Ford Sierra vs Mazda 626

[wrenchvolt]

Why are Ford Sierras (Excluding all the RS Cosworth stuff) worth so much money and something like a Mazda 626 not?

[MorrisItalSLX]

Ford scene tax innit?

[wrenchvolt]

Think so, my dad drove my 626 and said it went better than any 2.0L Sierra. I had Sierra 1.6 (with a 2.0L lump) when I was 19. Got it from a mate by trading a PS1 and £50.00! Sold it for £250.00, gave my mate £100.00. Bought a Reliant Rialto for £100.00 with 40k on it. Weird to think that some of the shat I have owned is actually worth money. The sierra was pretty boring a I remember.

[theorganist]

If you stuck a Ford badge on an Allegro it would be transformed from a rubbish BL car (not my opinion) to a masterpiece of design and worth £50,000 instantly.

 

I have to say that the Sierra is one of my top three cars and sadly I cannot afford one now. I can't see why they are worth so much in standard form as I know they were nothing special. I just like their styling (particularly the early ones) and used to drive dad's brown 1.6L and loved the really light steering and gearshift.

My aim was (and still is) to have three cars a Maxi, R14 and a Sierra, I have one out of the three, I may have missed the boat on the other two.

[wrenchvolt]

The organist, may I ask you to elaborate on your views on the Allegro? For some strange reason I'm becoming interested in these things.

[vulgalour]

It's because the Ford badge is shaped like an eye.  ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED.

[sierraman]

I’ve had one, it was a good car but the Mondeo was considerably better. Wouldn’t give anything like £2-3000 they go for though. It’s not like when I had them and they were old bangers, you wouldn’t be taking one sideways on the roundabout outside Safeways for worry about being unable to find an impossible to find rear wing. Years ago you’d just buy them, thrash fuck out of them then scrap them, not sure you’d be doing that these days as they are a bit of a commodity.

[skattrd]

Ford scene tax innit?

 

Yep, goes along with lots of cars.

Why is a Escort of similar vintage to my Lancia Beta worth so much more?

 

On the plus side it leaves the interesting. and often better cars for the likes of us to enjoy.

[sierraman]

That’s very true. The Sierra was a good car but there’s lots of other great 80s stuff that doesn’t command silly money. I was going to say Peugeot 405 but that’s another one where people are paying bananas money. Old cavaliers don’t seem to fetch a lot, probably a better car as well in a lot of ways.

[theorganist]

The organist, may I ask you to elaborate on your views on the Allegro? For some strange reason I'm becoming interested in these things.

I was just using that as an example as a maligned car which would be transformed by being a Ford. I like them, have had two and found them to be fun to drive, roomy and comfortable, but I am probably quite weird!

[fordperv]

Ford scene tax innit?

Bang on the money there

[wrenchvolt]

I've heard the usual motoring press about them being, well, you know the rest. I just think if something is still around after 40 years, it must of had something going for it?

[sierraman]

Old Mondeos will be the next bitcoin if you believe what prices people ask on fleabay.

[Lord Sterling]

I find that Ford scene tax seems to only exist in Britain. In France/Belgium/Turkey and other places I've lived/been to, Fords are really still seen as 'moderate' marque. Older versions like the Sierra are not stupidly "taxed" like over here. I think the media and those in the market with plenty of money to spend plus the gossip that comes from it is really the process of driving up the prices of certain marques.

 

Over here, we also have a domino effect of pricing. Once something becomes subject to that "tax" anything associated with it also has that "tax" slapped on it. Usually not as much but enough to drive the 'cheap and cheerful' market away and attract the enthusiast with a bit of wedge.

[D Spares & Tyres]

People have fond memories of Sierras. They were everywhere. Most people could recall a Sierra based story. I have a few.

 

Very few can remember a Mazda 626 or tell you what it looks like. I may have overtaken one that was doing 30 in a 60 but I can't recall that. Probably

 

Not many people are going to hanker after a relatively rare car that went about its job quietly and reliably whilst blending into the background.

[wrenchvolt]

I wouldn’t mind doing some sort of real life, shitters version head to head comparison of the 2 cars. Mpg's, behind the wheel owners opinions kind of thing.

[cort16]

Fords are weird though most cortina and Granada’s don’t make astonishingly great money .

Some sierras make decent money but I posted a nice one on the eBay thread for 1500 quid. Marinas nd allegros are making that money now and more .

 

Most of it is nostalgia they don’t drive amazing but at least they’re rear wheel drive .

[Bradders59]

Old Fords must be the most over rated cars in the world. I had a 2.0 Sierra for quite a while, and it was the most bland tedious character lacking (although reliable) carI have ever had the misfortune to own.

I had a Mk1 Crapi and it was just a boring Cortina with a bonnet that was far too long, for no good reason.

Old rwd sporty Escorts were nice fun, forgiving cars to drive quickly, but the prices they go for now are beyond ridiculous.

[danthecapriman]

Great. A Ford bashing thread. Wonderful!

