The grumpy thread

[FredTransit]

Again, this will have to have an age rather than a date, as 1980 will be thirty years ago next year, surely 30 years is more than retro?

[dollywobbler]

Again, this will have to have an age rather than a date, as 1980 will be thirty years ago next year, surely 30 years is more than retro?

Well, possibly. But the point is that Vintage is fixed. Classic covers 'anything old' and even includes Nineties stuff currently.

[Pillock]

The other day, after having the rant about pillocks (no offence intended)

[Guest]

Not this old chestnut again! It's never bothered me that much what anything is referred to, if someone wants to refer to the Charmant as a vintage, classic, retro, old, new (?) car, whatever really.Although I did hear a scrappage ad on the radio which mentioned "your 10 year old jalopy", as if it was an Austin 7 or something.

[FredTransit]

The BBC called my Mk2 a 'Vintage Transit' on a payment advise once, made me laugh!

[Mash]

I'm with dollywobbler on this one; Veteran and Vintage are pre-defined periods up to 1931 and have been since at least the 50s. It's just that the average Joe/Joanne will generically refer to an old car as "vintage". Let's not open the "what is a classic car" can of worms again, pleeeeeeease!On the Pug 307/308, I've done a fair few miles in both and I have to say I prefer the 307 all round in terms of styling and driving experience. IMO the 308 is a retrograde step in most respects. The looks are just abysmal.

[Spottedlaurel]

My rant – swearing. I don’t like it on forums, in real life, wherever - using it regularly just makes it meaningless for the times when it becomes really, really necessary. I grew up thinking that intelligent wording and discussion made swearing unnecessary. But I’m probably just old-fashioned.Seems like a lot of the posts I read on here nowadays are full of swearing (yes, I understand it’s used in an ironic way sometimes). I thought this was the last bastion of intelligent, reasoned discourse? There are precious few places where that’s possible. Also makes it a bit difficult for me to read it at home if the children are about.I appreciate The Management here have a light touch when it comes to moderation and censorship, but perhaps that’s because they hope that intelligent people on here can censor and moderate themselves?... Or is the above just my opinion?

[Mash]

My rant – swearing. I don’t like it on forums, in real life, wherever - using it regularly just makes it meaningless for the times when it becomes really, really necessary. I grew up thinking that intelligent wording and discussion made swearing unnecessary. But I’m probably just old-fashioned.Seems like a lot of the posts I read on here nowadays are full of swearing (yes, I understand it’s used in an ironic way sometimes). I thought this was the last bastion of intelligent, reasoned discourse? There are precious few places where that’s possible. Also makes it a bit difficult for me to read it at home if the children are about.I appreciate The Management here have a light touch when it comes to moderation and censorship, but perhaps that’s because they hope that intelligent people on here can censor and moderate themselves?... Or is the above just my opinion?

I think you're right, there does seem to have been a slight escalation in bad language on here of late and I hold my hand up to being guilty of it myself when no doubt unnecessary (possibly in at least two posts on this page alone.... )Perhaps a virtual swear box is required?

[dollywobbler]

That's just b*ll*cks SL! I swear for effect. Perhaps it's a frustration from not being able to do so in print. I don't drop them in without reason but sometimes, I think strong language can be used well. The words exist for a reason.I wouldn't consider 'what a fucking mess' necessary if describing a chavvy Corsa, but "FUCK! I dropped a soldering iron on me bits!" is entirely appropriate. Or when describing Peter Mandleson.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I dont mind a bit of swearing, but agree it should not get out of hand, not cos i am a prude but because if you swear all the time then it becomes just another word and the point of the word becomes lost. Supply and demand innit. dont over supply, then you will get a good price for it when you do release a few profanities onto the SWEARDAQ 100 INDEX.I like the work 'fuggin' cos it conjures up images of old farmer hayseed types describing (over a warm pint of ale) the tribulations of loading an un-cooperative sheep into a trailer. plus it sort of has the required swear effect without needing to risk offending anyone.

[dollywobbler]

I'm glad someone called Mr Bollox doesn't mind a bit of swearing!

[Guest]

Yeah, we should knock the swearing on the head a bit. I reckon this scrappage scheme has got us all hot and bothered!I've always been one for using the most comically mild swearwords like "bugger" and "bloody", but I've never been able to help that - I didn't even know "bugger" was even considered a swearword until I ventured outside of Yorkshire once. Force of habit I suppose.I concur with the above though really, "proper" swearing isn't too bad now and then but it should be for genuinely unavoidable situations, otherwise it loses its impact.I like the fact that there's no swearword filter on here and OJC is the same - I reckon that if you have one it just encourages people to swear more, like it's made more acceptable by having some asterisks in it.The irony of this place being called Autoshite is not lost on me, though!

[Albert Ross]

LOL@Hirst...... Bugger=Force of habit!ISWYDT! Very good. You should be in Parliament.

[wuvvum]

I'm with dollywobbler on this one; Veteran and Vintage are pre-defined periods up to 1931 and have been since at least the 50s.

I wasn't aware that there was such a fixed definition. I've always considered "vintage" to be anything pre-WW2, plus the rehashed prewar cars that were produced immediately after the war. I'd certainly consider a 1947 Vauxhall Ten, for example, to be a vintage car. On the other hand, a 1947 Jowett Javelin would not be.Re the swearing thing - I have a natural tendency to be a bit foul-mouthed (or foul-fingered in the case of internet fora). I don't say "fuck" every other word, but I probably swear more than I ought to. That said, I would rather have the setup on here where swearing is pretty much self-moderated and you can let rip with a good expletive when you feel the need, than the one over on RR where anything and everything that even vaguely resembles profanity is censored.

