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[stuboy]

11 hours ago, garbaldy said:

Have you never been pulled for them ?

nope

[garbaldy]

Just now, stuboy said:

nope

Lucky man.

I bought a car two weeks ago and was stopped on the way home for a traveling  necessity  check,  journey explanation passed muster wank plates earned me a fine, the twats.

[HMC]

2 minutes ago, wuvvum said:

Can somebody please explain to me how a numberplate can be four-dimensional?

The 3 dimensions of space and then the DVLA. A whole extra dimension.

[HMC]

Apparently normal space and time Doesn’t exist there nor the laws of thermodynamics. Energy  (as paper )  can simply vanish.

[Yoss]

15 hours ago, SiC said:

Went up to storage today and finally put my other two cars on charge.

MGB is always awkward due to the battery location. Also not helped by both cars being storage sheds for the Dolomite.


I really don't want to break this.


In this I noticed the last garage who was in here (and changed the fuel pump) had put an additional earth wire in for the pump. I guess it was useful thing to do, but it is a bit bodgy to my liking. I've removed it for now as I'll do it a bit better.

Fitted on the battery charge cable


Then put it down underneath. This one has a handy flashing light to tell you the state of charge.


Hooked up the extension cable.


And plugged it all in


1100 was easier and this I just used the croc clips. If it was a permanent keeper I would have probably hooked it in the same. The car is supposed to be sold by now as it funded the BMW E28 purchase, but unfortunately the original buyer (a mate) had to pull out. Not too fussed as I might have a bit of fun in the spring before putting it back up on the market anyway. Can't imagine it should be too hard to shift either.



Finally I bought a second hand 123 ignition. Now the silly thing is that I have a brand new one I bought from Rimmers at Xmas. However this one was too cheap to not buy! The one I got from Rimmers is a configurable curve unit which will be great when I finally get the MGB engine rebuilt but the other one is plug and play.

"Thanks again for another purchase"
Yeah thanks for reminding me again that I spend far too much on your platform.

I've looked at 123 distributors but never quite taken the plunge. Have you tried using either of yours yet? I had Lumenition electronic ignition on my Triumph 1300TC for about 15 years. It was getting harder to start when, a couple of years back, it just died at a local roundabout on one of the few times Mrs Yoss was in it. A bit of investigation found no spark. So I removed the spare distributor with new* points set to the correct gap that I had been carrying in the boot for the entire 15 years I had the Lumenition set up 'just in case', fitted it and it fired first time. As we were near home Mrs Yoss insisted we go home and get one of the Škodas despite my protestations that I'd fixed it (doesn't count as a breakdown in my book if you get it going again). It's been running trouble free on points ever since. 

I looked at new electronic ignition at the time, including the 123 which looks lovely if nothing else, but there are so many different types now I got flummoxed and forgot all about it. In my day Lumenition was all there was so the choice wasn't hard. Just wondered if you'd had any experience of it? Is it worth the extra over some of the cheap ones?

[chadders]

I've had a 123 on a VW T2 for 8 years now.

Expensive but worth it in my opinion.

[DodgeRover]

1 hour ago, Flashband said:

I very rarely post on here and having not been here that long I don't have the background to some of the history being laundered.

What I can say is this forum has been running for a long time and in that time laws have been introduced around what can be said with penalties for non compliance.

The idea some have of returning to halcyon days of no or light handed moderation is simply not possible today

If anyone doesent agree with laws governing online content then agitate for change, but not on a car forum

What pray tell law do you think Bollox infringed upon with his constant anti Brexit posts?

[Flashband]

5 minutes ago, DodgeRover said:

What pray tell law do you think Bollox infringed upon with his constant anti Brexit posts?

I wasn't commenting on what bollox did or didn't say merely pointing out it's not feasible to have a high traffic forum without moderation to remove comments which could be construed as racist homophobic etc

[DodgeRover]

Just now, Flashband said:

I wasn't commenting on what bollox did or didn't say merely pointing out it's not feasible to have a high traffic forum without moderation to remove comments which could be construed as racist homophobic etc 

Seriously have you ever used social* media, I don't see Facebook being sued a billion times a day for allowing it to be hosted.

[Flashband]

I've also noticed a number of posters who openly state they don't like autoshite yet seem only to post detrimental things.

