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[SiC]

I imagine pretty simple. You just say your car was in the fire. They can always check when the wrecks are taken out and they note down all the VINs that have been toast.

 

I believe it was a 1600 car park with about 1400 cars in it. 1600 * £15000 (rough average) = £21m. Not too bad in the grand scheme of things. I wonder if they car that went up will be the liable one or if it would be the car that caught fire next to you would be?

[Asimo]

"If you note that in paragraph 95 on page 17 of your contract.........therefore you are not in this instance covered by this policy"

[They_all_do_that_sir]

I imagine pretty simple. You just say your car was in the fire. They can always check when the wrecks are taken out and they note down all the VINs that have been toast.

 

I believe it was a 1600 car park with about 1400 cars in it. 1600 * £15000 (rough average) = £21m. Not too bad in the grand scheme of things. I wonder if they car that went up will be the liable one or if it would be the car that caught fire next to you would be?

 

I meant in terms of who foots the bill - I take it the insurer of the car that started the whole thing is going to take a monster hit.....

 

Imagine sitting on confused.com and filling in the section on previous claims - "what was the total cost of this claim......£21,000,000"

[SiC]

I meant in terms of who foots the bill - I take it the insurer of the car that started the whole thing is going to take a monster hit.....

 

Imagine sitting on confused.com and filling in the section on previous claims - "what was the total cost of this claim......£21,000,000"

Ultimately I'll imagine it will be one for the lawyers to decide given its not a small amount to be settled. If it's newish, the car manufacturers lawyers may be involved too.

[dollywobbler]

I'm sure I saw somewhere that it was a Land Rover that started it all...

 

EDIT - Range Rover apparently.

[SiC]

Wack, you weren't in Liverpool last night were you?

[MikeR]

again how is a fire of this magnitude able to take place , ok a fire should be able to take out some cars , not the whole lot !!

 

are we looking at design issues and potential for other car parks to go the same way  and the FB equipped to handle another one

 

 

what will be next years insurance premiums be for car park operators of the vertically stacking kind ?

[Guest Hooli]

On a sad note there are apparently a few dogs left in cars, for fucks sake why would you !!!!!   

 

Poor dogs

 

This time of year with a window open & water dogs would be fine in cars so why wouldn't you? I had one dog that almost lived in my car & went to work everyday to sit in there as he was happy in the car & panicked when left in the house.

[SiC]

I guess there is only so much they can do. The priority of any building design is safety of life first. As long as people can get out in time then it ultimately it doesn't matter. Cars are replaceable and expendable, people are not.

 

Given how infrequent it happens, nothing should really happen. Just if you see a fire in a carpark, really do just GTFO asap.

[They_all_do_that_sir]

Be another checkbox on your insurance from next year along the lines of "do you leave the car parked in a multistory carpark" lol....

 

Kinda scary given the amount of buildings with an underground multi story car park.....I imagine this fire was easier to fight because the car park could be accessed externally on all sides by fire appliances.....An underground job with one vehicle access and a few cramped pedestrian exits......

 

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[SiC]

I've been thinking that. Where I work and park my car is the garage under the building. Down in there is all the plant equipment, HVAC and everything else to run the building of over 2000 people. A fire down there would pretty much close down the whole place of 5 different companies.

[MikeR]

Kinda scary given the amount of buildings with an underground multi story car park.....I imagine this fire was easier to fight because the car park could be accessed externally on all sides by fire appliances.....An underground job with one vehicle access and a few cramped pedestrian exits......

 

 

 

 

If that had been the Liverpool One car park !!!   , that ticks all the above box's

[Guest Hooli]

Every underground/under offices car park I've seen has sprinklers etc. I've never seen those in the big open multi stories.

[HMC]

The other aspect is the damage to the building. Reports of the fire brigade being wary of the building collapsing. I'm unsure of how it all slots together but cars+ building damage stands to be quite a bit on top of the notional £21m

[NorfolkNWeigh]

I'm sure I saw somewhere that it was a Land Rover that started it all...

 

EDIT - Range Rover apparently.

To anyone with experience of modern Solihul/ Halewood electricity, this comes as no surprise.