[Justin Case]

Veteran is pre-1905 I believe (or something like that) Vintage is also a defined period in time. Classic is a huge area and I do think it needs to change. I reckon Retro from 1980 onwards is ok, so that'd leave classic as 1930-1980. Which is about right I think.

 

Some cars of the 30s are called Post Vintage Thoroughbreds:

http://www.vscc.co.uk/vsccweb/membershi ... PageID=115

 

Perhaps we can extend this; any thing not on that list is Post Vintage Shite, 1945-1975 Post War Shite, (MGB not on that list ) and just Shite for anything later.

Concours de Shite can then be held for the various classes; points would be deducted for matching wheeltrims, polished engine bays, etc

[trigger]

It does make me laugh on RR when you say bugger or something like that and the swear filter comes up with jolly pain the the backside!.

[AnthonyG]

1. I see Volvo have introduced this automatic braking thingy on that big wanker van of theirs. The advert seems to condone gawping about whilst driving as it's OK, the car will brake for you. Madness, utter madness. Bring back metal dashboards - that'll make you concentrate!

100% AGREE. As it appeared I thought 'I wonder how many idiots who get one of those, or with something similar from another make, will use it as an reason to drive around with even less attention to the road than they currently do'

[Albert Ross]

I have metal everything on the interior of my motor. I can do nothing but concentrate on the road. Anything else is impossible at 26mph.

[Timewaster]

^^^ Agreed!I work with people who swear so much, there is more swear words than not.I try and filter it but find myself doing it sometimes.The worst case will fill the gaps in his speach (where a normal person would use err, or umm) with "fucking".Example:I was F'ing in the whatchcall it f'ing er....f'ing post office, and this f'ing old woman in the f'ing er f'ing queue would not f'ing stop f'ing talking while she waited for her f'ing pension.So where do you go from there if that is a "normal" conversation? What do you say if you are angry?

[Justin Case]

I agree with all who have said that swearing in everyday chat loses its impact; it can also reflect worse on the swearer than who/what he is swearing at. I find the barbed insult better a better strategy; for example always putting the words 'our unelected' in front of 'Prime Minister' will hopefully do him more harm than just calling him a ******* or even a ****.

[Pete-M]

^^^ Agreed!I work with people who swear so much, there is more swear words than not.I try and filter it but find myself doing it sometimes.The worst case will fill the gaps in his speach (where a normal person would use err, or umm) with "fucking".Example:I was F'ing in the whatchcall it f'ing er....f'ing post office, and this f'ing old woman in the f'ing er f'ing queue would not f'ing stop f'ing talking while she waited for her f'ing pension.

That'll be me when I'm ranting.....

[Mr H Sceptre]

Yep, swearing generally works better when used in moderation - it has much more impact.I guess the nature of this particular thread, & the scrappage threads, have just got our collective backs up, which has led to slightly fruitier language. I'm pretty sure the majority of other threads are relatively swearword-free.Whoever it was who introduced the phrase 'boils my piss' needs to give themselves a pat on the back - the first time I read that I was nearly crying with laughter as I'd never heard it before. Genius.

[trigger]

I love that "boils my piss" term as well!Started using it a lot myself now, had the blokes in the messroom at work pissing themselfs the other day when i said it, they asked if it was some Essex boy saying!

[mouseflakes]

Perhaps a virtual swear box is required?

Great idea Mash.If anyone feels they've been a bit of a potty-mouth and wants to wash away their sins with some kindly giving, then feel free to click on the link below....http://www.justgiving.com/esmee4sense/Event will be in the next two weeks.If there are no posts from me in September you'll know I died trying.All I ask is they bury me with dignity (in the boot of Chrysler Alpine in the depths of Derwent Water).Thanks (and apologies if this kind of thing boils your piss). :DTim.

[Mr H Sceptre]

Good call there Tim - we better ramp up the swearing!

[whitevanman]

Yep, swearing generally works better when used in moderation - it has much more impact.I guess the nature of this particular thread, & the scrappage threads, have just got our collective backs up, which has led to slightly fruitier language. I'm pretty sure the majority of other threads are relatively swearword-free.Whoever it was who introduced the phrase 'boils my piss' needs to give themselves a pat on the back - the first time I read that I was nearly crying with laughter as I'd never heard it before. Genius.

First time I heard it was about 12 years ago... lad that worked for me. not bright, but thanks to that expression will go down in history in my world

[j-j]

My favourite Autoshite swear pseudonym is gotta be 'Chuffin'It's a chuffin brilliant word.

[chester drawers]

Thoughtless dog owners. Thanks for the opportunity to contract toxocariasis (amongst other things) by leaving your dog's shit everywhere on the public footpath again. Some of you look like you need worming so it’s unlikely you’ve extended that courtesy to your pet.Oh and your kids will be playing football on the school playing field again come September, but apparently there’s no problem with pooch having a dump right in the middle of the penalty area too then?An hour to thoroughly clean and disinfect my shoes and probably the same for my trainers after running tomorrow. Twats

[Milford Cubicle]

 

I once worked for a summer on grounds maintenance for the council. Great for getting dog shit whipped into your face by the strimmer cord.

[Gompo]

Kaiser Chiefs - Ruby...and any 'music' that i find as depressingly mediocre/safe/middle of the road as this dross.