It's looking like the end of the road for shite motoring for me

[phil_lihp]

I'd second the idea of a 2-3yr old Kia or Hyundai, it'll be cheaper than an equivalent european model, will have done the worst of its depreciating, still have 3-5 years of warranty left and should be pretty solid and reliable.  

[D-Dubya]

I'd second the idea of a 2-3yr old Kia or Hyundai, it'll be cheaper than an equivalent european model, will have done the worst of its depreciating, still have 3-5 years of warranty left and should be pretty solid and reliable.

I was initially impressed sitting in kias in the showroom, but I have had picantos as hire cars and they were dire, on par with the Chevrolet Spark (now they are shite!). the Kia suffered from badly fitted dashboard and it refused to start when it failed to recognise the key.

[In The Pit]

Oh, that naff image of the Fiat 500. In your opinion, however it sells shitloads and holds its value so your view is best described as irrelevant.

I'm not saying it doesn't sell loads or hold it's value, but it still think and have heard others say and comment that the 500 has a certain naffness about it. I saw one today while waiting to cross the road it was painted in what I can describe as leopard skin how naff can you get, I thought it looked quite the chavs car.

 

I don't want to get into a slanging match i'm not into that, we both have different opinions and thats fine, it would be boring if we all thought the same.

[londonm]

I'm not saying it doesn't sell loads or hold it's value, but it still think and have heard others say and comment that the 500 has a certain naffness about it. I saw one today while waiting to cross the road it was painted in what I can describe as leopard skin how naff can you get, I thought it looked quite the chavs car.

 

I don't want to get into a slanging match i'm not into that, we both have different opinions and thats fine, it would be boring if we all thought the same.

Well I've got one, and it's been superb. What's your 'experience' based on? in fact, what do you drive?

[In The Pit]

Well I've got one, and it's been superb. What's your 'experience' based on? in fact, what do you drive?

That's great i'm glad yours has been superb and you like it.  As I said I don't want a slanging match.  I have an Audi A4.

[Barry Cade]

I can't imagine a Renault suffering from an electrical breakdown so was it a range under-estimation?

Yes, big style... it was the apprentice from the Renault dealer collecting thir courtesy car and dropping off a Megane to the customer because the customer didn't have the charging lead and there wasn't enough range to get it back to the dealer.... French Logic?

 

 

The Vauxhall Adam is a vehicular vajazzle. A Nova in costume jewellery. They make me angry. Word.

 

The 500- great cars, but sell because of image rather than because they are great cars, buy a 5 door one, which is a Panda.

[oman5]

I didn't go much on the fiat 500 until I drove my younger brother's 500 Abarth. (he doesn't do old cars. "image" is everything. )

It was magnificent. truly impressive and genuinely fun to drive. I don't want one, but it was a damned good fun car.

 

Seriously, I would at least test drive a sandero. I was very pleasantly surprised. the dci has free tax, is quicker than our 306 dt and does astronomical mpg (we've had a genuine 78) 

[trigger]

I'm likely to buy a Fiat 500 in the next year or so as my wife wants one and I like them and neither of us are bimbos or grannies, plus I can get a large discount via my sister who works for them.

[londonm]

That's great i'm glad yours has been superb and you like it.  As I said I don't want a slanging match.  I have an Audi A4.

So you have a boring mid level management job, and have a small penis?

[Split_Pin]

Just ignore him ITP, he's trolling.

 

I am personally glad I bought a new car for the family last year, I was forever fixing the Vectra and the Corsa was being temperamental at the time too. It was the warranty that attracted me, this way I knew that all I'd likely be shelling out for each month was the finance payment.

 

Not everyone's choice, but we've been lucky with the Chevy so far. Depreciation doesn't bother me as we will be keeping it for a long time. I still also have 2 old cars to piss about with and if they break I can just get the bus for a bit!

[londonm]

Just ignore him ITP, he's trolling.

I am personally glad I bought a new car for the family last year, I was forever fixing the Vectra and the Corsa was being temperamental at the time too. It was the warranty that attracted me, this way I knew that all I'd likely be shelling out for each month was the finance payment.

Not everyone's choice, but we've been lucky with the Chevy so far. Depreciation doesn't bother me as we will be keeping it for a long time. I still also have 2 old cars to piss about with and if they break I can just get the bus for a bit!

