Cars you didn't know existed until very recently.

[martc]

1967 4-Door Porsche 911 by Troutman-Barnes. This car was commissioned by the Texan Dr. William Dick, co-owner of a Texas-based Porsche distributor, and was coach built by Troutman-Barnes of Culver City, California. The wheelbase of the original 911 was extended and a second set of suicide doors were installed. The project had cost slightly more than a new 4-door Rolls-Royce, but it must have been worth every penny to the owner. It's now lost, presumed scrapped.

[martc]

The Katomobil amphibious concept car, USSR, early 1970's. As you can see the sides fold out to form a catamaran, it had a ZAZ engine mounted at the rear (I would guess there's even more ZAZ bits involved).

[Metal Guru]

2 hours ago, martc said:

1967 4-Door Porsche 911 by Troutman-Barnes. This car was commissioned by the Texan Dr. William Dick, co-owner of a Texas-based Porsche distributor, and was coach built by Troutman-Barnes of Culver City, California. The wheelbase of the original 911 was extended and a second set of suicide doors were installed. The project had cost slightly more than a new 4-door Rolls-Royce, but it must have been worth every penny to the owner. It's now lost, presumed scrapped.

The black and white photos look like it was commissioned by an undertaker.

[somewhatfoolish]

On 7/7/2023 at 3:52 PM, barrett said:

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say not only is the 234/6 a really good-looking car, but it's the only attractive car A-S ever built and the only one which is even vaguely interesting, with the aircraft-grade alloy construction and attempt to break into the sports saloon market. People often compare it to the Mk1 Jag, but that really wasn't the target audience at all. Jaguars were considered cheap, crass nouveau riche cad's cars and Real People wouldn't have been seen dead in one at the time. The respectable old-money high-quality sporting saloon rivals would've been Riley RM and the lower end and Lagonda at the higher end. After decades of making deathly boring old sluggers, there was nobody alive who would've considered an Armstrong-Siddeley as a sporting, enjoyable car for the owner/driver and the market was - well, what did they build, 1500 in total of both types? Yeah, the market was probably 1500 people in the world, which I guess just makes it even more interesting today. I think there's something silly like 20 survivors. A 234 is definitely high on my list of cars I need to try before I die.

In the context of its sector the 346 was pretty sporty, hemi-head with the option of twin carbs, servo brakes and other accoutrements usually associated with exotica. The styling was well executed but conservative stodge, as anything more adventurous would have seen their customer base go and order an Alvis instead. Too many superannuated carriage works chasing a non-growth market sector.

Perhaps consider a badge-engineered Sunbeam 90/roadster with the 234/6 engines, it would have cost a fraction of the 234/6 to make, Billy Rootes would have lapped up the idea and it would have appealed to far more buyers. 

[quicksilver]

5 hours ago, martc said:

1967 4-Door Porsche 911 by Troutman-Barnes. This car was commissioned by the Texan Dr. William Dick, co-owner of a Texas-based Porsche distributor, and was coach built by Troutman-Barnes of Culver City, California. The wheelbase of the original 911 was extended and a second set of suicide doors were installed. The project had cost slightly more than a new 4-door Rolls-Royce, but it must have been worth every penny to the owner. It's now lost, presumed scrapped.

So that's where Porsche got the idea for the Panamera!

[Sham]

Move the pendulum even further away from the steered wheels... That'll help the handling.

[MiniMinorMk3]

Porsche 928-4

In 1986 Porsche with AMG made a couple of long-wheelbase 928 cars. This led to the 1987 Porsche 928-4, which had rear suicide doors that opened like the ones on a Mazda RX-8.

[barrett]

Well, if anyone cares, a friend of mine has solved the mystery. It's a Desmoulins (of course) which featured two side-by-side engines of different size, theoretically gving the performance of three cars - a small engine for town use, a larger engine for touring and a combination, extra-large engine for high-speed work.

