the paraffin gun.

Pulled the carbs and they were all clean internally - the PO did say he'd ran it down when he'd last used it. Started to check the fuel levels, they were all the same (about -2mm from float chamber mating surface) however Haynes says -7mm. Something isn't right - the fact that they are all the same, says the Haynes is wrong. Infact the idea of bending the tangs on the float levers enough to reduce fuel levels 5mm on each carb  sends a shiver down my spine. So reassemble and refit to bike. Sling on a fit battery, check there is oil and fit my temporary portable fuel tank. Choke out and press start. Instantly fires, but revs to 4krpm. Panic, then remember it's a kwak and it's got racey cold start [should have remembered].

Seems to run like a trooper - idle mixtures are a little off, but will borrow a colourtune and set each carb up, also do a balance. Engine sounds sweet - really kawa sweet.

So:

-Dropped the oil

-Stripped the front brakes [both calipers the pistons are corroded

Chunter onwards.

Parts availability and price far better than the XJ600H elsewhere in the workshop.

Jobs done up to 5 mins ago:

Carbs back off and statically balanced. Also rechecked pilot circuit for crud.

Clutch cable replaced [old one had been misrouted by someone and got damaged, the replacement i order got lost* [nicked] in the post, so had to wait on that.

Front wheel refurbished - new tyre [old one was a pain to get off - tubeless tyre and rim, and someone had used a tube causing the bead to to be stuck solid], new wheel bearings, black rim inlay repainted [smooth hammerite special].

Mudguard stripped and cleaned. Mudguard bracket repainted and fittings replaced.

Calipers rebuilt with new pistons and seals. New brake lines. Brakes feel fantastic. Disc bolts cleaned up before refitment.

The front of the chassis is surface crusty so I've just got the oil cooler off and will go at it with a die grinder and a wire brush and repaint.

Found a pair of twin shocks I bought years ago so those have been put on. The standard air shocks are a great set-up but i'm not convinced they will hold pressure - crispy and cruddy.

Pleased with the progress. Compared to a 30yo Suz or Yam things seem to be much less likely to be seized.

 

 

[Aston Martin]

Imagine getting a Vultus and then doing this.

 

 

[Jazoli]

2 minutes ago, Aston Martin said:

Imagine getting a Vultus and then doing this.

 

 

Stupid people have been tastefully modifying bikes since they were invented.

[LightBulbFun]

1 hour ago, Aston Martin said:

Imagine getting a Vultus and then doing this.

 

 

I admit I have never seen someone colour in the tread grooves of their tyres before now! so points there at least for something a bit creative like that, I wonder how long before that spreads to the car scene? 

[MT606]

[Stinkwheel]

42 minutes ago, MT606 said:

What happened there then, looks bad, hope all is fixable (especially the rider)

[twosmoke300]

At request from @tom13

Missis innova 

 

[twosmoke300]

Out with the big boys !

[MT606]

5 hours ago, Stinkwheel said:

What happened there then, looks bad, hope all is fixable (especially the rider)

got sucked into the verge(never fun) n had a fight with a stock fence n tarmac..... bruised n battered n ache all over when I cough or bend down or get up or move, nothing broken on the rider, bike on the other hand.... finding forks may be an issue.... riding it 15 miles home in that state with handlebar ends at 10 n 4 was interesting.....

 

[Stinkwheel]

1 hour ago, MT606 said:

got sucked into the verge(never fun) n had a fight with a stock fence n tarmac..... bruised n battered n ache all over when I cough or bend down or get up or move, nothing broken on the rider, bike on the other hand.... finding forks may be an issue.... riding it 15 miles home in that state with handlebar ends at 10 n 4 was interesting.....

 

Glad you got away with it mostly, but shame about the bike. What’s the model and where are you? Forks shouldn’t be too hard to find I wouldn’t have thought?