If you don't like this place please go elsewhere and stop trying to troll users

Regarding Facebook, see how mumsnet were sued for what amounted to a few words.

 

Signing out of this thread 

 

[loserone]

Have you seen how much FB have to invest in moderators to deal with reports and remove illegal content?

[loserone]

1 minute ago, Flashband said:

I've also noticed a number of posters who openly state they don't like autoshite yet seem only to post detrimental things.

Sadly there's a little gang who have decided to take every opportunity to be arseholes without bringing any content.

 

E.g.

[MarvinsMom]

31 minutes ago, Yoss said:

I've looked at 123 distributors but never quite taken the plunge. Have you tried using either of yours yet? I had Lumenition electronic ignition on my Triumph 1300TC for about 15 years. It was getting harder to start when, a couple of years back, it just died at a local roundabout on one of the few times Mrs Yoss was in it. A bit of investigation found no spark. So I removed the spare distributor with new* points set to the correct gap that I had been carrying in the boot for the entire 15 years I had the Lumenition set up 'just in case', fitted it and it fired first time. As we were near home Mrs Yoss insisted we go home and get one of the Škodas despite my protestations that I'd fixed it (doesn't count as a breakdown in my book if you get it going again). It's been running trouble free on points ever since. 

I looked at new electronic ignition at the time, including the 123 which looks lovely if nothing else, but there are so many different types now I got flummoxed and forgot all about it. In my day Lumenition was all there was so the choice wasn't hard. Just wondered if you'd had any experience of it? Is it worth the extra over some of the cheap ones?

i have wondered about going pointless on both the metro and the mini 1000,

BUT as you say, there are that many ones out there and i dunno which are any good, and which are crap.

and as both are happy enough ,so far (touch wood) on points i have left them well enough alone.

as a cautionary tail, we did once change the points in the Metro not long after i bought it.

i got a new set from Unipart in York, we put them in the car, gaped them and and that, only for the shiney new points to weld themselves shut after only using the car a coupleof times.

so i got kerry  to put the original set back in, and well i don't think we have  had any problems with the car since.

well i say  that, remembering that the metro has not been touched in nearly 18 months since the bat flu started!

[garbaldy]

11 minutes ago, loserone said:

Sadly there's a little gang who have decided to take every opportunity to be arseholes without bringing any content.

 

E.g.

I'm sorry but what exactly are you trying to so with this post ?   Isn't it exactly the same as what they are doing ?

[loserone]

Just now, garbaldy said:

I'm sorry but what exactly are you trying to so with this post ?   Isn't it exactly the same as what they are doing ?

How?

[garbaldy]

1 minute ago, loserone said:

How?

Adding a screen shot of what's said on another forum is for what reason exactly ?

I can't think of one that doesn't involve stirring to be honest, I'm not sure that's was your intention having met you but it sure as hell looks that way from this side of the fence.

Words on a screen are very easily misinterpreted unfortunatly so forgive me if I'm wrong.

[Saabnut]

I try very hard not to comment on these things, but just occasionally it is even harder not to. I have my own forum so see things from both sides. There are always people who are not happy with the mods. There are always questionable decisions when viewed from one side, but only the mods know what is going on in the background. One major car forum no longer exists because a post was not moderated, the site had to close, either that or the mods faced court. Never under estimate the vindictiveness  of people. The comparison with FB is laughable, they have the budget to fight back, AS (nor my own forum) does not.

When these subjects come up, every year or so, it is the same few who are (mostly) active on the other forum who make the most noise. That forum shouted about no moderation, then through necessity became light moderation. When I tried to sign up in the early days, my request was ignored, so I am not a member there nor will I be. The ultimate moderation is surely selecting who can join?

Right, you will be pleased to hear I am going back to being quiet, but somebody has to support the mods occasionally, who whilst far from being perfect, keep this OLD CAR forum going and out of court. 

[red5]

52 minutes ago, Flashband said:

I wasn't commenting on what bollox did or didn't say merely pointing out it's not feasible to have a high traffic forum without moderation to remove comments which could be construed as racist homophobic etc

No you didn't, you specifically ruled out light touch (your words) moderation.  Based on what?  There are plenty of successful forums that apply just that. 

Sweeping statement, mic drop.  End of debate* then?

