Scrappage storage... look and weep !

[gtd2000]

I hope your Picanto has broken down continuously on you

Unlikely - it was deemed the UK's most reliable small car in 2010

 

I bought a used one for my mum almost 3 years ago and think it's a cracking little car overall - and the brakes are something to behold too!

 

Been driving a KIA Forte for the past two weeks and each time I get in another car I think the brakes must have failed or have a major problem - the brakes really are astonishingly good in the Picanto and Forte models I've driven!

 

Yeah right. Please excuse me for finding this difficult to believe but Kia build average cars (at best) with bloody fantastic brakes? It is more likely you are usually driving a shed around with knackered brakes.

I was "fortunate" enough to drive a Kia Picanto whislst on holiday last year and it was nothing outstandind at all.

It was a hire car but i didn't thrash it i'm 50 years old so i simply don't thrash cars these days and in the interests of keeping an open mind i was doing my best to be fair, the economy was not good it was at best slightly below average for the type of car. I didn't even have the aircon on because the economy was not good enough. The only notable thing about the car was the mass expanse of cheap grey and black plastic. Oh and it was silver. The headlights were quite good, bright etc and the seat was reasonably comfortable for short journeys.

Fair opinion, i do not work in the motor trade and have no axe to grind.

 

The £6,500 Kia Picanto from Korea has come out tops in a test to find Britain's most reliable car, with the Land Rover Discovery 3 footing the table of 26,000 cars

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/835817-6-500-kia-picanto-voted-uks-most-reliable-car#ixzz1Ga9vL1UO

 

Which Rates KIA Picanto UK's Most Reliable Car

Thu, 22 Jul 2010

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/buying-and-selling/2010-07/which-top-car

 

KIA revised the Picanto braking system from all round discs to drums on the rear (due to the awesome stopping power - which many owners did not like!) for the later editions

 

I've been very impressed with the (54 plate) Picanto which surpassed all expectations of a KIA. The Forte experience reinforces that opinion even further.

 

You have to also remember the Picanto is one of the cheapest cars you can buy in the UK - that makes it even more impressive from my point of view.

 

Interesting read. Like WW VRS, My wife also has a Kia Picanto and it suits us well bearing in mind what she uses it for and what our expectations were at the time of purchase. Ours is a 1.1 auto, my wife does loads of stop start driving and has a dodgy left knee. It cost �6,300 pre-registered, with metallic paint, air con, electric windows front and back, proper cup holders, MP3 player. Loads or thousands cheaper than a Ka, Corsa, Fiesta, Clio. I agree the perceived build quality isn�t to VW standards, no spare wheel, cheaper plastics, carpets but it has less rattles than my vRS, in fact it has none. The paint is harder than my Fabia vRS and I've had a couple of niggles which meant returning the car for warranty work but none so far with the Picanto.

 

The engine is quiet around town. The brakes are outstanding, much better than my vRS. It is a slow car and it isn�t that economical � we get mid 30�s but an auto, around town � it�s OK. When it finally gets to motorway speeds it rides pretty well. Tiny next to useless boot. It can seat 4 people OK for short periods.

 

The supplying Kia dealer was good to deal with � years ago, they had been Skoda dealers until SUK removed their franchise saying they didn�t stack up. Took the Picanto back for it�s first service and Kia had taken the franchise away � same reason. Took it to the next nearest main dealer - very posh showroom, crappy service.

 

SWMBO hates driving the vRS � first time she borrowed it she found herself doing 100+ on the M25! LOL as she works for the police! I hate driving the Picanto, I don't really fit in it, the dawdling acceleration infuriates me and the brakes are far too powerful (hint of jealousy here). Horses for courses.

 

IMO and a few others, apart from luxury and sporting marques, the Koreans are about to give the rest of the world an object lesson in manufacturing and selling value for money, decent quality cars and the Picanto albeit flawed was the first warning shot across their bows. The Kia Ceed arriving soon looks great and is supposed to go very well. 7 year warranty! I'll still want my vRS or maybe an Octavia vRS sometime later over anything Kia ever come up with because I enjoy my driving and the ownership experience of running a quick Skoda! Briskia? You're having a laugh :thumbdwn:

 

Source http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/62669-kia-picanto-s-1-0/

Have to laugh at some of the biased comments - these little cars are really holding their value strongly.