 

Old Fords must be the most over rated cars in the world. I had a 2.0 Sierra for quite a while, and it was the most bland tedious character lacking (although reliable) carI have ever had the misfortune to own.

I had a Mk1 Crapi and it was just a boring Cortina with a bonnet that was far too long, for no good reason.

Old rwd sporty Escorts were nice fun, forgiving cars to drive quickly, but the prices they go for now are beyond ridiculous.

I feel the exact same about French cars. I do however refrain from posting such nonsense. There’s plenty of people here who like them.

[wrenchvolt]

I like the idea of having some sort of table, showing over priced "classics" compared with it's shite equivalent. Would be very interesting and quite provocative.

[Noel Tidybeard]

i could never clutchless gear change in a sierror like i could in my montego- but then a sierror doesnt wear a honda gearbox like the montego did- never used anything sweeter to this day!

[Timewaster]

I am no Ford hater, there are 3 on my drive but it is true. Old Fords ARE overrated. Or at least over valued.

 

I don't know why. I don't get the hype.

 

My mechanic mate has a immaculate series 1 RS turbo he has owned for years. I've driven it a couple of times.

 

It's okay. I wouldn't buy one.

 

But grown men drool at it like it was a million pound supercar. He has to turn down offers for it on a weekly basis.

 

Sierras have rocketed in value. Halo effect of the Cosworth to some extent.

Plus you can break any old snotter and list the bits on eBay as RS and pay off your mortgage.

 

This week I saw a rear shelf and speaker grills - from a Cosworth but pretty poor condition for £125

The last Sierra I sold went for less than that.

 

IMHO Cavaliers were better cars, particularly the bread and butter versions but they have almost no following or value at all.

[big_al_granvia]

dont all fords come with the previous owners mig welder? sierras even the bland ones were good fun sideways, also supply and demand as sierras are still the weapon of choice for stock car racers, even pinto engines are getting silly money as they are used in saloon stox

[Timewaster]

Great. A Ford bashing thread. Wonderful!

 

 

I feel the exact same about French cars. I do however refrain from posting such nonsense. There’s plenty of people here who like them.

You bit.

 

Don't feed the trolls!

[Pillock]

An Escort RS Turbo has 132bhp, 0-60 in 8.2 seconds and 125mph top end. It would have it's arse handed to it on a plate by exotica such as a Mondeo TDCI.

 

But they're not for going faster than everyone else. They're for remembering when they were the most incredible thing on the roads, just like your Nan's 1.3GL but kitted and colour coded with a turbocharger and stripes.

 

I'd have one, or an RS Cosworth, or any number of "fast" Fords. I'd probably be disappointed if I drove it to the limit but that's sort of missing the point of them these days.

[Captain Furious]

Sierras must have had a recent sharp spike in value because it wasn’t that long ago someone was trying to shift a tidy looking sapphire on here and really struggled at 600 quid (I think, might have been slightly more or less but that sort of ball park). I’ve never owned one, probably never will, but there is something about the way a Sierra drives that I can’t adequately put into words, it’s just nice.

 

The only fords which don’t see to be going bonkers in value are Mk2 Granada’s, they are obviously waiting until I have sold mine.

[Jim Bergerac]

People have fond memories of Sierras. They were everywhere. Most people could recall a Sierra based story. I have a few.

 

Very few can remember a Mazda 626 or tell you what it looks like. I may have overtaken one that was doing 30 in a 60 but I can't recall that. Probably

 

Not many people are going to hanker after a relatively rare car that went about its job quietly and reliably whilst blending into the background.

This.

 

A lot of the Ford scene tax is because they have for so long been the most common make of car in Britain so they have that "my dad had one of those" or "I had one of those as my first car" appeal to a lot more people than something like a Mazda. Add a sprinkling of magic from the fast versions or racing and you get the reason for that scene tax. I don't even think it's just a Ford thing, plenty of erstwhile street furniture seems to get a bit of value as it ages though not to as great an extent as Fords.

[cort16]

Mk2 Granada's and Cortina's and Sierra's aren't crazy money. Have a look at the prices of the period competition, Mk1,2 and 3 Cavaliers are all getting good money especially if they're the sporty ones.

Any really high priced ones are either really special, speculators or chances.

Some old Japanese stuff has gone crazy too (although granted mazda 626's aren't one of them).

 

There are far more MGB's on the road than Sierra's

[wrenchvolt]

Not crazy money no, agreed. IMO there are classics, chod and this weird category that's being labelled as classic. The latter usually being some generic workhorse of the day with spec to match. These are usually chod being sold for real money. £1500.00 buys a bit of a ratty Sierra. I saw a mint 626 with 20k miles struggling to get £2k.  I'm starting to get interested in producing a comparison table between chod classics and chod. Comparing the virtues of each and the price difference.

[Timewaster]

Wrenchvolt. if you have the time, please do.

 

I don't have time. And if I did, it would take me a month to get around to it.