Problems with new old stock

[jonathan_dyane]

I had an interesting issue with my 406 which had developed some back brake problems.

Just before I acquired it (about 2 months and 2000 miles) the rear brake shoes had been replaced with new old stock items. 

Dismantling the brakes one of the linings had detached from the shoe which for what appeared to be genuine Bosch shoes is pretty disappointing.

I guess you can't guarantee stuff that's been lying around for years is still good. Notably the shoes looked great otherwise, no sign of corrosion or anything to suggest poor storage 

[cobblers]

I've had that with new stock more times than is reasonable. Three times! Always Peugeot 106.

[jonathan_dyane]

I do feel you can't go wrong with rivets mind...

[camryv6]

Those shoes did that as standard when new !

[PhilA]

That was right at the point where all the manufacturers were being brow-beaten into using fewer nasty chemicals in the production of their vehicles. 

Water based paints, plant oil derived wiring insulation, which included terrible glue for brakes and organic friction material; none of which stuck particularly well.

[The_Equalizer]

Anything with rubber is now a no go on the NOS front for me. Bleedin' obvious if I gave it any thought, but the NOS brake servo for my Series 3 Land Rover (at vast expense) was a school boy error.

[Alan_Green]

Oh man.  What bad luck.  I bought those shoes from that eccentric guy in SW19, from his ultra-chaotic (but dry) unit.  The photo below shows about 10% of his stock.  The second photo is him showing off some of the racks and racks of memorabilia and press material he has.  Vantage Citroen, Lyon Road, SW19. 

[jonathan_dyane]

No worries I managed to get some new old stock QH shoes off eBay, knowing my luck they'll last about a week and a half...

[cobblers]

49 minutes ago, The_Equalizer said:

Anything with rubber is now a no go on the NOS front for me. Bleedin' obvious if I gave it any thought, but the NOS brake servo for my Series 3 Land Rover (at vast expense) was a school boy error.

NOS rubber from decades ago will almost certainly give better service than rubber made last week. There has been a major change in the quality of rubber in the last 15 years and it is ALL absolutely terrible now. A year out of the bag and it's crumbling away.

[The_Equalizer]

3 hours ago, cobblers said:

NOS rubber from decades ago will almost certainly give better service than rubber made last week. There has been a major change in the quality of rubber in the last 15 years and it is ALL absolutely terrible now. A year out of the bag and it's crumbling away.

Wasn't aware of this. I always try for either genuine or OEM (as in real OEM which can be found after a bit of research.) 

[PhilA]

As commented by someone I know, he said as kids in the 50's they'd chop up rubber inner tubes from bicycles and make slingshots.

Try that today and you'd get a limp slap to the back of your hand as the thing split and broke.

There's some rubber parts on my car that are still pliable after 72 years. Modern stuff is terrible.

[Bren]

3 hours ago, cobblers said:

NOS rubber from decades ago will almost certainly give better service than rubber made last week. There has been a major change in the quality of rubber in the last 15 years and it is ALL absolutely terrible now. A year out of the bag and it's crumbling away.

Bottom hose on my SD1 crumbled like boiled sweet despite not being old. Brand new replacement was too long. A used item - but God knows how old - was fine.

Modern stuff is utter shit.

[cobblers]

6 minutes ago, Bren said:

Bottom hose on my SD1 crumbled like boiled sweet despite not being old. Brand new replacement was too long. A used item - but God knows how old - was fine.

Modern stuff is utter shit.

 

37 minutes ago, PhilA said:

As commented by someone I know, he said as kids in the 50's they'd chop up rubber inner tubes from bicycles and make slingshots.

Try that today and you'd get a limp slap to the back of your hand as the thing split and broke.

There's some rubber parts on my car that are still pliable after 72 years. Modern stuff is terrible.

 

 

I've fished 35 year old, 200,000 mile ball joints out of the scrap bin in order to rob the gaiters off them to repair the "premium OEM" ball joints I'd replaced them with less than a year prior!

 

[mat_the_cat]

3 hours ago, Bren said:

Modern stuff is utter shit.

You spelt life wrongly...

[ETCHY]

Modern stuff is shit & nowt is made to last. Which is utterly at odds with all this save the planet stuff. If you make shit last you won't need to buy shiny new shit every 5 mins..

Unfortunately that bit of being environmentally friendly is ignored.

 

[beko1987]

It's the same with modern replacement vacuum belts for Hoover Seniors and juniors. The modern rubber just isn't tough enough to last. I had a chat with the last big company making them a few years ago and the owner who is a bit old school agreed and said 'yep, we can't use certain ingredients that stop it happening, it's why their very cheap for the pair of new ones, as you'll need a few"

I bought loads of vintage nos parts earlier in the year and got alot of 1970s/1980s belts. Not snapped the one I fitted yet, and I was selling them for £6 a belt earlier in the year as everyone wanted a belt that probably wouldn't snap 🤣

@AnthonyGwas telling me a similar tale at sf at how he didn't get the water pump changed when he got the belts done for the first time on his owned from new jag as the original pump is probably still more trustworthy than a Chinese replacement and yup, I fully agree! 

[cobblers]

1 hour ago, ETCHY said:

Modern stuff is shit & nowt is made to last. Which is utterly at odds with all this save the planet stuff. If you make shit last you won't need to buy shiny new shit every 5 mins..

Unfortunately that bit of being environmentally friendly is ignored.

 

Another one is this "RoHS" stuff, requiring the use of lead free solder in all electronics manufacture. I can understand it in cheap throwaway consumer shit, but on industrial stuff it's an absolute joke. Lead free solder is less ductile, cracks easily, needs more aggressive flux and hotter temperatures to work with.

So instead of an ECU lasting the whole life of the truck (10-15 years), but having a couple of grams of lead in it, they might only last 3 or 4 years, so you're making the same part three times.

Quite often, serviceable trucks (and cars) are scrapped because of a faulty ECU, which would almost certainly have been avoided if leaded solder had been used in it's manufacture.  You're scrapping an entire vehicle many years prematurely, for the sake of saving a few grams of lead. 

I shouldn't complain too much because I earn a living repairing these ECUs, but it's really short sighted. 

[sierraman]

Probably 5-6 years is the lifespan of a truck in the U.K., you rarely see that many at more than 10 years old, they’ve been packed off to Cyprus/Africa by that point.

[loserone]

Being in Cyprus or Africa isn't life kids.