[RedSparrow]

I know this has been said a million times, but the scheme was one of the most wastefull fuck-ups of new Labour. Someone should be prosecuted over it.

The fact that none of these cars can even be used for parts is despicable.

[fiatdaft]

prosecuted why? it generated extra revenue for everybody involved,it didn't cost the tax payer a penny as it was self funding due to the extra vat,if you want parts of them,go to your local scrappies they are full of cars like that,or if you want a complete one go to autotrader,ebay etc and buy one, these cars are there because they are unwanted remember.

 

people go on about what a waste or shame etc but when asked to put there money where there mouth is and save one they suddenly go very quiet.

[Cavcraft]

I don't know if I'd agree with all of that because the scrappage scheme meant availability (and price) of cheap runabouts was affected (effected?) and quite a few of us were busy saving old crocks. Yeah not everybody bought cars despite being offered on the cheap to save them being wasted but quite a few were saved and soldier on as daily runners for those on a low budget.

 

Some bloody rare and interesting stuff was wilfully wasted too, how many scrapyards had an A30 in them for example? Also the less available cars for parts the higher the price of said parts for them and the less chance of finding the bits you needed.

[dollywobbler]

prosecuted why? it generated extra revenue for everybody involved,it didn't cost the tax payer a penny as it was self funding due to the extra vat,if you want parts of them,go to your local scrappies they are full of cars like that,or if you want a complete one go to autotrader,ebay etc and buy one, these cars are there because they are unwanted remember.

 

people go on about what a waste or shame etc but when asked to put there money where there mouth is and save one they suddenly go very quiet.

 

That's a bit unfair. I DID put my money where my mouth was but even charitable old me could only save one car. The scheme generated extra value for car salesmen and Korean manufacturers - that's about it. Sorry, I know what you do but when it comes to who we need to bail out during a recession, new car dealers are well down my list. Bring back vehicle re-manufacturing I say instead of chucking away working cars. I reckon it all only happened because someone paid Mandelson a large chunk of cash, or there were some funny handshakes behind the scenes.

 

These cars aren't there because they are unwanted - they're there because idiot public thought they were getting a bargain. If there was no stupid scrappage, they would either have kept what they had, or sold it to shite-lovers and bought another second-hand motor.

 

The whole thing just encouraged consumer waste on a frankly hideous scale, at a time when the government was also telling us to be less wasteful. More people probably ended up even further in debt just to have a shiny new car which isn't even new and shiny anymore.

[M'coli]

prosecuted why?

It took the wrong type of used cars off the road - the well-maintained and roadworthy, not the shonky and neglected runners. The scrappage scheme as practiced here was the Spanish 'flu of cars, taking the healthy rather than the weak and infirm.

[trigger]

If you are driving about in a knackered old banger the chances are that you only have it because you carn't afford to change it, being offer £2000 for it hardly made much difference if your skint in the first place.

 

So what happened was all the decent, low mileage stuff that the elderly owned and looked after for years got traded in for a new Kia with power steering and parking sensors as they wanted a nice car to last them to the end instead of the old think they had bought over 10 years ago, So yes, it was a total waste.

 

On another hand though i was chatting to a salesman at my local Ford garage a few months back and he said that he managed to save a mint Triumph TR7 that got traded in so not all salesmen were crooks.

[andrew e]

Pack your shotgun boys... I scrappaged!

 

A lovely 306 cabriolet .You know built by Pininfarina alongside the Ferrari 456, all bespoke panels bar the bonnet (even the front wings) I had even changed the belt prior to scrappage. Electric hood perfect.

 

But.

 

It was worth £1500 tops and it was a month off a MOT with two low front tyres. So its a £1350 car now.

 

Its not the first time I have boight a new car, or a nearly new one. Or even a Kia (Sedona FTW!). I buy them and run them too the death/written off by foreign truck drivers. Its just what happens, I felt guilty sure (which is why I stripped loads out, the mirrors came off at the dealers!) and nicely wrote in autojumble pen the mileage and the new belt on the rocker cover for the finder at co-part or wherever. I still have some of the bits left. But at the end of the day I got £650 more than I would have done, and the next owner never got to wrap it round a tree/steal the S16 lump for his hot hatch conversion.

