The new news 24 thread

[MikeR]

apparently the Green lane end of Old Swan is now the place to live  ..

just down the road from the old meat market opposite the knocking shop where a footballer got his knee wobblers off a granny ...

thats class

 

[dean36014]

I like rover 75's, love the dashboard and also voted for *rexit. Where does that leave me?🤣🤣

[loserone]

42 minutes ago, HMC said:

I think it’s unfortunate that the forum lose a lot of its colour these last few years. 

Yes, but we have a not insignificant section of the (interesting content creating, really should be here and free to post their own opinions) forum members feeling like they can't voice their own opinions, so when they see this

They feel the need to do this

 

To play the moderation team into making this type of shit decision for shits and giggles; that is, to moderate when really people should be left the fuck alone.  

 

To be clear, I might be a loony lefty but I think this should apply right across the board.  Can we have some colour back please?

 

 

 

[red5]

13 minutes ago, Sheefag said:

This debacle has Ursula von der Leyen's prints all over it.

Organising it is a thankless task.

[chadders]

2 minutes ago, dean36014 said:

I like rover 75's, love the dashboard and also voted for *rexit. Where does that leave me?🤣🤣

Ursula Von Der Leyens fall guy?

[red5]

3 minutes ago, dean36014 said:

I like rover 75's, love the dashboard and also voted for *rexit. Where does that leave me?🤣🤣

Responsible for all the hatecrime in the world.

I've had 3 of them, well, one was a ZT-T and enjoyed everyone, even the 1.8T.

Damn. Now I'm looking.

[DodgeRover]

4 minutes ago, dean36014 said:

I like rover 75's, love the dashboard and also voted for *rexit. Where does that leave me?🤣🤣

Getting a Christmas card from Marine LePenn?

[dean36014]

11 minutes ago, DodgeRover said:

Getting a Christmas card from Marine LePenn?

Should add all my vehicles also have lest we forget stickers on them too. I'm a very proud grandson of a ww2 Lancaster navigator. I have to say I was offended by being categorised by Bollox when he posted the original comment. I'm proud of my heritage

[red5]

6 minutes ago, loserone said:

Yes, but we have a not insignificant section of the (interesting content creating, really should be here and free to post their own opinions) forum members feeling like they can't voice their own opinions, so when they see this

They feel the need to do this

 

To play the moderation team into making this type of shit decision for shits and giggles; that is, to moderate when really people should be left the fuck alone.  

 

To be clear, I might be a loony lefty but I think this should apply right across the board.  Can we have some colour back please?

 

 

 

I found that out of order, but he's entitled to his opinion - unfortunately, any response or debate would be Moderated/Locked as per normal MO.

So, by the 'Standards' employed here for Moderation it was well overdue, if somewhat surprising. 

 

[red5]

2 minutes ago, dean36014 said:

Should add all my vehicles also have lest we forget stickers on them too. I'm a very proud grandson of a ww2 Lancaster navigator.

No stickers, but the same of a Forgotten Army RE. One who fought to ensure the freedom of speech that some use to deny others that very same.

 

Odd, thought it didn't bother me anymore - Modgate, the utter shit, lies and mealymouthing from the professionally offended here. So I'll apologise for going on in case I've upset anyone. I'm a half-decent sort in general* ( I think ) and not easily riled, but this is ridiculous.

[Split_Pin]

There is a reflection on the temperature gauge area of the binnacle screen on Rover 75s if you are of a certain height meaning you cant see where the needle is at. There is irony in there somewhere as the gauge is engineered to be linear until it's too late.

[loserone]

4 minutes ago, red5 said:

Odd, thought it didn't bother me anymore - Modgate, the utter shit, lies and mealymouthing from the professionally offended here.

Indeed.  It's two years since that escapade and yet here we are again

[Wilko220]

4 hours ago, garbaldy said:

Thats just it there is absolutely nothing wrong with Bollox,s posts at all,  his posts are his opinion and he's entitled to hold them and voice them, he as well as all members should not be moderated for that, if people don't like it they shouldn't read them,  

I remember his posts not understanding all the hate towards over zelouse moderation as he was not affected,  it seems now that this forum has now lost one of the old school better contributors, how many more have to go before people realise what the fuck is going on,   

What was it again we ended up with moderators for ? ah that's right dealing with spambots wasn't it.

Great job folks great job.

I had my say on this issue (and got called a c*** for doing so) some eight years ago now, so I'll leave it to others to fight this one out. But suffice to say the whole thing is all very nostalgic anyway.  A person's politics doesn't really matter to me when I'm admiring their ability to fix old cars.

 

[brownnova]

Can I assure you that these concerns are heard, and I will take these backstage and discuss with the other mods. I too would be loathe to lose the colour from the forum... just because it is beige in colour shouldn’t mean we’re only beige in content!

However, can I ask that we keep this thread to news about our cars/news and if there are concerns that you would like to air I will happily listen to/discuss them by PM.