*Not that there is much of one, much to the overall detriment of the forum.

 

[loserone]

I think there are a few folk who are getting the impression that the moderators on here are just on a power trip or are being incredibly unreasonable. 

 

I don't think that's the case.  I think there are 4-5 shitstirrers who are persistently trying to get the moderators to make questionable or plain decisions in order to "get even" for stuff that a different set of moderators did two years ago.  I think that is a pretty unreasonable way to behave, and it's nearly always the same bunch, egged on by their mates.  I'm not sure this is obvious to all, hence the screenshot.  It's merely an example, and is certainly not the most unpleasant comment posted on there; it's positively well written and comparatively polite.  

TBF, the dark wob is an interesting place in itself, there's a bit of content, about equally spaced out by bitching about folk on here, complaining about the good old days, and general antivax / climate change denial.  It has its own character 😁

I don't think that the lack of transparency on moderation decisions is a good thing, though I can see it would make life easier in some cases and I wouldn't want to have to justify every action and any kind of statement will undoubtedly be picked apart.

[wuvvum]

17 minutes ago, Saabnut said:

I try very hard not to comment on these things, but just occasionally it is even harder not to. I have my own forum so see things from both sides. There are always people who are not happy with the mods. There are always questionable decisions when viewed from one side, but only the mods know what is going on in the background. One major car forum no longer exists because a post was not moderated, the site had to close, either that or the mods faced court.

There was a worry during Modgate Episode 1 that the same might happen here when ole Breadbin started throwing around threats of legal action.  Whether or not that's had an influence on the subsequent moderating style I can't say - I tried not to get involved and therefore probably missed a lot of the background - but I doubt it will have helped.

[SiC]

1 hour ago, Yoss said:

I looked at new electronic ignition at the time, including the 123 which looks lovely if nothing else, but there are so many different types now I got flummoxed and forgot all about it. In my day Lumenition was all there was so the choice wasn't hard. Just wondered if you'd had any experience of it? Is it worth the extra over some of the cheap ones?

Essentially most of them are the same thing. They have a magnet that goes on the rotor arm and a hall effect sensor in a pickup. When the magnet passes the sensor, it senses this and causes a transistor to switch. As there is no moving parts and fully solid state, in theory there should not be any contacts to wear out. 

The better ones also measure the current from the coil. This ensures to fully charge the coil without overheating from saturation. Effectively an auto adaptive dwell. Quite easy thing to do in solid state electronics with a microcontroller.

The issue is that some of these, like everything nowadays, are built to a price. Lumenition is one of the few that is built well. Unfortunately they are way over priced even for that. I have one in the Dolomite as the distributor in that is bespoke to the Sprint only and came with the car. I've not actually driven the car to know, but I hear it makes a big difference.

With the 123, it's different proposition to the others. Like the above it has a magnetic pickup. But the key thing is that it's a brand new, machined distributor designed from the ground up for electronic use. So the timing is fully controlled electronically and there is a air pressure sensor to provide vacuum advanced. They also use Bosch/Beru distributor caps that are still of high quality and readily available.

The issue with many distributors out there is that they are knackered. So putting something like a Powerspark or Lumenition in won't resolve the fact the weights are slopping all over the place and the rotor is wobbling around, giving inaccurate timing. You can get a distributor rebuilt - I enquired at the Distributor Doctor (deemed to be one of the best in the UK). It was coming in at £300 iirc. I was tempted but for that money I could get a brand new 123 ignition with its superior rotor+cap and the fact it won't wear anywhere near as quickly as a rebuilt traditional. As it's fully solid state, a 123 has the additional advantage of being tunable and having the advance curves altered easily without having to strip the dizzy. As the rotor is directly connected to the engine shaft, there isn't much load on it, thus reducing the potential for wear and loosing accuracy.

[red5]

Weren't those threats at the end of a long argument and made in exasperation at ridiculousness / pettiness by some iirc. If only a glitch hadn't removed it.

Shame it came to that. Should have had a light touch well before it. Forum lost a decent car type and a little bit of its gentleness.  I has the pleasure of meeting him a couple of times, like most here I suspect, there is more in common with others than not.  Might even be cars. 