[retrogeezer]

lets not forget that it also took money out of peoples bank accounts that may well have been better spent elsewhere on helping the economy rather than into the profits of car manufacturers..

[fiatdaft]

dw i didn't mean you,i mean folk that saved them then offered them for sale for other people to save them,i don't think the gap for certain used cars was there for long ,there are 40 000 cars for under 2k on autotrader for example .

[Bren]

The whole concept was a damning indictment of a government which was dead on it's feet and that had really failed to grasp the biggest problem that our economy faced - the fact that country does'nt actually produce anything that it can sell.

 

You cannot rely on banks and service industries to generate your wealth - as well have found out to our cost, although a lot of people knew this to be the case, it's a pity none of them were the fucking clueless politicians who were in charge.

 

Wait until This government really starts to squeeze us, you will be scrapping your motor because you won't be able to afford to run it.

[Lankytim]

Most scrappage cars ended up in breakers, I presume these will too.

[Mash]

It's always been a hard one to call and I imagine there's a fair amount of old tat in among that lot that none of us would give house room to. On the other hand I'm certain there were a lot of nice cars wasted in the process.

 

Was it the success it was supposed to be? A sudden demand for new cars is great but are dealers and manufacturers now sat twiddling their thumbs for the next few years until this lot want another car and will it then be a case of "oh I only bought a new one because of the scheme, I wouldn't do it again besides this will last me for years now".

 

I wonder if it will have to be resurrected every so many years now to prop up the industry again, after all, it's nice to have 10 bags of sweeties in one sitting but it'll be while before you'll eat any more.

[eddyramrod]

I wonder if it will have to be resurrected every so many years now to prop up the industry again

 

Yes, what a great idea, use the British Working (Wo/)Man to prop up the Korean car industry. Well done, politicians.

[Guest Leonard Hatred]

They should introduce a tree scrappage scheme to prop up the industry I work for, bin your cankerous Scots Pine for a Korean Pine.

[Guest]

One point rarely mentioned is the fact that it hit used the used car industry hard - suddenly all these tidy old pensioner cars which would have been good news on a pitch were shuffled away and treated like toxic waste. Not to mention all the people who were previously quite happy buying a nice 3-year-old car every so often ponying up the extra for a brand new one this time round. This had a knock-on effect for anyone who assists in keeping the used car industry going (mechanics, motor factors, bodyshops, MOT testers) - most of these being homegrown small/mid-sized businesses rather than the UK arm of a foreign mega-corp.

 

Not to knock the jobs of the new car industry which were protected, but keeping the show-palaces open came at the expense of a lot of others - I know first-hand of people who were absolutely knackered for work when Mandelson rushed the scheme in. I'm of the opinion that most businesses should be able to sustain themselves without the government offering substantial help - get their overheads down, move to smaller premises, whatever.

[fotorabia]

Might be a good place for the Worlds Biggest Banger Race...

[overheadvalve]

Unlikely - it was deemed the UK's most reliable small car in 2010

 

I bought a used one for my mum almost 3 years ago and think it's a cracking little car overall - and the brakes are something to behold too!

 

Been driving a KIA Forte for the past two weeks and each time I get in another car I think the brakes must have failed or have a major problem - the brakes really are astonishingly good in the Picanto and Forte models I've driven!

 

Yeah right. Please excuse me for finding this difficult to believe but Kia build average cars (at best) with bloody fantastic brakes? It is more likely you are usually driving a shed around with knackered brakes.

I was "fortunate" enough to drive a Kia Picanto whislst on holiday last year and it was nothing outstandind at all.

It was a hire car but i didn't thrash it i'm 50 years old so i simply don't thrash cars these days and in the interests of keeping an open mind i was doing my best to be fair, the economy was not good it was at best slightly below average for the type of car. I didn't even have the aircon on because the economy was not good enough. The only notable thing about the car was the mass expanse of cheap grey and black plastic. Oh and it was silver. The headlights were quite good, bright etc and the seat was reasonably comfortable for short journeys.