[Sheefag]

I'd say after the last, disgraceful 'Modgate' episode where long time members were banned without warning or had their posting restricted and an infantile 'Glitch Excuse' was clumsily and arrogantly proffered, a request to take concerns over moderation to PM's rather than public discussion, is at best, a tad tone-deaf.

[Ghosty]

37 minutes ago, Wilko220 said:

A person's politics doesn't really matter to me when I'm admiring their ability to fix old cars.

I've made noises about keeping political discussions out of AS in the past, as this is a place I come to as respite, it's just a place for people that like old cars, and I wanted that for all of us. 

The way things panned out wasn't what I'd hoped for at all.

[wuvvum]

Anyway, news.

North Norfolk is still seriously snowy - it's amazing how just a few miles up the road has had orders of magnitude more snow than where I am, and because it's powdery stuff and it's been quite breezy, in places it has drifted onto the road several feet deep.

In other news, the Iveco is seriously fucking shit in the snow.

The new flasher relay I ordered turned up, but although the terminals are in the right places they're all the wrong way round so it doesn't work.  It seems Iveco decided to use a different pin layout to literally everyone else, and the correct relays are almost impossible to find.  The original relay is working again now after I took it apart and wiggled bits around, so I'm hoping it'll last a bit longer.

[Magnificent Rustbucket]

28 minutes ago, brownnova said:

Can I assure you that these concerns are heard, and I will take these backstage and discuss with the other mods. I too would be loathe to lose the colour from the forum... just because it is beige in colour shouldn’t mean we’re only beige in content!

However, can I ask that we keep this thread to news about our cars/news and if there are concerns that you would like to air I will happily listen to/discuss them by PM.

If anything demonstrated that nothing has changed nor been learned by the moderators here, then this response is it. 

[Magnificent Rustbucket]

44 minutes ago, brownnova said:

Can I assure you that these concerns are heard, and I will take these backstage and discuss with the other mods. I too would be loathe to lose the colour from the forum... just because it is beige in colour shouldn’t mean we’re only beige in content!

However, can I ask that we keep this thread to news about our cars/news and if there are concerns that you would like to air I will happily listen to/discuss them by PM.

You also say, "you would loathe to lose the colour from the forum ... just because it is beige shouldn't mean we're only beige in content"

Yet it is the moderators here of whom you are one, who have deliberately, systematically and consistently extinguished that very thing. What made AS unique has been stamped out and smothered not by accident but by conscious decision and undertaken in such a way as to treat the members here as ignorant children. It is frustrating indeed as I retain a fondness for this forum. At its best it was superb, but  sadly the embers are now dim.

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

5 hours ago, garbaldy said:

Thats just it there is absolutely nothing wrong with Bollox,s posts at all,  his posts are his opinion and he's entitled to hold them and voice them, he as well as all members should not be moderated for that, if people don't like it they shouldn't read them,  

I remember his posts not understanding all the hate towards over zelouse moderation as he was not affected,  it seems now that this forum has now lost one of the old school better contributors, how many more have to go before people realise what the fuck is going on,   

What was it again we ended up with moderators for ? ah that's right dealing with spambots wasn't it.

Great job folks great job.

In retrospect, the spambots were less destructive. Driving away Mr Bo11ox, a member whose contributions shaped the tone of the board since practically day one, is all the evidence one needs that the needless moderation of this forum has been an abject failure. The beige slowly becomes the grey in an effort to achieve, what? The car forum equivalent of a soft play area? Whatever the moderators believe they are achieving, the wholly unnecessary moderation of this board has only caused division and upset. 

No, News24 is not an appropriate thread for this discussion, but when there was a dedicated thread on the matter it mysteriously vanished without trace. Well, not entirely without trace - someone smarter than me had the foresight to archive it, and that is still available. 

[drum]

I think someone has tried to balance the bad moderation of two years ago with another bad moderation. Like when the ref realises he shouldn't have sent a player off, so sends one of the opponents off to make amends. The problem of course was with the first sending off. That and the fact the game was two years ago and it was a different ref!

Maybe if Mr Bollox had made a stand against the poor moderation the first time around the forum wouldn't have lost so many members.

[somewhatfoolish]

5 hours ago, Sheefag said:

This debacle has Ursula von der Leyen's prints all over it.

She has fingerprints? I thought lizards had that shiz genetically engineered out.

  

52 minutes ago, Conrad D. Conelrad said:

In retrospect, the spambots were less destructive. Driving away Mr Bo11ox, a member whose contributions shaped the tone of the board since practically day one, is all the evidence one needs that the needless moderation of this forum has been an abject failure. The beige slowly becomes the grey in an effort to achieve, what? The car forum equivalent of a soft play area? Whatever the moderators believe they are achieving, the wholly unnecessary moderation of this board has only caused division and upset. 

No, News24 is not an appropriate thread for this discussion, but when there was a dedicated thread on the matter it mysteriously vanished without trace. Well, not entirely without trace - someone smarter than me had the foresight to archive it, and that is still available. 