Annoyingly I actually have a few Desmoulins brochures so I probably should have recognised it. The earliest version seemed to have two small single-cylinder enignes working a single gearbox/prop and normal back axle (how?) but later cars had a very complicated all-in-one transaxle thing which, again, I don't quite understand how it worked. But I suppose it probably didn't, or at least not very well. It's not thought any were actually sold and that 1922 chassis is probably as far as the project went.

[somewhatfoolish]

That's not the stupidest car idea I've read about, but it's in the top ten.

[Spurious]

 

Seen one of these today, couldn't remember ever seeing one before. Mustn't be a massive seller. Looked like a Golf/Focus sized crossover. A Bayon. Whatever that means.

[AnthonyG]

On 7/5/2023 at 9:42 PM, TheOtherStu said:

Today, I saw a Volkswagen Taro. I dunno why, but I've seen other Toyota Hilux rebrands, but don't remember this one.

It was much sheddier than this picture and an H reg, but like this:

Frankly, it was shit. Had loads of dents, loads of rust and a couple of very dodgy looking gents driving it.
A quick look did suggest that it had MOT, Tax and Insurance!

I vaguely remember a few of these getting sold by South Hereford Garages, the early ones ran alongside the Mk1 Golf Caddy but then sort of replaced it (the dealer told me the Yugoslav civil war stopped supply of Caddys, which were built in Slovenia).

Neither model was popular in the local area. There was a successful Toyota dealer who sold quite a few Hiluxes so I assume Taros were more expensive, thus rather pointless where farmers were the main market.

The Caddy was cheaper but struggled to sell - rural tradesmen like carpenters wanting a 2wd pickup bought a Ford P100 (same sort of price range but more load space) and most of the farmers got the 4wd Subaru MV - they were everywhere. 

[nomiST]

46 minutes ago, Spurious said:

 

Seen one of these today, couldn't remember ever seeing one before. Mustn't be a massive seller. Looked like a Golf/Focus sized crossover. A Bayon. Whatever that means.

A bigger bayonet(te)?

[adw1977]

Bayon is an amazing ancient temple in Cambodia. I'm lucky enough to have been there. 

[TheOtherStu]

3 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

I vaguely remember a few of these getting sold by South Hereford Garages, the early ones run alongside the Mk1 Golf Caddy but then sort of replaced it (the dealer told me the Yugoslav civil war stopped supply of Caddy’s, which were built in Slovenia. 

Neither model was popular in the local area. There was a successful Toyota dealer who sold quite a few Hiluxes so I assume Taros were more expensive, thus rather pointless where farmers were the main market.

The Caddy was cheaper but struggled to sell - rural tradesmen like carpenters wanting a 2wd pickup bought a Ford P100 (same sort of price range but more load space) and most of the farmers got the 4wd Subaru MV - they were everywhere. 

 I did read somewhere that VW bought these out because they didn't have a 1 tonne lugger and they had nothing to put up against the P100. As you said the Caddy was too small.

Thing is, the Hilux had the unbreakable engine. They rotted before the engine died.

[lesapandre]

23 hours ago, barrett said:

Well, if anyone cares, a friend of mine has solved the mystery. It's a Desmoulins (of course) which featured two side-by-side engines of different size, theoretically gving the performance of three cars - a small engine for town use, a larger engine for touring and a combination, extra-large engine for high-speed work.

Annoyingly I actually have a few Desmoulins brochures so I probably should have recognised it. The earliest version seemed to have two small single-cylinder enignes working a single gearbox/prop and normal back axle (how?) but later cars had a very complicated all-in-one transaxle thing which, again, I don't quite understand how it worked. But I suppose it probably didn't, or at least not very well. It's not thought any were actually sold and that 1922 chassis is probably as far as the project went.

In a way as an idea - not so far off a modern hybrid - smaller electric for town use and a big motor for longer journeys - London's buses use something similar for start/stop these days.

GM used multiple-cylinder engines on their cars - that cut some cylinders out some of the time.