Fair opinion, i do not work in the motor trade and have no axe to grind.

 

The £6,500 Kia Picanto from Korea has come out tops in a test to find Britain's most reliable car, with the Land Rover Discovery 3 footing the table of 26,000 cars

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/835817-6-500-kia-picanto-voted-uks-most-reliable-car#ixzz1Ga9vL1UO

 

Which Rates KIA Picanto UK's Most Reliable Car

Thu, 22 Jul 2010

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/buying-and-selling/2010-07/which-top-car

 

KIA revised the Picanto braking system from all round discs to drums on the rear (due to the awesome stopping power - which many owners did not like!) for the later editions

 

I've been very impressed with the (54 plate) Picanto which surpassed all expectations of a KIA. The Forte experience reinforces that opinion even further.

 

You have to also remember the Picanto is one of the cheapest cars you can buy in the UK - that makes it even more impressive from my point of view.

 

Interesting read. Like WW VRS, My wife also has a Kia Picanto and it suits us well bearing in mind what she uses it for and what our expectations were at the time of purchase. Ours is a 1.1 auto, my wife does loads of stop start driving and has a dodgy left knee. It cost �6,300 pre-registered, with metallic paint, air con, electric windows front and back, proper cup holders, MP3 player. Loads or thousands cheaper than a Ka, Corsa, Fiesta, Clio. I agree the perceived build quality isn�t to VW standards, no spare wheel, cheaper plastics, carpets but it has less rattles than my vRS, in fact it has none. The paint is harder than my Fabia vRS and I've had a couple of niggles which meant returning the car for warranty work but none so far with the Picanto.

 

The engine is quiet around town. The brakes are outstanding, much better than my vRS. It is a slow car and it isn�t that economical � we get mid 30�s but an auto, around town � it�s OK. When it finally gets to motorway speeds it rides pretty well. Tiny next to useless boot. It can seat 4 people OK for short periods.

 

The supplying Kia dealer was good to deal with � years ago, they had been Skoda dealers until SUK removed their franchise saying they didn�t stack up. Took the Picanto back for it�s first service and Kia had taken the franchise away � same reason. Took it to the next nearest main dealer - very posh showroom, crappy service.

 

SWMBO hates driving the vRS � first time she borrowed it she found herself doing 100+ on the M25! LOL as she works for the police! I hate driving the Picanto, I don't really fit in it, the dawdling acceleration infuriates me and the brakes are far too powerful (hint of jealousy here). Horses for courses.

 

IMO and a few others, apart from luxury and sporting marques, the Koreans are about to give the rest of the world an object lesson in manufacturing and selling value for money, decent quality cars and the Picanto albeit flawed was the first warning shot across their bows. The Kia Ceed arriving soon looks great and is supposed to go very well. 7 year warranty! I'll still want my vRS or maybe an Octavia vRS sometime later over anything Kia ever come up with because I enjoy my driving and the ownership experience of running a quick Skoda! Briskia? You're having a laugh :thumbdwn:

 

Source http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/62669-kia-picanto-s-1-0/

Have to laugh at some of the biased comments - these little cars are really holding their value strongly.

[/size]

If we are quoting, here goes:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/t131375-don_t_buy_a_kia.html

If they were worth more they would sell for more. When they introduced them into this country, they had to give a super warranty with them because even the budget prices scam didn't work. I say scam because the workers who build the things earn around £70 a week.

Kia Rio, remember that one? god awfull piece of shit that was, you could go into the dealer and walk out with one for £1, admittedly you would end up paying around 8k for it on the never never but the council brigade who seemed to buy 90% of them probably didn't (or weren't able) look that far into the paperwork.

I don't want to start ranting but it seems to me that some of the people who buy these cars are similar to the people who used to buy a new Skoda 105s Estelle or the Lada 1200 etc. The scenario of the old car which they part exchanged was due the (DREADED) mot and because it was over 12 years old and they would have to find £300 or so to put it right and get it through the mot for another year. The alternative was far more costly but the dreaded mot would not raise it's ugly head again etc etc etc

There's more, Kia workers have been threatening strike action, in 2002, 2004, 2008 and more.

