Renault 6 rescue (Aug 2020 - rehomed)

[LightBulbFun]

10 minutes ago, Slowsilver said:

Some of the later content of this thread seems to have gone missing, as I am sure I posted pictures of the cylinder head, pistons and bores showing them to be in good condition and not rusty.

 

that post is still there on my screen  but all the picture thumb nails are only 100x100 

we were told that would be fixed but sadly that never happened

if you click on the pictures then they grow to full size

or if you copy the full sized image link directly and paste it into the post

then the forum software will embed it full sized

like so 

its how I fixed all the 100x100 images in my Model 70 survivors list when the forum software "upgrade" shrunk all the images

[Slowsilver]

Sorry, accidently hit submit button when part way through this post.
Now edited to full version above.

[Slowsilver]

34 minutes ago, Mrs6C said:

Huzzah!!!

When's the "For Garage of Dreams' sake" event to apply the AS massive to this challenge?

Not sure I have the cheek to request a gathering of Shiters, even if I offer tea and biscuits, or even beer.
I have already given far too much of my time to this with no reward so far, but can't really expect others to do the same.
However, if somone on here thinks they can succeed where I have failed miserably, please get in touch. There may even be some beer tokens available.
 

[dozeydustman]

Good to see an update on this project. 

[Andyrew]

A collective of shitters flogging a dead horse? 

And biscuits?

Count me in ( only avalible Sundays )

[richardmorris]

29 minutes ago, Slowsilver said:

Not sure I have the cheek to request a gathering of Shiters, even if I offer tea and biscuits, or even beer.
I have already given far too much of my time to this with no reward so far, but can't really expect others to do the same.
However, if somone on here thinks they can succeed where I have failed miserably, please get in touch. There may even be some beer tokens available.
 

Don’t be daft, you’ll have to turn people away if you ask for a meet!

as for rust removal, I’ve seen this organic non- acidic stuff demonstrated and it appears very good......

https://www.bilthamber.com/corrosion-protection-and-rust-treatments/deox-c

 

[Fumbler]

It is indeed. I need to buy some.

[Andyrew]

Don't know if this is still there but would it be of use?

 

[beko1987]

I'd be up for standing in your garage pointing, drinking tea and making encouraging noises if it happens! 

[Slowsilver]

2 hours ago, Andyrew said:

Don't know if this is still there but would it be of use?

Thanks for the thought but , even if it Renault 4, I don't intend to look for another engine until I am sure I can get the existing one out, which is by no means certain.
 

 

[Slowsilver]

2 hours ago, beko1987 said:

I'd be up for standing in your garage pointing, drinking tea and making encouraging noises if it happens! 

Thanks, but I have an Adam and a Mrs Silver to do that for me. Really need more practical help ?.

[richardmorris]

27 minutes ago, Slowsilver said:

Thanks, but I have an Adam and a Mrs Silver to do that for me. Really need more practical help ?.

Well, now you’re just getting picky. 

[Asimo]

Those roll pins are vile.  I fought them for ages on my last Renault, I just hate to use so much violence on a gearbox, all that hammering can't be doing the final-drive bearings any good. I much prefer flanges and screws.

 All I can suggest is trying from the other direction if you havn't already. I didn't know there was one pin inside another, I wacked them out as one.

[beko1987]

1 hour ago, Slowsilver said:

Thanks, but I have an Adam and a Mrs Silver to do that for me. Really need more practical help ?.

I can do heavy lifting/manhandling... 

[Slowsilver]

1 minute ago, beko1987 said:

I can do heavy lifting/manhandling... 

We'll have no man handling here!
No heavy lifting required. The entire car only weighed as much as a damp teabag before I took all the bits off it.
 

[egg]

There is a French R6 forum I've just noted, may be worth signing-up, popping your problem in Google Translate, and seeing if there is any advice there. Looks relatively active.

http://renault6.forumactif.com/forum

There is a technical section.

[bunglebus]

I had those driveshaft roll pins on my R5 - just drifted the whole lot out with a punch, I also never realised there were two. 

[richardmorris]

2 hours ago, Slowsilver said:

Thanks, but I have an Adam and a Mrs Silver to do that for me. Really need more practical help ?.

Does Mrs silver actually exist? I’d always thought of her as “her indoors “ in the captain mainwaring and arfur daily way.

[Slowsilver]

10 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Does Mrs silver actually exist? I’d always thought of her as “her indoors “ in the captain mainwaring and arfur daily way.

Mrs Silver most definitely exists. Ask anyone who was at the Silvers' Service Breakfast Club before the FotU. She was catering manager and responsible for all the delicious bacon and sausage sarnies. We celebrated our 40th wedding anniversary last month and are still together despite all of my faults. Haven't managed to persuade her to sign up and post on here as she isn't really into cars, but tolerates my shenanigans.
 

[Slowsilver]

2 hours ago, Asimo said:

Those roll pins are vile.  I fought them for ages on my last Renault, I just hate to use so much violence on a gearbox, all that hammering can't be doing the final-drive bearings any good. I much prefer flanges and screws.

 All I can suggest is trying from the other direction if you havn't already. I didn't know there was one pin inside another, I wacked them out as one.

