SPEDDIG TIKKIT update 9/5/16

[outlaw118]

Probably should go in the "Stupid Questions" thread, but I'm too stupid to know how to find it.....

 

I got tugged for going (significantly moar than) 90mph in March, and I've been waiting for the LETTER OF DOOM to arrive. PC Copper put 90 on the ticket btw....

 

 

It's £100 and 3 points, or I can choose to go to court; no brainer really...

 

 

HOWEVER

 

The registration number on the ticket is not correct....I was driving a rented Scirocco, on a 61 plate, and the ticket/letter says 51.

 

Is there any point using this in my defence, saying, someert along the lines of "if you can't get the number plate right, how can your speeding tickets be relied upon" (obviously in a more polite manner....), or shall i just pay the bastard and be done with it?

 

Cheerz, all bar-room lawyers take the floor 

 

 

[Dave_Q]

Wrap it round a pineapple and throw it through the window of the nearest police station.

 

 

Or alternatively, just pay it unless you're rich enough to hire that "captain loophole" sort to try and get you out of it.

[Inspector Morose]

Were you speeding? If yes then man up and pay. You already had a break by the rozzer putting 90 on your ticket. Isn't 100+ instant ban?

 

I did last year. Fucking hurt my pride but I got caught breaking the law so fair cop guv.

[UltraWomble]

Option 1)
Hire Nick Freeman and pay £££££'s to have your fine quashed, struggle to pay your bills with the debt and go on the game - develop an arsehole the size of a wind tunnel

 

Option 2)

Get some half arsed internet opinons from a group of weird blokes scattered across the UK, represent yourself in court and do your finest Rumpole of the Bailey impression then come back and be indignant with us when the judge (& fellow grand Mason at teh same lodge as the copper) rips you a new arsehole.

 

Option 3)

Pay up, take the 3 points like a man and be thankful that your arsehole remains intact

[SiC]

Isn't 100+ instant ban?

Not always. Automatic go to court afaik.

 

If you plead to the judge that a ban will cause you significant hardship - i.e. loose your job, can't see ill relatives, etc, etc and it's your first offence, then you can get away with points and a big fat fine instead.

[Split_Pin]

If you were one of life's complete wankstains who is 110% unwilling to take responsibility for anything they do then yes, you could probably defend it however since you are not I would just pay the tin and move on. It could instantly cost you more than that when you declared* it to your insurer. Plus it appears the polis threw you a bone by recording 90 on the ticket when you were going faster, I would welcome that.

[Pillock]

Yeah, a mate of mine was caught at 127mph on the M1 just south of Sheffield in the wee hours, went to court, went through all the hardship if he loses his job etc so they gave him a pretty hefty fine and 5 points to go with the 6 he already had, as a "one more and you're out" warning.

[outlaw118]

Cheers chaps, that's pretty much what I thought - Copper Blokey was fair - I did explain I was desperate for a shit - I genuinely had let the car run away with me - just driven back from Lincoln, and was on auto pilot, was slowing down when PC Bacon caught up.....was doing 90 then....

 

 

 

Paying it now....

Edited April 26, 2016 by outlaw118

[Partridge]

Christ, that was a decent copper.

 

Also, is it a good idea to put the actual speed on a forum?

[outlaw118]

@ Mr Partridge....probably not....(rushes to edit)...

[BavarianRetro]

You should get an extra £50 on your fine for the title of the thread.

 

If that "faux retard" style was ever funny - and I'm not convinced it was - it sure as buggery isn't now.

 

Stop it. All of you. Neil, you too.

[sierraman]

I'd pay up. You're on a hiding to nothing trying to start quibbling with the cops, given the circumstances they're likely to say fair enough we've got wrong plates, but anyhow we've had a think and now the charge is dangerous driving. I've every respect for the plod but if they get wind you're being clever they'll have you on a stick.

[outlaw118]

@ Bavarian Retro: I have a cat doing my typing. Her spelling isn't great.

 

Apologies for any offence

[doobietoo]

I would pay it too but would put a covering letter pointing out the reg no. was wrong....

[New POD]

Not always. Automatic go to court afaik.

 

If you plead to the judge that a ban will cause you significant hardship - i.e. loose your job, can't see ill relatives, etc, etc and it's your first offence, then you can get away with points and a big fat fine instead.

 

Indeed. A bloke I know got done for 136 in a 60, and had a 2 week ban and £900plus fine. Not sure what ballocks was spoken in court.  Another I know was done at 101 in a 70 and got a 475 quid fine. He Had a letter from our MD and the engineering director at our biggest customer who make diggers in Staffordshire saying it would impact the next generation hydraulics and prevent the UK from being successful exporters and competing with the foreigners.

[Urko]

Slightly O/T but I got the decentist copper in the world when I very very very stupidly had a piece of wood fall off the roof of my old A3 on the M1 (thankfully the slip road).  He not only didn't do me for about 9 million things he could have, but he helped me fasten it back on the roof bars and followed me for a bit to make sure it was all OK.