I once binned a 600 bandit chasing a mate on a monster 900 on some twisty back roads. He could ride a bit and knew the roads, back then I could ride a bit  as well, but didn’t know the roads. So I put it into a hedge when I had to sit it up as it was dug In so hard with peg and back brake lever it would had me off worse by levering back wheel off the ground, anyway long story short (too late) we dragged it out the hedge and It was kinda in one piece still with a banana clutch lever, one handlebar at 90 degrees to the other and floppy indicators. It took concentration and taking it steady, but rode on to our destination,  got treated like a bloody hero by the local ner do wells and Kevin schwantz wannabe boys for binning it still and riding on to the pub. I used to be a proper biker, rather than a fair weather prick, how times and attitudes change  😂😂😂😂😂

[tom13]

On 20/09/2024 at 18:29, twosmoke300 said:

At request from @tom13

Missis innova 

 

I like that a lot. What would it be like off road with 100kg rider?

I did have a quick look on marketplace. Prices on them have gone up. 

[twosmoke300]

1 hour ago, tom13 said:

I like that a lot. What would it be like off road with 100kg rider?

I did have a quick look on marketplace. Prices on them have gone up. 

It’s fine with heavy riders . Family car in Vietnam innit 

[twosmoke300]

Be aware that fitting a bash plate is not an easy task to do well due to the frame design 

[Cavcraft]

What's the script with those Innovas, are they a 125 or something? The C200 gets a bit much on anything over about 5 miles (often less) so maybe one of these would be fun.

[UltraWomble]

4 minutes ago, Cavcraft said:

What's the script with those Innovas, are they a 125 or something? The C200 gets a bit much on anything over about 5 miles (often less) so maybe one of these would be fun.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/135260611979

Same engine and box as Honda used in the first series MSX/Grom (and some Grom owners modified theirs to include the kick start off the Innova)

[twosmoke300]

14 minutes ago, UltraWomble said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/135260611979

Same engine and box as Honda used in the first series MSX/Grom (and some Grom owners modified theirs to include the kick start off the Innova)

Same but actually quite different. Typical Honda ! 
I’ve been deep in the guts of both and they are surprisingly different inside 

[pilninggas]

On 15/09/2024 at 14:50, pilninggas said:

Jobs done up to 5 mins ago:

Carbs back off and statically balanced. Also rechecked pilot circuit for crud.

Clutch cable replaced [old one had been misrouted by someone and got damaged, the replacement i order got lost* [nicked] in the post, so had to wait on that.

Front wheel refurbished - new tyre [old one was a pain to get off - tubeless tyre and rim, and someone had used a tube causing the bead to to be stuck solid], new wheel bearings, black rim inlay repainted [smooth hammerite special].

Mudguard stripped and cleaned. Mudguard bracket repainted and fittings replaced.

Calipers rebuilt with new pistons and seals. New brake lines. Brakes feel fantastic. Disc bolts cleaned up before refitment.

The front of the chassis is surface crusty so I've just got the oil cooler off and will go at it with a die grinder and a wire brush and repaint.

Found a pair of twin shocks I bought years ago so those have been put on. The standard air shocks are a great set-up but i'm not convinced they will hold pressure - crispy and cruddy.

Pleased with the progress. Compared to a 30yo Suz or Yam things seem to be much less likely to be seized.

 

 

Now completed:

Rear tyre replaced, rear rim, brake drum and associated parts cleaned and repainted. Bearings and brake shoes like new so left.

Rear swing arm cleaned with tfr. It's in decent nick.

Front of framed derusted and repainted.

9x god-awful bullet connectors (!) to fairing lights replaced with a 9-way multi plug.

Carbs balanced. Not 100% happy with the balance, but I'll revisit it when I get idle mixture done. - gunson colortune not available in 12mm, but ordered the adaptor as a mate has a 14mm colortune. Adjusting cylinder mixture on cylinder 3 is going to interesting as the mixture screw is partially obscured by the timing chain tensioner.

