Ambitious towbars

[bunglebus]

How about an ambitious roof rack?

[High Jetter]

  On 11/02/2023 at 20:34, bunglebus said:

How about an ambitious roof rack?

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Skull duggery?

[LightBulbFun]

  On 11/02/2023 at 20:34, bunglebus said:

How about an ambitious roof rack?

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pretty sure I can win/kill this one right away! LOL

and its worse then it looks because its a *Villiers* machine, 197cc, 8.6Hp, single Jingle 2 stroke, just what you want for moving a triple settee up the welsh hills (which is where the shot was taken!)

[sutty2006]

  On 08/02/2023 at 23:34, Faker said:

Yeah I was just running it back to the storage facility. Yaris 1.3 has a towing capacity of 1050kg, Brian James is 600kg empty. Towed it no problem 

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Just don’t get caught because enforcement will ring you a new bum hole. Lol 😂 

[castros_bro]

Hercules Post Mofa

 

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[sutty2006]

I was going to put this in the caravan thread. Might still do it. But this is what happens when no one is taught how to do it correctly. 

edit: According to the facebook police, the panda wasnt the tow car. But still looks ambitious. Turns out it was towed by an X5 that the towbar fell off.

[Barry Cade]

Just had to abort a job to fit a towbar to a 2022 Rav 4 hybrid. Chap has just bought a swift 530, at 1400kg.. the Rav maximum towing capacity is 800kg..

WTF?

[Talbot]

  On 20/02/2023 at 12:26, Barry Cade said:

Just had to abort a job to fit a towbar to a 2022 Rav 4 hybrid. Chap has just bought a swift 530, at 1400kg.. the Rav maximum towing capacity is 800kg..

WTF?

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Seeing this more and more.  I am sure I have read that one of the considerations vehicle manufacturers have to take into account is the weight a vehicle can tow up a 1-in-6 hill (which is bloody steep actually).  WIth the direct-drive fixed ratio of motor-to-wheels, they just cannot tow 2+tonnes up such an incline.

This is also why vehicles have GTW weights rather than "towing" weights.  You can trade weight between the trailer and vehicle within certain limits, as the overall limit is based on how much weight can actually be dragged up an incline.  On the flat-and-level, a fiat panda could probably pull 10 tonnes (slowly).  Up an incline though?  not likely.

It's part of the reason that anything with a low-box often has such a high towing capacity.  Shove it in low-box 1st, and you have enough gear reduction to be able to pull said weight up a hill.  Electric drive just doesn't have this ability.

[Metal Guru]

  On 20/02/2023 at 12:51, Talbot said:

Seeing this more and more.  I am sure I have read that one of the considerations vehicle manufacturers have to take into account is the weight a vehicle can tow up a 1-in-6 hill (which is bloody steep actually).  WIth the direct-drive fixed ratio of motor-to-wheels, they just cannot tow 2+tonnes up such an incline.

This is also why vehicles have GTW weights rather than "towing" weights.  You can trade weight between the trailer and vehicle within certain limits, as the overall limit is based on how much weight can actually be dragged up an incline.  On the flat-and-level, a fiat panda could probably pull 10 tonnes (slowly).  Up an incline though?  not likely.

It's part of the reason that anything with a low-box often has such a high towing capacity.  Shove it in low-box 1st, and you have enough gear reduction to be able to pull said weight up a hill.  Electric drive just doesn't have this ability.

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Old fashioned 4x4s generally had a rigid chassis so could tow 3.5 tons without distorting the body work which most monocoques can’t.

[Talbot]

  On 20/02/2023 at 15:07, Metal Guru said:

Old fashioned 4x4s generally had a rigid chassis so could tow 3.5 tons without distorting the body work which most monocoques can’t.

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Given that a unibody is generally stiffer than a chassis-type vehicle, I'm not sure that follows.

[Metal Guru]

  On 20/02/2023 at 15:15, Talbot said:

Given that a unibody is generally stiffer than a chassis-type vehicle, I'm not sure that follows.

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The actual body might be less but the chassis is rigid. I had a Daihatsu Fourtrak, the body was made of thin metal and fibreglass but the chassis was like girders.

[Barry Cade]

  On 20/02/2023 at 12:51, Talbot said:

Seeing this more and more.  I am sure I have read that one of the considerations vehicle manufacturers have to take into account is the weight a vehicle can tow up a 1-in-6 hill (which is bloody steep actually).  WIth the direct-drive fixed ratio of motor-to-wheels, they just cannot tow 2+tonnes up such an incline.