No, I'm really not. Apparently I drive a naff chavvy car. Audi A4s are much more characterful.

[Cavcraft]

So you have a boring mid level management job, and have a small penis?

 

 

What was the point of that? He's been quite polite towards you, stated that he didn't want a slanging match, and you shoot your mouth off. Nice one, you must be very proud?   

 

 

 

I'm glad there's some love for the 500 on here, they might be a 'style' car for some but they do look great in the right colour. Our kids have pretty much grown up now so we don't really need a big car, and a 500 (or Adam or possibly DS) would be ideal. The only fly in the ointment is that I don't need a new car, I just fancy one. 

[barefoot]

I had a look at a Zoe...

...That said, if I win Euromillions then I'd have one as third or fourth car just for local running about...

If I won Euromillions, I'd probably by an X300 for local journeys.

 

I think buying a new car, servicing it regularly and running it into the ground might work out financially.

  

 

I agree and reckon if you kept it long enough it would. You'd just have to persevere though the pain barrier (depreciation and then the bills when the warranty runs out) and grin and bear it. I expect a lot is down to how you drive and how well things are serviced, to be honest.

Out of interest, 944 bought at seven years old for seven thousand pounds. It was £36,000 new so I think that much of its heavy depreciation was done. It has been serviced regularly with lots of nice oil.

I've had it almost twenty years, it's done around 250,000 miles and does a 54 mile round journey daily at 28 ish mpg.

 

As I said earlier, it's utter shite.

[Cavcraft]

I'm not sure if 'd have one myself, but those Boxster things are getting cheap nowdays.

[Split_Pin]

Talking of cheap, there was an Audi A8 for sale on Autotrader the other day for £695. As long as I factored my own eventual suicide into the man-maths equation, I think it would make great financial sense to go and buy it.

[Cavcraft]

Are they the big 4.2 litre (or something like that) motors? One came up for sale dirt cheap at the garage my lad used to work at. I think the engine was rattling or something, so I gave it a miss and they weighed it in for £280.

[cort16]

I like the Fiat 500. So it looks good and has an nice interior. What's to be offended about?

 

The new generation of Hyundai and Kia's are on a completely different quality level to the ones made 3-4 years ago. A girl at work has just got a Velostar (which is a stupid car by the way as it has 2 doors on one side and one on the other) but it's very pleasant inside. I also drove a KIA Optima last year and was seriously impressed by it.

[barefoot]

I'm not sure if 'd have one myself, but those Boxster things are getting cheap nowdays.

According to my man with the shiny shoes who does all my Porsche spannering, Boxters are an absolute gamble. In his word, 'the engines pop' at £4,000 for a good used replacement it's a bit risky.

[Split_Pin]

This one was a 3.7. I'd love it but it would be madness!

[HillmanImp]

Talking of cheap, there was an Audi A8 for sale on Autotrader the other day for £695. As long as I factored my own eventual suicide into the man-maths equation, I think it would make great financial sense to go and buy it.

 

I did some basic maths on this sort if dilemma a while back.

 

http://autoshite.com/topic/11769-old-jaguar-or-modern-audi/

 

I was bored at work just now and reading about the Jag the Betaboy2.0 had bought. It got me thinking about how long it would take you to spend the same money running an old Jag as you would to buy a nice newish modern diseisel simply on fuel consumption.

 

So I am looking at a Jag XJ8 with an average fuel consumption of 20.25 compared to an Audi A3 dizzler with an average fuel consumption of 42.9 (both figs pulled from fuelly, not sure how accurate they are). I am looking at the prices for a 2010 A3 and I am settling on a price of £15,000 for the car. I am going to spend £1k on the Jag (the one I looked at the other week had been serviced, new chain and gearbox, no rust, 80k and was £900).

 

Based on current fuel prices of £1.300 for petrol and £1.357 for diesel this works out per gallon at £5.91 and £6.17 per gallon respectively. If you were to do 10,000 miles a year in each car the Jaguar owner would spend £2,918.38 and the Audi driver £1,437.96 per annum on fuel.

 

If you add this to the cost of the cars and it would take nearly 10 years for the Jaguar drivers total spend on the car and the fuel to exceed that of the Audi driver. At the end of the 9th year you would have spent £27,265 on the Jag compared to £27,942 on the Audi.

 

But wait I hear you say, what about the other costs of running a big Jag. It will rust and break down so will probably cost more in repairs. What then?