I apologise if I seem to be 'stirring' as mentioned earlier, not sure if it's a veiled dig or not, nor do I really care (about the dig).  It's not. I am bothered by it all, the hypocrisy, favouritism, downright lies and individual hidden agendas. 

 

[SiC]

1 hour ago, MarvinsMom said:

i have wondered about going pointless on both the metro and the mini 1000,

BUT as you say, there are that many ones out there and i dunno which are any good, and which are crap.

and as both are happy enough ,so far (touch wood) on points i have left them well enough alone.

as a cautionary tail, we did once change the points in the Metro not long after i bought it.

i got a new set from Unipart in York, we put them in the car, gaped them and and that, only for the shiney new points to weld themselves shut after only using the car a coupleof times.

so i got kerry  to put the original set back in, and well i don't think we have  had any problems with the car since.

well i say  that, remembering that the metro has not been touched in nearly 18 months since the bat flu started!

The biggest problem with aftermarket points is the really crap condensers. Only new ones I've found decent are the HQ ones from Moss. I believe they are the Distributor Doctor ones. The points themselves are actually pretty decent quality, but it's the condenser that stops condensing which causes the points to burn out.

Having stripped down a Powerspark distributor pickup, Sparkrite points assisted unit, CSI-ignition replacement distributor and the 123 ignition replacement distributor. The only one that I would trust is the 123. It's head and shoulders the best mechanical and electrical design out of all of them. 

[red5]

One of my friends friends has had two aftermarket kits fail - both times in "new" crossflow type 45Ds.  Penny-wise Pound-foolish for ignition, but happy to spend on steel blocks etc etc 🤔

[chaseracer]

12 minutes ago, SiC said:

Essentially most of them are the same thing. They have a magnet that goes on the rotor arm and a hall effect sensor in a pickup. When the magnet passes the sensor, it senses this and causes a transistor to switch. As there is no moving parts and fully solid state, in theory there should not be any contacts to wear out. 

The better ones also measure the current from the coil. This ensures to fully charge the coil without overheating from saturation. Effectively an auto adaptive dwell. Quite easy thing to do in solid state electronics with a microcontroller.

The issue is that some of these, like everything nowadays, are built to a price. Lumenition is one of the few that is built well. Unfortunately they are way over priced even for that. I have one in the Dolomite as the distributor in that is bespoke to the Sprint only and came with the car. I've not actually driven the car to know, but I hear it makes a big difference.

With the 123, it's different proposition to the others. Like the above it has a magnetic pickup. But the key thing is that it's a brand new, machined distributor designed from the ground up for electronic use. So the timing is fully controlled electronically and there is a air pressure sensor to provide vacuum advanced. They also use Bosch/Beru distributor caps that are still of high quality and readily available.

The issue with many distributors out there is that they are knackered. So putting something like a Powerspark or Lumenition in won't resolve the fact the weights are slopping all over the place and the rotor is wobbling around, giving inaccurate timing. You can get a distributor rebuilt - I enquired at the Distributor Doctor (deemed to be one of the best in the UK). It was coming in at £300 iirc. I was tempted but for that money I could get a brand new 123 ignition with its superior rotor+cap and the fact it won't wear anywhere near as quickly as a rebuilt traditional. As it's fully solid state, a 123 has the additional advantage of being tunable and having the advance curves altered easily without having to strip the dizzy. As the rotor is directly connected to the engine shaft, there isn't much load on it, thus reducing the potential for wear and loosing accuracy.

I've had a 123 on the Dyane since the engine rebuild in 2003.  Works well.

[High Jetter]

3 hours ago, SiC said:

 

Oof! What blue is that? Grille looks very early, and vinyl roof? Engine bay looks very smart.

[HMC]

^ whatever’s next to it looks a similar shade (looks mgbish so pageant blue on the b (?)and isn’t the jury out on the origins of the 1100’s)

[High Jetter]

Pageant is a possibility. Grille looks Mk1, but on a F plate? Indicators/sidelamps Mk2? Going from (distant) memory here.

[Cord Fourteener]

3 hours ago, wuvvum said:

Can somebody please explain to me how a numberplate can be four-dimensional?

Because it evolves though time?

[Cord Fourteener]

Got the obligatory.

Apparently the originator got a Cease and Desist letter from the Chinese Moose. That's not on.

However, they are still being printed as bootlegs.