Air filter replaced

Other brackets painted. Lots of fittings replaced with stuff on shelf.

 

 

[UltraWomble]

1 hour ago, twosmoke300 said:

Same but actually quite different. Typical Honda ! 
I’ve been deep in the guts of both and they are surprisingly different inside 

Well, go on dont leave us all guessing (Im assuming the clutch set up for one and I know the Grom had issues with the oil pump gear shredding teeth on early ones) but surely they must be pretty similar for some Grom owners to retrofit a kick start (&possibly case) off the Innova

[twosmoke300]

Timing chain set up is slightly different, you can get a con rod kit for an innova , can’t for a Grom ( and I pressed it all apart to measure it and it’s different ) 

The innova cam set up is different with some weird decompressor built into it 

Obviously clutch and gear box is different. 
Im not talking massive changes but in typical Honda fashion there are a lot of subtle changes 

[Stinkwheel]

2 hours ago, twosmoke300 said:

Timing chain set up is slightly different, you can get a con rod kit for an innova , can’t for a Grom ( and I pressed it all apart to measure it and it’s different ) 

The innova cam set up is different with some weird decompressor built into it 

Obviously clutch and gear box is different. 
Im not talking massive changes but in typical Honda fashion there are a lot of subtle changes 

It’s the Honda way, they are just engineered to work properly for each individual process and model. They really do still do engineering very well 

[pilninggas]

On 22/09/2024 at 12:23, pilninggas said:

Now completed:

Rear tyre replaced, rear rim, brake drum and associated parts cleaned and repainted. Bearings and brake shoes like new so left.

Rear swing arm cleaned with tfr. It's in decent nick.

Front of framed derusted and repainted.

9x god-awful bullet connectors (!) to fairing lights replaced with a 9-way multi plug.

Carbs balanced. Not 100% happy with the balance, but I'll revisit it when I get idle mixture done. - gunson colortune not available in 12mm, but ordered the adaptor as a mate has a 14mm colortune. Adjusting cylinder mixture on cylinder 3 is going to interesting as the mixture screw is partially obscured by the timing chain tensioner.

Air filter replaced

Other brackets painted. Lots of fittings replaced with stuff on shelf.

 

 

Update:

Tried to use my mates colortune, but cyls 2 and 3 impossible to adjust as access is so poor (manage to cook my thumb though). Had a rethink and remembered that keihin carbs of many styles use the same mixture screws, so have ordered some pitbuke-esque pattern mixture screws with external knurled knobs - means getting the carbs off again but ho hum.

Centre stand crusty, so pulled off and repainted. Took 20 mins to get split pin out and another 20 to get the shaft extracted. 2 mins to run the powered wire brush over it...

Top fairing refitted.

Front forks charged with 10psi air

Tank and seat refitted - had to reverse the rear shocks as the reservoirs interfered with seat locking mechanism.

Went for a spin up the lane, bad misfire - argghhh. Had a look and realised the vacuum feed for the fuel tap had come off meaning no fuel and cylinder 2 lean. Think it's okay and that was it. I hope so.

Feels very 80s, but also tight. 

Will need to pull the swing arm - thought I could avoid it - as it needs a proper tidy up and hammerite.

Getting there.

 

 

[pilninggas]

+ pukka 80s giffer numberplate made in work with the vinyl cutter and a bit of yellow acrylic (one in bike cracked)

+ Headlight fairing false lens (also cracked) replaced with a bit of 2mm acrylic shaped on the bandsaw.

[Rustybullethole]

On 18/09/2024 at 22:45, Aston Martin said:

Imagine getting a Vultus and then doing this.

 

 

Really should of waited for the box junction to dry before they rode through it. 

[Matty]

On 13/09/2024 at 11:39, tom13 said:

£1800. It's a nice one though as I'm sure you can see in the picture. 

By God are these still worth so little? 1800 for that seems like worlds biggest bargain.