driving a manual on an auto license? WCPGR?

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

They are taxed, insured and MOTed, so I am guessing that if they did have an accident their insurance would at least pay out to the other party.  Wouldn't they?

 

Yes. Were they to cause an accident, their insurer would still have to pay the third party. They cannot refuse to pay the third party, however much the policy holder lied.

 

The insurance company can attempt to recover this money from your friend, although the most likely outcome will be a cancelled policy. After this they can expect insurance to be unaffordable for quite some time.

[cort16]

Tell them to change gear without using the clutch then they're legal although it may cost a few quid in replacement gearboxes

[wuvvum]

I just came on here to post what Mr. Conelrad has already posted.  It's almost impossible to invalidate third party insurance - even if your car is stolen by a 12-year-old pikey who then hits someone with it, your insurance will still have to pay out to the third party.  The MIB only gets involved when there's no insurance policy in force for the vehicle at all.

[John F]

I don't think I'd want to be friends with someone that couldn't see anything wrong with driving without a licence.

[Tamworthbay]

Yes. Were they to cause an accident, their insurer would still have to pay the third party. They cannot refuse to pay the third party, however much the policy holder lied. The insurance company can attempt to recover this money from your friend, although the most likely outcome will be a cancelled policy. After this they can expect insurance to be unaffordable for quite some time.

they can and do claim it back, someone I know of through a previous job was moonlighting as a curry delivery driver but hadn't declared it. He hit someone and presumably trashed a perfectly good jalfrazi into the bargain. He was shouting his mouth off about how unfair it was that the insurance company had taken him to court as no one declares business use for deliveries and then sent the bailiffs round to empty his house (his words). They even took his prize telly which was THIS BIG.......... It made me laugh at the time and still does. Idiots like that bump the prices up for the rest of us.

[dieselassist]

...advise them to paint the entire clutch pedal the same colour as the carpet; therefore ensuring invisibility in the event of a pull by the law....

 

If it were me, I wouldn't ride as a passenger in the car, but refrain from shopping them; id file such an irregularity as 'other people's lives n their eccentricities' - not my concern "..I cant remember ever noticing that etc etc..."

[Mr A Lawrence]

Don't shop them in but just sit back and wait till he's caught then say "I told you so!"

 

My dad learned to drive in the army and drove hgv's and vans all his life!!

[dieselnutjob]

I bet they haven't reregistered the car either. I would guess that it was (and still is) registered in the name of the deceased partner. Will anpr flag on a car being driven registered to a dead person?

[Felly Magic]

They could actually face imprisonment if involved in an accident they cause, and there are injuries, no licence = no insurance. Shop em, for the sake of everyone else on the roads, you included, they are a danger to themselves, let alone other road users. I would not want to be friends with someone so ignorant in such matters

[Doctormop]

My Brother passed his test first time in an automatic metro, took him three further goes to pass his manual, this was back when autos were much rarer and quite expensive compared to their manual equivalents, remember when the Autotrader had a special automatics section that was all of about three pages long? He does and used to whine about the difference all day Thursday (the day Autotrader used to hit the newsagents for you younger readers) but I never remember him saying "Stuff it I'll just get a manual and take my chances" now don't get me wrong, he's no paragon of virtue and neither am I but just lately it seems socially acceptable to do what the f*ck you want, stuff the consequences and expect the support and approval of everybody on Facebook/Twitter/Twats reunited for just playing by your own rules and so what, "Yes I was driving at 96mph through roadworks with 3 kids in the car but I KNOW I could stop if I had to, don't you DARE say I don't have my child's safety at heart, you are just picking on me Mr Traffic Policeman, just wait till my Mumsnet friends here about this, you will be on trial at the Hague when they have finished with you!!

(Sorry I took a Nurofen about 30 minutes ago and watched Police Interceptors, won't be doing either again I assure you)

[taxi paul]

A friend of mines son bought a £6,000 car on finance last year. Insured it and forgot * to mention the points on his licence. All was well till he wrapped it round a tree , with the help of an icey patch. When he tried to claim , fully comp. The insurance company asked for copies of his driving licence and other bits if info. When he then remembered his points they cancelled his policy and told him to sod off, politely of course. He was then left with the finance and very high quotes for his replacement car. I remember someone once said . Your insured till you claim.

[andrew e]

He used to drive HGVs for the local council. The things you can get away with in the sticks...

He'd probably still get a council job in Glasgow.

[Richard]

Will anpr flag on a car being driven registered to a dead person?

 

No it won't, V5s aren't tied into licence numbers so there's no way for them to know if the registered keeper is dead.

 

I would just keep dropping hints about the terrible things that could happen if the shit hits the fan.

[gtd2000]

It's not good to drive a car where there will be insurance problems...

 

That said - it's a bloody stupid idea that you can't drive a manual car with a license that was passed doing the test in an automatic.