Tried from both directions with the same non-result. Didn't try banging them both out together with a 5mm punch, which might work better as it is less likely to bend or break than the 3mm ones. I assumed that because there were two the inner one would have to come out first. I think the problem might be that if you hit them off-centre initially it peens the end of the pin over and makes them even more difficult to remove.
 

[ETCHY]

Just been reading through all this. You deserve a bloody medal !

I do hope you manage to stick with it & finally get it sorted, as after all this time, blood sweat & tears you deserve to get it back on the road & have a running Renault 6.

Best of luck.

[scdan4]

How much money and how available are driveshafts? That’d be much easier on the bench...

[RayMK]

39 minutes ago, scdan4 said:

How much money and how available are driveshafts? That’d be much easier on the bench...

I was thinking the same.  Either remove the offending shaft from the hub end or saw through it.   I have had endless fun with roll pins in hinges.  Once corrosion gets at them they are almost impossible to remove by normal methods, even if equipped with an impressive vocabulary.

[Uncle Jimmy]

Pleased to see further activity on the R6;

When I was (and I still am) working on my Saab 96 I removed the engine and box; in that instance I sliced the inner driveshaft boots off and pulled the ends out of the 'cups' they sit in, carefully to avoid the roller bearings falling to bits, I then wrapped the ends in cling film for storage. I presume you can't do something similar in this case? 

[richardmorris]

2 hours ago, Slowsilver said:

Mrs Silver most definitely exists. Ask anyone who was at the Silvers' Service Breakfast Club before the FotU. She was catering manager and responsible for all the delicious bacon and sausage sarnies. We celebrated our 40th wedding anniversary last month and are still together despite all of my faults. Haven't managed to persuade her to sign up and post on here as she isn't really into cars, but tolerates my shenanigans.
 

Congrats on the ruby anniversary. My parents celebrated* 53years last Wednesday. One of the available reception dates was 30th July 1966! They chose a fortnight later because of other family plans ( not me, I didn’t turn up for six years).

Edited August 18, 2019 by richardmorris

[vulgalour]

Has anyone on here actually had a good time trying to do any sort of mechanical work on an R6? I know I never did.

[RayMK]

11 minutes ago, vulgalour said:

Has anyone on here actually had a good time trying to do any sort of mechanical work on an R6? I know I never did.

Similar experience with a Renault 4  30 years ago makes me shy away from any front drive Renault with the gearbox in front of the engine.  The R4 fought every move and, while I did get the damned thing to run, it sounded terrible and did not last for many miles afterwards.  In contrast, my Renault engined Volvo 66s, although a bit unreliable, responded well to attention and did not fight back.

Although I would love to see this R6 back on the road, some cars just have to be moved on so that the enjoyable hobby remains so.   

[Slowsilver]

2 hours ago, scdan4 said:

How much money and how available are driveshafts? That’d be much easier on the bench...

 

1 hour ago, RayMK said:

I was thinking the same.  Either remove the offending shaft from the hub end or saw through it.   I have had endless fun with roll pins in hinges.  Once corrosion gets at them they are almost impossible to remove by normal methods, even if equipped with an impressive vocabulary.

 

1 hour ago, Nibblet said:

Pleased to see further activity on the R6;

When I was (and I still am) working on my Saab 96 I removed the engine and box; in that instance I sliced the inner driveshaft boots off and pulled the ends out of the 'cups' they sit in, carefully to avoid the roller bearings falling to bits, I then wrapped the ends in cling film for storage. I presume you can't do something similar in this case? 

I don't think the gearbox will come out with the whole driveshaft still attached.
According to both the workshop manuals the CV joints need to be clamped together before removal, otherwise if they come apart they are impossible to put together again. I don't understand how this can be true, but am inclined to believe it.
Sawing through the driveshaft is a possibility, but would be tricky and it seems a rather radical waste of a driveshaft just for the sake of a couple of roll pins. I have not checked the price or availability of driveshafts but fully expect new ones to be NLA and second-hand ones to be scarce and probably knackered.
 

[wuvvum]

Don't s'pose there's any chance of separating gearbox from engine and then getting the engine out from behind the 'box whilst leaving the driveshafts in situ?  (I could quite easily answer this question myself by going outside and looking under the bonnet of my own 6, but it's dark and I can't be arsed.)

[Slowsilver]

1 hour ago, vulgalour said:

Has anyone on here actually had a good time trying to do any sort of mechanical work on an R6? I know I never did.

 

37 minutes ago, RayMK said:

Similar experience with a Renault 4  30 years ago makes me shy away from any front drive Renault with the gearbox in front of the engine.  The R4 fought every move and, while I did get the damned thing to run, it sounded terrible and did not last for many miles afterwards.  In contrast, my Renault engined Volvo 66s, although a bit unreliable, responded well to attention and did not fight back.

Although I would love to see this R6 back on the road, some cars just have to be moved on so that the enjoyable hobby remains so.   

Good to know that it is not just me that has trouble with these cars.  I was beginning to think I had lost the plot somewhere along the line. As you say, maybe the time has come to move this on before I actually do lose the plot.