 

Well, adding into the fact that most people would not keep their Audi more than 5 years, they would be liable to sell the Audi for about £6.5k (about the right price for an 05 or 06 Audi A3?) and buy a new at £15k again it would mean after 10 years of car ownership the Audi driver would have spent £37,880 on cars and fuel compared to the Jaguar drivers £30,184 making a saving of £7,696 which should probably cover a majority of the repairs. On top of that the Audi driver would be due to spend another £8,500 on a new car to replace his 2nd Audi with a new one, spending another £8.5k making the saving for the Jag driver £16,196 before the process starts again.

 

Out of both of these cars which one would you rather have? Assuming my maths is right* I am planning on showing this to as many people who drive Audi A3s as possible.

 

 

*I think its right.........

 

Therefore you need to show this to your wife and get it bought.

[cort16]

I think some of those 3.7v8 Audi's might be front wheel drive rather than 4wd. Great 4 torque steer. The 4.2 ones are mega.

[gary_davidson]

I have one of these 

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310019048961

50+ mpg, £30 a year road tax so it's cheap to run. The warranty will have run out on this one, the 7 year warranties were only on the ceed untill 2010 when they rolled it out to the entire range.

[nacho man]

[quote name. Plus some of her patients have started commenting on it too as it looks a bit tired and sounds loud (diesel, no cat).

 

 

Who are her clients? Mariah Carey?

 

 

 

[Sigmund Fraud]

I don't think that Autoshite is the best place to ask for advice on buying a new car, even if it comes from a manufacturer with the undeniable shite credentials of MG.

 

Many of us use our cars for work, and one can certainly buy a fairly modern, reliable car for shite money (well under £1K). In fact, one can buy TWO such cars, tax, insure and maintain them for less than most Focus-sized new cars will cost in depreciation during the first year of ownership.

[NorfolkNWeigh]

With regard to the Fiat 500, we've got one that is mostly used by my oldest daughter( don't worry she has a beige 316 auto too) and it's ok ,but very cramped. I'm 6'3"and 20 odd stone so to think it would be as comfortable as my Chrysler would be stupid ,but I'd rather drive my other daughter's 13 year old 1.0 Seat Arosa,which is more refined and roomier ,and have chosen to use an MX5 or decrepit Disco rather than get a dose of 'Fiat knee' on a long journey.

[Split_Pin]

I think the main reason for my buying of a new car was less downtime in fixing broken stuff and if it does break, hopefully the warranty will cover it. Would still love a MK1 A8 though, they've got great prescence. Plus if it bolixes up, I'll paint it army green, add rust coloured paint to the completely aluminium body, put the air suspension to its lowest setting and sell it to someone with a combed-forward barnet and skinny jeans.

[oldford]

You can get a brand new Hyundai i10 for £55 a month, if you want hassle free new car motoring theres plenty of good deals out there on new cars.

[tooSavvy]

You can get a brand new Hyundai i10 for £55 a month, if you want hassle free new car motoring theres plenty of good deals out there on new cars.

Tyneside busses do a MONTH, ANYTIME PASS = £88   .... If you don't like a yellow one you could wait for a blue, red, green or orange one [but just not care where you get off!]

 

tooSavvy

[HillmanImp]

Tyneside busses do a MONTH, ANYTIME PASS = £88   .... If you don't like a yellow one you could wait for a blue, red, green or orange one [but just not care where you get off!]

 

tooSavvy

 

Yeah but you don't need to pay for insurance and fuel in addition when you get the bus.

[For Fiats Sake]

I had a hunday i20, was pre-reg dealer car with 4 miles on the clock, was roomy, comfortable and very well specced.  That got chopped in for a 500, I'm 6'2" and well built* I could fit but it was snug.  I liked it but didn't really gel with it.  That got chopped for a Panda which I prefer to the 500, drive and handling is better than the 500 and has more space too.

 

I bought the Hunday 'cos I wanted a "new" car for the first time in my life that I owned outright,  had the cash and did the splash.

In retrospect I enjoyed playing nice new cars for a while but they don't stay new for long, I grew

tired of them and never kept them long enough to do anything but loose money on each deal.

 

I still have the Panda which is gr9 for taking elderly mum to the shops etc and provides a good back up to my daily '94 999cc Panda which happily takes me everywhere else.