Future Scene Tax Specials

[Negative Creep]

This is moving on to a whole different debate, but electric cars won't become mainstream for decades. Our power grid simply cannot cope and we don't have the cash to install charging points at every conceivable parking space

[Mash]

I think the point is to look at what sporty models are the desired chariot of today with the yoof and buy up good examples of the standard ones that can be used to restore all the real ones that have been barried or trashed - we're all kicking ourselves for not stockpiling Escort Populars so we should buy as many Lancers, 3-door Focusssesesss and Saxos as we can now and squirrel them away so as not to get caught out in 2030.

[Rocket88]

Vauxhall Carltons, Senators,and to a lesser extent, Omegas.

[Formula Autos]

Dead certs (Ford and VW):

Focii - the sporty ones are widely regarded now, and these will no doubt go the same way as Mk 1&2 Escorts - with all 3 doors worth mega-bucks.

Ka - Soon, everyone will realise these were actually the new Mini (but not MINI) of the late '90s/early noughties, as they were on every street corner, loads of people learned to drive in one/ had one as their first car/ their Mum had one. With rust issues rapidly making them scarce, I expect these to become expensive realtively quickly. The Sports/Street Kas will become VERY expensive.

Golf - but the MK3 being bypassed, and the MK4 being the valuable model. Nothing wrong with the MK3, but the MK4 was a quantum leap over the opposition in terms of perceived quality (mostly the dash and those blue lights). The Mk 4 still looks relatively fresh, even today.

Corrado - for obvious reasons.

 

Long shots:

Mazda 323F - both the version with pop-up lights, and the one that followed. Smart looking, practical, but unusual cars. Just right for the classic car scene in 20 years or so. The halo effect and parts availability of the MX-5 will probably help too.

Galaxy/Sharan/Alhambra - how many people will have memories of their childhood centred around these things? The fact that they're mahoosive, and thus practical, won't hurt either. This would be uncharted territory for the classic car world - a classic MPV. The scuzzy survivors with interiors ruined by kids/dogs/builders rubble will drive up the price of the few survivors in good nick.

Jaguar X300/308 & S-type - they already look old, so will no doubt appeal to the classic world far earlier than other cars of comparable age.

Nissan Micra - a sort of (British built) Fiat 500 for the nineties. 'Cute' styling won't hurt its chances, and they may grow in value for the same reasons detailed above for the Ka.

Fiat Bravo/Brava - these looked different, and weren't bad cars. Now seen as disposable transport, so few will survive. Those that are left will be seen as distinctive, in a way that the Strada/Tipo and the Stilo that followed weren't.

SAAB 900 - the 'proper' ones though, not the later ones based on GM underpinnings. Unusual, and the last of their ilk - before the multi-nationals started taking everything over and platform-sharing.

Volvo 850 - last of the Volvos designed on an Etch-a-Sketch. The halo effect of the T5s will trickle down through the range, and the BTCC history won't hurt either.

Renault Scenic/ Citroen Xsara Picasso - for similar reasons to the Galaxy et al.

[Cavcraft]

Despite my 'uncharitable' feelings towrads the Focus I can certainly see the three door ones being sought after.

Was only thinking today how much the Ka was the new old Mini but I don't see a massive appeal for them in later years, probably because I can't see any appeal to them now.

 

Carltons and Senators rapidly disappearing from view and have been for a while but I expect only stuff like the GSi models and top range Senators at a push will see much value.

[flat4alfa]

I really can't see those big Vauxhalls being sought after.

 

They'll fall deeper into the doldrums as taxation increases on big barges, and the Vauxhall name is shelved. It will be an old obsolete brand with no image. A bit like Hillman.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Alfa, 145, 155 and 156. The ALFA Alfa's like the 75 and those older will be mega money, if there are any left, i guess they are more money now though

Fiat Coupe and the Uno, especially the Turbo, Punto? no except the Turbo, Fiat Barchetta.

Shitroen Saxo but only the vtr/s and the Pug 106gti.

VW Golf mk3.

Mercedes C Class w summat, the 93 to 99 model w202???