[lesapandre]

Daimler Conquest Roadster Coupe. The convertibles are better known - no idea they did a hard top. Five sold and one survives.

https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/28-1955-daimler-conquest-roadster-fixed-head-coupe/?lot=41823&sd=1

[horriblemercedes]

On 7/8/2023 at 9:51 PM, Sham said:

Move the pendulum even further away from the steered wheels... That'll help the handling.

928s are front-engined, so it's in exactly the same place relative to the steered wheels!

[Sham]

1 minute ago, horriblemercedes said:

928s are front-engined, so it's in exactly the same place relative to the steered wheels!

The 928 is after my post

[horriblemercedes]

Just now, Sham said:

The 928 is after my post

You're right, I was scrolling backward and forward and somehow mixed that up! D'oh

[MiniMinorMk3]

16 minutes ago, lesapandre said:

Daimler Conquest Roadster Coupe. The convertibles are better known - no idea they did a hard top. Wonder if the sold any or any survive?

It exists

[somewhatfoolish]

The Toyota Corolla Griffith; some loony dealer in the US decided that the world needed a floppytop Corolla and made 200 of them.

[Pieman]

Spotted a nondescript SUV thing in Italy today badged as a DR 4.0

Googling reveals it is an Italian-built rebadging of some Chinese thing.

[GeordieInExile]

5 hours ago, somewhatfoolish said:

The Toyota Corolla Griffith; some loony dealer in the US decided that the world needed a floppytop Corolla and made 200 of them.

The UK plate on that is rather exciting, to say the least.

[martc]

22 hours ago, somewhatfoolish said:

The Toyota Corolla Griffith; some loony dealer in the US decided that the world needed a floppytop Corolla and made 200 of them.

 

17 hours ago, GeordieInExile said:

The UK plate on that is rather exciting, to say the least.

The excitment rises to 11 -

[martc]

The 1977 Ford Megastar cocept made by Ghia.

[GeordieInExile]

2 hours ago, martc said:

The 1977 Ford Megastar cocept made by Ghia.

Yours for just $125,000!

https://www.dragoneclassic.com/inventory/p/1977-ford-ghia-megastar-concept

[Richard_FM]

4 hours ago, GeordieInExile said:

Yours for just $125,000!

https://www.dragoneclassic.com/inventory/p/1977-ford-ghia-megastar-concept

I remember the Usbourne Supercars book mentioned it with a picture.

[Wack]

Bertone B99 , a 2011 jaguar based concept car 

Jaguar must've been mad not to jump on that 

Scroll back to 2011 and Bertone had been in a parlous state for much of the previous decade. The arrival of this beautiful concept car at that year’s 2011 Geneva Motor Show proved that this hardy legend still had the ability to surprise. What’s more, it was styled by a Brit – the talented Adrian Griffiths.

While Jaguar was keen to distance itself from anything remotely retro, here was a styling masterclass that appeared classic without being clichéd. The B99 concept was also touted as a hybrid, with both a combustion engine and electric motors. Not only that, it was displayed next to a mocked-up racing version, complete with the mother of all rear spoilers. However, it came to nothing.

[bunglebus]

On 15/07/2023 at 23:06, GeordieInExile said:

The UK plate on that is rather exciting, to say the least.

It's on eBay

[Stinkwheel]

1 hour ago, Wack said:

Bertone B99 , a 2011 jaguar based concept car 

Jaguar must've been mad not to jump on that 

Scroll back to 2011 and Bertone had been in a parlous state for much of the previous decade. The arrival of this beautiful concept car at that year’s 2011 Geneva Motor Show proved that this hardy legend still had the ability to surprise. What’s more, it was styled by a Brit – the talented Adrian Griffiths.

While Jaguar was keen to distance itself from anything remotely retro, here was a styling masterclass that appeared classic without being clichéd. The B99 concept was also touted as a hybrid, with both a combustion engine and electric motors. Not only that, it was displayed next to a mocked-up racing version, complete with the mother of all rear spoilers. However, it came to nothing.

That’s bloody gorgeous for a ‘retro’ car design I don’t think you can get much better. 
jag were trying to kill off it’s old fashioned image, but still, I think that would have sold well