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/kimty_s-korean-labour-unrest-looms-as-kia-motors-cuts-unionized-staff-1013494.html

 

"Unionized workers of South Korea's third-largest carmaker Kia Motors Crop. will hold a partial strike next week in a protest against wages, local media reported Friday.

 

Kia, an affiliate of Hyundai Motor Co., is disgruntled with the wage proposal from the management, claiming the Kia workers deserve same incentives the Hyundai workers receive under the strike-free wage agreement reached last year, local media said.

 

The management has offered incentives, a 300-percent bonus and a one-time payout of about 4,000 U.S. dollars, in exchange for a wage freeze in 2010, but the union has dismissed the proposal, according to local media.

 

The unionized workers will hold partial strikes for four hours a day starting next Monday.

 

Source: Xinhua"

Bit late now but this is off topic.

On topic:

I have a total dislike for the scrappage scheme and the Tyranical government who created it.

B-liar and his cronies should be hung for several things which have bigger further reaching consequences than the scrappage scheme but all the same they should have been hung before they invented the scheme.

[gtd2000]

If we are quoting, here goes:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/t131375-don_t_buy_a_kia.html

If they were worth more they would sell for more. When they introduced them into this country, they had to give a super warranty with them because even the budget prices scam didn't work. I say scam because the workers who build the things earn around £70 a week .

 

The link appears to have a fairly balanced view of KIA cars to me - some bashing them, some praising them. I'm not saying KIA is the greatest car manufacturer in the world, they are simply another Asian car manufacturer who is consistently improving the quality and image of their products.

 

KIA started off making cars based on proven Mazda mechanicals which should have been and did prove to be reliable - the KIA Pride (Ford Festiva in the USA) is well known for reliability and the ability to rack up very high mileages - they were making these things for Ford for years, same goes for the Ford Aspire (AKA KIA Avella) - a sister car to the Mazda 121 DB but in Hatchback form.

 

Where do these workers come from - Korea uses a lot of imported labour from developing nations and that may be why they get such lowly rates?

 

Don't forget the the cost to produce a VW Golf is only around 3000 Euro, so where does the rest of the money go - a Dacia Logan by comaprision is around US$1070

 

When I lived in Hong Kong, I had a girlfriend from the Philippines who worked in a Nike factory at one point (before I knew her) she was paid US$300 per month for her labours - sounds terrible I know - but the local employer she worked for previously paid her US$15 per month and she thought Nike was the best thing in the world at the time. It's all relative.

[AnthonyG]

Bit of a fuss over nothing really now, how many of those Range Rovers, Jaguars etc would have been scrapped by now due to the fuel prices?

 

A mate has just bought a tidy Condition 2 Minor, with 6 months MoT for £500, so that one probably wasn't worth £1750 either.

 

The only one I can get remotely 'upset' about is the A35, and who's to know the sills aren't constructed of filler and old copies of the Mirror?

[gtd2000]

Scrappage Schmappage.

 

I've just been given a little diesel to run around in by my employer which will cut the costs down somewhat...

 

 

Of course it's actually a 6.7-L Cummins turbodiesel producing 350 horses and 650 lb-ft of torque - but I digress....

[alf892]

I'm of the opinion that most businesses should be able to sustain themselves without the government offering substantial help - get their overheads down, move to smaller premises, whatever.

 

 

I reckon this should be bought to the attention of DAve and his boys:

 

Move the UK into wales..........rent out scotland and england on 'vacant possesion 'basis for a few years (Yanks for big air/arms dump?)then move back in when we got the cash

[CreepingJesus]

What Hirst said.

An assinine policy fronted by one of the the most pernicious politickers of recent years. If these cars really have ceased to exist (i.e if no Right Hon Member fancies amending the bill anytime soon), then the most sensible thing to do, would be to pool the spares to help keep other cars running. Won't happen tho', will it? That or a counterbalance of a £1000 grant from the government to keep your autoshite running, and help the little guys in the garage trade.

Having said that, I'd bet I know where the keys to the transporters are...