This is also why vehicles have GTW weights rather than "towing" weights.  You can trade weight between the trailer and vehicle within certain limits, as the overall limit is based on how much weight can actually be dragged up an incline.  On the flat-and-level, a fiat panda could probably pull 10 tonnes (slowly).  Up an incline though?  not likely.

It's part of the reason that anything with a low-box often has such a high towing capacity.  Shove it in low-box 1st, and you have enough gear reduction to be able to pull said weight up a hill.  Electric drive just doesn't have this ability.

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Just remember this Is a hybrid,  but has a 2.5 petrol engine. Other Rav models can tow 1600kg, so no problem with body strength etc. All to do with the hybrid and the vehicles weight.. any caravanners out there, look after what you have... this looks like the future.

[sheffcortinacentre]

Yet another hidden reason why these things are impractical in the real world I believe that towing can easily more than half their range too.

[sutty2006]

  On 20/02/2023 at 17:43, Barry Cade said:

Just remember this Is a hybrid,  but has a 2.5 petrol engine. Other Rav models can tow 1600kg, so no problem with body strength etc. All to do with the hybrid and the vehicles weight.. any caravanners out there, look after what you have... this looks like the future.

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The wife currently has a 20 plate Rav 4 hybrid. I looked into its towing capacity when we first had it and was shocked. It seams the 2wd versions aren’t type approved for anything over what the manufacturer states. 750+50…. Or something like that? But I think the 4wd version can tow much higher weight. I have seen these cars with tow bars but unless you’re using a small garden trailer, there’s no point even fitting one to a 2wd. Shame really as the new rav4 is a nice steer! 

[AnnoyingPentium]

  On 20/02/2023 at 17:43, Barry Cade said:

Just remember this Is a hybrid,  but has a 2.5 petrol engine. Other Rav models can tow 1600kg, so no problem with body strength etc. All to do with the hybrid and the vehicles weight.. any caravanners out there, look after what you have... this looks like the future.

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That's why my Grampa isn't changing car. There's nothing he's overly keen on in the large family class that's either heavy enough to tow, or cheap enough for him to buy outright. He doesn't want one of these horrid crossover lumps either.

[Erebus]

Spotted on Facebook:

[bunglebus]

What do we think, tacho fitted?

[Barry Cade]

  On 27/02/2023 at 16:42, bunglebus said:

What do we think, tacho fitted?

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Could be legit. Should be under 3.5t if the Sprinter is empty and might not be hire or reward 😄

[sutty2006]

  On 27/02/2023 at 21:22, Barry Cade said:

Could be legit. Should be under 3.5t if the Sprinter is empty and might not be hire or reward 😄

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I’d be more worried about the weather forecast. One good cross wind would see that on its side 🤣

[Barry Cade]

  On 27/02/2023 at 21:52, sutty2006 said:

I’d be more worried about the weather forecast. One good cross wind would see that on its side 🤣

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That's what the windsock on the back door is for 😆

[sheffcortinacentre]

  On 27/02/2023 at 10:37, Erebus said:

Spotted on Facebook:

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Seen many towing caravans over the years.

[sheffcortinacentre]

  On 27/02/2023 at 23:12, sheffcortinacentre said:

Seen many towing caravans over the years.

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Early 80'svone in Sheffield the old guy has had for years tows a 10ft 4  berth with it

[adw1977]

848cc

[sdkrc]

[groovylee]

Not sure I'll be towing much with this one 🤣

[Stuew]

 

 

[High Jetter]

  On 21/11/2023 at 20:36, groovylee said:

Not sure I'll be towing much with this one 🤣

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2 tyred?

[Matty]

  On 21/11/2023 at 20:36, groovylee said:

Not sure I'll be towing much with this one 🤣

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Dunno, is it not rear engined? Imagine the traction with a twin axle caravan on the back as well!!!

[sheffcortinacentre]

Imagine the type of idiot who'd try to tow a twin axle caravan with that.

[groovylee]

  On 22/11/2023 at 18:52, sheffcortinacentre said:

Imagine the type of idiot who'd try to tow a twin axle caravan with that.

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*Unhooks caravan and backs away slowly, whistling* 

"Not me" 🤣