Mrs N's Freelanders latest party piece is to unlatch the tailgate if you use the windscreen demist button. Also when the fuel guage and computer decide there's no fuel it will go into limp mode until you switch off and on again , did it last night - went from empty and 0 miles to 3/4 tank and 260 miles after being parked for 10 minutes. That and the horn that sometimes will spend a week operated by the reversing lights and the doors that we haven't bothered to lock for 3 years mean that if it decided to self combust one day , it would come as no surprise at all.

[stuboy]

Been reading thay after seeing it here earlier, sounds a pretty shit situation, even if they would all be moderns

already paying 900 quid on dam 1.6 focus im 42 with full ncbs

[Guest Hooli]

The other aspect is the damage to the building. Reports of the fire brigade being wary of the building collapsing. I'm unsure of how it all slots together but cars+ building damage stands to be quite a bit on top of the notional £21m

 

That amount of burning cars could melt the rebar within the concrete I'd have thought.

[dollywobbler]

Finished! For now. Garage tidy up means I can actually walk all the way around the Invacar!

 

I still need more shelving, more hooks for tools and a proper sort out, but that can be a job for the spring, when I can get both of the cars out.

[twosmoke300]

My fear as a self employed garage owner is if that car had had work done on it recently and that was proven to be the cause of the fire .

Even with proper insurance like I have it could finish you

[stuboy]

Mrs is very happy with her new pink bits on her car

[MarvinsMom]

That amount of burning cars could melt the rebar within the concrete I'd have thought.

concrete is a really good insulator against fire.

 

problems start when or if the concrete starts to spall away from the rebar, but even then the risk of a collapse is much less in a concrete framed building in a fire situation than it would be for a steel framed building.

 

thats why grenfell tower stood up after that fire, a steel framed tower would probably collapsed.

[M'coli]

Concrete's such a good insulator that it's used to insulate horizontal RSJs and the like in many modern buildings like factory units and warehouses.

[Pillock]

I guess the issue is that the firefighters going in have no idea how the building has been constructed.... Are there steel beams holding up concrete floors etc? They haven't got time to dig out the drawings or phone the architect so they presume it will collapse.

[beko1987]

I guess the issue is that the firefighters going in have no idea how the building has been constructed.... Are there steel beams holding up concrete floors etc? They haven't got time to dig out the drawings or phone the architect so they presume it will collapse.

I guess that's why their saying every car is written off, even if many were fine, they'll probably just raze the thing to the ground and clean it up afterwards?

[MikeR]

its a very tight car park , cars are very close together and the access ramps go up the middle of the building and getting in and out at rush hour normally means a que of cars , I went in it twice over the years and both times getting in and out on foot was "fun" with a wheelchair in tow , its not a car park I would prefer to go to ....

 

its design lends it to being a pretty good fire  , looking at the new pictures I would say its well gutted

[omegod]

I don't park there as it's a pain in the arse getting out after a gig. Friend of my dad has lost his 2 week old BMW in the fire and is obviously  pretty gutted 

 

I'm guessing the local scrap dealer is rubbing his hands right now though  

[M'coli]

I'd imagine the building construction will be listed in any decent fire plans, risk assessments, fire safety inspections and the like - it'd be part of getting a licence to operate the business.

[bramz7]

Went to the new year thing at Brooklands today. Yeah not bad, some cool things on display, despite the 88 and earlier rule I saw about a dozen MG TFs and various 00s dross. Maybe I should have asked if my Clio was allowed to be shown....?

 

I reckon I'll display either the Tempra or Tipo at the Auto Italia in May, if I can get it off. Apparently the Bristol Italian show which always preceded it has now been cancelled for good due to the council wanting £££s. Might make the Brooklands show even more busy than normal then...

[Guest Hooli]

My kitchen now smells of rotten EP90 but on the brightside the engine is almost ready to come out my Bonnie. Just the rearsets to remove as they use the same bolts as the rear mounts & then the bottom mount.

 

I'd do more but not really in the mood so back to slacking on here & feeling bloody tired.

[drum]

New purchases to be collected tomorrow #excited!

 

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

Old Doug the Digger needed some electrical boostage. Will he fire?

 

Set the controls for the heart of the moon.

 

Ignition