 

I've a UK license as well as a USA driving license - there's nothing to stop folks driving a manual car in the USA after taking the test in the default choice of an automatic.

 

If folks think that's a terrible idea - why should you be allowed to drive an automatic with only a manual license?

 

Typical British "it's always been" relic if you ask me

[OwdChina]

Why are there even automatic licenses anyway? I get that some people have physical disabilities that prevent them from driving a manual, but for everybody else it basically means you can't drive a car and you deffo shouldn't be on the road. When I become king of the world one of my first jobs will be to revoke any auto only license.

Over here it's one license fits all...........but having said that only about 10% of cars are manual. Strangely, the older generation mostly have all driven a manual at some point but just prefer an auto box, where as the youngsters (below 40ish) a lot of them have never driven a manual.

I've been asking this question since we moved to the States simply because you rarely see a manual car or pick-up.

[SiC]

I have been told a manual box makes a very good anti-theft device in the States!

[DSdriver]

My grandpa never had a license either, he learned how to drive in the Army. He drove lorries and vans for a living his whole life.

Never had a licence or never passed a test? they are two completely different things. You originally just applied for a licence and got it, a bit like a TV licence.

[BavarianRetro]

My grandpa never had a license either, he learned how to drive in the Army. He drove lorries and vans for a living his whole life.

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My dad learned to drive in the army and drove hgv's and vans all his life!!

 

Dad?! Is that you?

[stephen01]

cut his fucking clutch pedal off,

 

like many have said, his basically not insured if he's driving a manual car.

[wuvvum]

just lately it seems socially acceptable to do what the f*ck you want, stuff the consequences and expect the support and approval of everybody on Facebook/Twitter/Twats reunited for just playing by your own rules

This.  I couldn't believe the amount of support on the interweb for that cuntfuttock who drove his Polo into the middle of a Beetle race when he (rightly) got sent down for it.

[John F]

gtd2000, on 26 Mar 2016 - 10:12 PM, said:gtd2000, on 26 Mar 2016 - 10:12 PM, said:gtd2000, on 26 Mar 2016 - 10:12 PM, said:

...it's a bloody stupid idea that you can't drive a manual car with a license that was passed doing the test in an automatic.

 

Someone that's only passed their test in an automatic won't have demonstrated that they have mastered clutch control, e.g. for hill starts.

[Parky]

Do nothing but hope he doesn't hit one of us.

 

If he does there will be a 30 page thread about how one of us has had his car/neck/legs/employment fucked by some bloke who crashed into us with the wrong licence and the insurance situation is now more complicated and slow moving than it would have been.

 

Frankly he needs to sort it out pronto. If you don't want to tell Plod, get an unrelated work mate or distant relative to do it, someone who your mate can't link to you.

[saucedoctor]

Bleach in the engine oil.

[garbaldy]

Hold on a minute guys how is this guy such a danger to other road users, does the auto only test not teach road signs or junctions, is it that different a test he will be driving on the wrong side of the road and have no road sense at all ?

[Tamworthbay]

Well I wouldn't want to be behind him at the lights on Cromfrod hill or the crossing at the square in Ashbourne.........

[Pillock]

It does seem a little odd that you can drive auto on a manual licence but not vice versa. First time I got in an auto I was well confused, nobody had ever explained PNRD to me, or the numbers.

 

And then I braked with my left foot.

[garbaldy]

Well I wouldn't want to be behind him at the lights on Cromfrod hill or the crossing at the square in Ashbourne.........

Yes I hear you but that's only going to be a minor bump not a killing kittens and nuns type affair that some are inferring.

[rantingYoof]

A minor bump which then turns into a drawn-out affair when he turns out to be uninsured and driving not in accordance etc etc etc.

 

 

I'm sure he possesses the skills and know-how, but the point here is that there will be no problem until he makes a mistake (like we all do, as human beans) and there is a bump, or a minor accident, or worse, a bub/chompy scenario.

 

Then it becomes a clusterfuck of epic proportions which makes an already stressful situation for those involved even worse.

[Pete-M]

Auto licence + manual car = driving other than in accordance with licence.

 

Simple as. It doesn't matter that it's "not fair" or whatever. The person driving a manual on an auto licence chose to take the auto driving test and is now illegally driving a car they haven't passed the test for.

 

If it's OK for them to drive a manual on an auto licence then what's next? Ride a 1000cc superbike on a moped provisional? Drive a HGV because you've got grandad rights to drive a Transit? Fly a Harrier because you once landed a Cessna on a Commodore 64 flight simulator?

 

They're taking the piss and think they'll get away with it.

[garbaldy]

Yes that's just it they are taking the piss and will get caught out,

 

I still can't see how they can cause a serious bub style accident due to the licence though, that's due to a tosser driving style not a piece of paper,