There's a word for that; greige. It's a bit rubbish, except on a car interior obvs. People are politics, it can't be wished away and some get upset by it. Getting upset is part of being an adult, as is dealing with it. Although excising it to a separate forum works for me the 'secret super special permission only XXX secret knock only' forum is a crappy compromise. Have it in the open or not at all.

[red5]

5 hours ago, brownnova said:

Can I assure you that these concerns are heard, and I will take these backstage and discuss with the other mods. I too would be loathe to lose the colour from the forum... just because it is beige in colour shouldn’t mean we’re only beige in content!

However, can I ask that we keep this thread to news about our cars/news and if there are concerns that you would like to air I will happily listen to/discuss them by PM

I'm sure they are heard. Shame they haven't been listened to or taken seriously for the last 8 years. 

You will? What about the other Mods?  I'd hope that they should actually read stuff they need to moderate themselves and get an understanding of the tone of a convo.

It's grey, and has been for a while. That is a self inflicted injury. Stop the rot first, then try and reverse it appropriately - not some staged grand gesture which inevitably will lead to a 'told you so' when a spat gets out of hand.

You can ask, because in green you speak as a Moderator. Something that no-one else is allowed to do about subjects which are Forbidden without a technical glitch.  You shouldn't, because that misses the whole point and just confirms nothing has changed in the Politburo. 

Ps, and I can't believe I'm qualifying this, this is not Post-on-Poster, or Posting-for-Efffect ) which should be Moderated imho, but an actual opinion about the actions, not the person. 

[red5]

5 hours ago, Ghosty said:

I've made noises about keeping political discussions out of AS in the past, as this is a place I come to as respite, it's just a place for people that like old cars, and I wanted that for all of us. 

The way things panned out wasn't what I'd hoped for at all.

Then don't read the threads or the politics bit. Like you wouldn't watch a TV channel or read a paper. A choice to not be offended or upset.

You've wanted something for all that the 'all' didn't want and seem surprised by the outcome when Big Brother type controls were imposed. That kind of arrogance, well-meaning or otherwise, has lead here. It's a forum, not your or anyone elses safe space. 

[Cavcraft]

8 hours ago, wuvvum said:

 

In other news, the Iveco is seriously fucking shit

13.5 years later...

 

[Fabergé Greggs]

I don’t think politics should be moderated, but I do think than anyone that expresses racism, homophobia, sexism or transphobia should be.

Sometimes it seems being a bit racist is confused with politics, where in fact it’s just being a bit racist. 

I think this should include any hilarious “jokes” at the expense of these communities. 

Then we could live in a more colourful world.., live and let live etc.. that’s what we’re all after, right? 

[HMC]

I mean, what about invisibly sweeping away spambots etc (as was the prime intention originally) and letting the forum moderate itself. Natural selection- those that for whatever reason decide it’s not for them can either stay away from that specific content and what have you. 
 

Sadly people being cast from the highest tower because of a lack of tolerance of what is said/ written reminds me of so much that dismays me about other social media.

 

[loserone]

12 minutes ago, Fabergé Greggs said:

I don’t think politics should be moderated, but I do think than anyone that expresses racism, homophobia, sexism or transphobia should be.

To be fair, that's what the rules say.

 

The report appears to have been for breaking the "no politics" rule, which isn't a rule.  But the moderation was for causing "deliberate offence".  Boll says this in his post.  And to be fair, that is a rule.  

There's some good discussion on this on the dark wob, as well as the odd troll of course.

A bit more transparency and a bit less "send a PM if you have concerns" would be good here tbh.  As is always the case.  No, news24 probably isn't the place for it; maybe make a place and leave it there?

[Sheefag]

On 2/13/2021 at 9:35 AM, Fabergé Greggs said:

I don’t think politics should be moderated, but I do think than anyone that expresses racism, homophobia, sexism or transphobia should be.

Sometimes it seems being a bit racist is confused with politics, where in fact it’s just being a bit racist. 

I think this should include any hilarious “jokes” at the expense of these communities. 

Then we could live in a more colourful world.., live and let live etc.. that’s what we’re all after, right? 

This place successfully self moderated itself for years. The problems have coincided with a self-electing layer of unqualified and unnecessary management and a slow creep of homogenisation and intolerance of view. The last time I saw anything resembling this, the forum involved was being secretly sanitised for sale and now resembles a desert.

If for example, Mr B wants to publicly call me a knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing racist, I won't agree with his opinion but in no way would I want him silenced.     I would reserve the right to laugh and take the piss, mind.

It's beginning to resemble a modern centre of further education. Let it go back to the adults self moderating themselves and the problems will cease.

[BorniteIdentity]

Ugh. This is all rather disappointing. 

The only rules we need are the ones that are enforced upon us by the host of the board, and the laws of that respective country. That’s it. 

Therefore, you need two or maybe three people (so the keys aren’t all held by one person) who are there to make sure we stay legal and that’s it. 

I look forward to that happening.