[martybabes]

Any speeding offence that goes to court allows the Magistrates to consider a disqualification.  They don't usually ban someone unless the speed was excessive (in terms of what the speed limit was).  I wouldn't argue the point over the clerical error concerning the reg number.  After all, what benefit will you get by pointing it out?  None, I suspect, other than someone thinking you're a smart-ar$e.  And if the person thinking you're a smart-ar$e is sitting on the Bench, you may well end up paying more!  

 

Tell the truth, tell them you are sorry, be brief and get to the point quickly.  The same applies to pleadings by letter and pleadings in person.  Don't try and be Rumpole of the Bailey.  You are not.

[CortinaDave]

The wrong reg number won't help - its a thing called the "slip ruie" - basically small mistakes by the cops can be corrected in court.

 

Talking about speeding tickets and the rights and wrongs of them on an internet forum always brings a stream of rants rivalled only by the "is banger racing classic cars ok?" debate.

 

I'm not a fan of the "just roll over and take it" righteous attitude IF you have something genuinely to defend, but if its a fair cop then the 3pts/100 fine is the least of all evils. 

 

Mobile camera tickets are much easier to defend than a police tug - the only evidence they need to convict is the say so of two coppers. There needs to be two for corroboration.

[Guest Lord Sward]

As above; if you want to be aresey about a mistaken digit, take it to court, but even if you won on a technicality (which you won't), you'll still be out of pocket. Looking at the facts, you were speeding at that time/date/location and in that particular car, regardless of a single reg digit.  You've also pleaded guilty by accepting the notice at the scene of the crime.  The copper has given you a break and significantly, got your address right.

 

However, if it was a mobile scamera van, then thats a different argument....

 

NOTE; I'm not against 3 figure speeds.  It saves lives after all.

[oldcars]

Remember if you need a shit its has to be in a garden centre.

[SiC]

At least you got your ticket doing a decent speed. I'd be really annoyed with myself if I got 3 points doing 78 mph in a 70mph. If I'm getting one, I'd much rather have been doing 88mph and make the ticket worth it.

[UltraWomble]

 If I'm getting one, I'd much rather have been doing 88mph and make the ticket worth it.

Yeah, but then you could travel back in time and prevent yourself from being caught....

[Guest Hooli]

 

 

Mobile camera tickets are much easier to defend than a police tug - the only evidence they need to convict is the say so of two coppers. There needs to be two for corroboration.

 

Not true.

 

Two coppers on foot can corroborate each other that they believe you were speeding, ONE copper driving can form the opinion your speeding & be corroborated by their speedo.

 

Basicly, they'll lie & 'prove' it no matter what you do.

[inconsistant]

I'd have thought £100 for a tug was about the going rate, especially if he was in uniform and was a bit of a sauce pot.

[cort1977]

Well this was unexpected in a speeding ticket thread.  

 

Man asks for advice, takes sensible advice and does the right thing, some people provide some insight in to the workings of the system and one or two little innuendoes are slipped in.

 

The internet could learn a thing or two from this.  

[Inspector Morose]

.... and one or two little innuendoes are slipped in.

 

The internet could learn a thing or two from this.

 

Fnar fnar.

[binhoker668]

I'm waiting for THE LETTER myself.  Expecting it before May 2nd (2 weeks after camera).  DREAD! 

Always for a moment of stupidity too.  That'll be 6 now...

[binhoker668]

On that note actually, on the off (fat) chance that THE LETTER arrives AFTER 2 weeks is up, does anyone know if that negates the charge?  I read some bits and pieces...

(There was no flash - was just a slight speeding oversight on average speed cam).

[outlaw118]

Not entirely sure i like the tone of this ^^^

 

Yep - I admit i've been a twat - however the circumstances were slightly different to the OMGCHOMPYBUB incident....there was no accident, and the road conditions, by the copper's own admission were good and traffic light. I was on a 3 lane motorway spec A road.

 

I do drive fast - but speed doesn't kill, idiocy kills. Ultimately I rarely break the speed limit - and certainly not by the amount I did on this occasion. There's no real excuse, I held my hands up with Plod, as I do now.

 

My last points were added 15/9/97, SP30,  and to be honest, I really should have appealed those - but I was going through a rough time at that point and the agg didn't seem worth it.

 

I drive for a living - probably 30k per year, and have done for 15 years - and barring one unfortunate incident with a Kangoo and the River Strood, I've not bent anything.

 

Obviously the spectre of moar points and another fine will be hanging over me for a while, but in order to not add this incident to the list of things I hate about myself, I'm treating it as a one-off incident. Shit happens etc.

That's one thing thing "coped with" - my counsellor should be proud.

[Parky]

Pay it Bob. Then it's all over and done with. If you try and dispute it, you might get a day in court and walk away Scot free, or you might end up with an arse like a basking sharks mouth if Mr Judge decides you are the most dangerous man on the planet.

 

Pay, draw a line under it, go have a fag. I think you are very lucky there as I faced the same sort of fine and points for doing 58 in a 50 zone at 2am (took the awareness course offered instead).

 

And your previous points in 1997 would have been wiped long before now so no need to bother the insurance companies with those now