E36? not on your life imho the old ones are shite now and the newish ones look the same or very similar.

Audi? the 80? the A4?

The Rover 75 gets the nod from me too, especially in MG form, all MG's made by Phoenix in fact.....

 

 

Hmmm. Point missed by 100000000000000000 miles........

 

Alfa. Nothing - and I mean nothing mainstream Alfa after the GTV6/Sud will ever be worth more than a cup of cold piss. Only stuff like the SZ, the 8C and oddballs like the 155Q4 will have any collector/scene tax and the GTV/Spider may just be worth something. The 75 was a good drive but they were just unloved. The 155, ditto. All the Fiat era stuff like 33's, 145's and all that shit will just be forgotten. They weren't proper Alfas and everyone knows it.

 

Fiat. Barchetta, maybe. Coupe Turbo very, very possibly. Uno - no chance. The 127 has no following whatsoever (pity) or value to speak of. Example - put a complete rotten 1100L Scrote in a breakers and it'll be stripped to the last rivet in 27 nanoseconds. The 127 would be cubed whole.

 

C Class Merc. Eh? They were shit. A poorly made, dreary rot box with no interest level. AMG apart, they were a nothing car from the worst era of the 3 pointed star. MB enthusiasts will be glad when these turds and the W210 E Classes have all been weighed. The 190 has no real following and that was a half decent car.

 

Golf Mark 3. They may, in time, become scene in the way many dreadful, dull VW wasserpumpe shitters have. The point they become scene will be in 2019 when there are only 34 of them left.

 

E36. It's already happening. Nice 328i Sports are firming up in value, and the prices for mint M3's are on the climb back from the square root of fuck all. No, 4 door 316i's will never be worth much, but nice Coupes and, Verties are starting to attract owners who are keeping them nice aand restoring them. The E46 is now in the pits of council house hell and I don't see those ever beeing scene.

 

Audi? No. An early A8 might be a curiosity.

 

Rover 75? What is it with the love for this festering shitbox? They were a great idea that didn't really work. They will be fantastic cheap luxury bangers until the last one is driven accoss the scales. The few survivors in 10-20 years will be owned by smelly old geezers you would never, ever leave your kids with. They will never, ever be scene or valuable. Trust me.

[Guest Leonard Hatred]

I thought the 33 was considered a 'proper' Alfa, it's based on the 'Sud which was developed long before the Fiat takeover.

[flat4alfa]

+1

 

My 33 does not have FIAT AUTO SPA on it's vin plate. And it makes me smile like a 'sud did.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

The 33 was never that great. It was the Sud with a dull bodyshell, added weight, no extra power, inferior suspension and brakes. When the Sud went of production in 1983, mainstream cars like the Astra/Kadett had caught up and the XR3i and Golf GTi were ahead. I never liked the 33 much, it was a bit of an old pudding. Lots of Alfa rasping but not much 'go'.

The 33 wasn't a bad car, but they were not brilliant either. There were many, many much better cars around.

 

Fiat took over Alfa in 1985/6, halfway through the production run btw.

[wuvvum]

I've had two 33s and two Suds and, while the 33 is not quite so much fun to drive as the Sud, it's still more entertaining than most other mid-sized '80s hatchbacks, especially in 1.7 16v form - the only equivalent car I've driven that was more fun was a 309 GTI.

 

I would nominate the Cinquecento (and possibly the Seicento) Sporting. One of the last true small cars (apart from that ridiculous Toyota iQ thing, which is wider than it is long and is so hard to see out of that it can't be used as a driving school car), and quite amusing to drive. OK, objectively they're not the best small car of their time by any stretch, but then neither was the 126 and prices for those are skyrocketing at the moment.

[Rusty Pelican]

Suzuki Cappuccino ,

[pogweasel]

I think some of the 90's Civics will be a good future tip, they appear to be endlessly 'tunable' and a cut above euro hatches at the lower end of the modifying spectrum.

These are the sorts I have in mind:

 

 

[Gompo]

Most of the ones I would mention have been already. However..

 

Saab 9000 2.3 CS/Aero/Carlsson whatever perhaps?

 

Most have hyper miles, some have been raped for the engine. I'd like one now but a mint one in a few years time would be very desirable to me.

[fordnut]

Any ST, RS or Zetec S badged Ford.

Puma, Cougar, MK3 Transit, 3dr Focus, Focus TDCi Sport, MK5 Fiesta Black, Puma / Ka / Focus Millenium,

MK3-MK5 Ford Fiesta 3dr, SportKa, StreetKa, Ka (esp in Lux Trim), MK5/6 Escort 3dr / Cabriolet

MK3 Golf

All VW GTi, R, 4-Motion, Scirroco,

MK4 Astra SRi 3drs, GSi, Coupe and Cabiolet

All VXR Vauxhalls

Vectra Supertouring / GSi, Monaro, Omega esp MV6,

Fiat 500, 500 Abarth, Coupe

BMW E30, all M Series

Rover 200 BRM, MG Rovers

Audi TT, all RS models

AMG Mercs

Type R Hondas

Skoda vRS models

T5 Volvos

Citreon DS3, Renault Sport Editions

Unmolested Saxo VTRs / VTS

VW Transporter

Chrysler 300C

Skylines, 350Z

Peugeout 106 GTi / Rallye, 206 GTi, 306 GTi / Rallye, RCZ Coupe, 406/7 Coupe,

[AnthonyG]

Focus 3 drs

Millenium edition Ka Puma and Focus (yellow with black leather), special edition, these went in Mandy's tent in the Ford sponsored transport bit.

Mondeo ST200

Audi TT (first one)

MG ZT and the Rover V8 75.

MG ZR

MG TF

Fiesta ZetecS

Corsa/Astra VXR's

1990s standard Subaru Imprezas and Mitsu Evos.

Jaguar S type V8

The first Prius, the Jap market 4 dr saloon - somehow a few have made it over here.

Alfa 156/146 GTA.

 

The Vauxhall Astra Mk3, and poss the Cavalier Mk3 too, for 'the Ford Popular 100e for 2030' award. The Mk4/5/6 Escorts will all have rotted away by then, and no other car from the 1990s was as tough and easy to look after than the Astray. I reckon Vectras will have disapeared in the same way the Victor FC/FD/FE has.

[catsinthewelder]

Has anyone mentioned the smart yet? The original 2 seater had a fairly interesting 3 cylinder turbo engine which it shared with the roadster. I'd foresee the dull 4 pot mk2 and the colt based for4 being worth the square root of fuck all unless theres a massive halo effect.

 

Good call on the Cinquicento, I can't wait to see nice early sporting models being worth more than dull modern 500s

[kinkersaab]

amongst my collection of shite, i have a totaly standard mk1 impreza 4 door turbo with 75k, a low miles red Fiat seicento sporting, a couple of original c900 turbos, a limited edition r129 SL and one of those revvy v tec civic 1.8 estate things..vvti ? None of these cost me much, all of them i think will one day be worth more, and certainly wont be worth less, This is my justifacation for having them, and adding forever worthless shite like my rennner 25, saab 9000 and various old subarus to the collcetion

[Cavcraft]

Have we had the 205GTi yet? I can see them making near Mk1 Escort money in a few years time, and rightly so.

[face]

Has anyone mentioned the smart yet? The original 2 seater had a fairly interesting 3 cylinder turbo engine which it shared with the roadster. I'd foresee the dull 4 pot mk2 and the colt based for4 being worth the square root of fuck all unless theres a massive halo effect.

 

 

The MK2 (or 451 as it's known) has a 3 pot 999cc Mitsibushi engine.

 

And the Brabus version of any Smart will be worth shit loads in years to come.

 

Plus:

 

Xsara VTS:

 

 

19 16V

 

[barefoot]

I can't believe no one has mentioned the Fiat Multipla, particularly the early ugly one.

 

 

then there's the Audi 100/200 C3, the C2's have all gone, bar a couple on here

 

 

and the Audi Coupe,

 

 

the 5 cylinder engines in these are spectacular.

[ashmicro]

I walked past an early Multipla today in a hospital car park. It had a sticker on the back window that said "Wait until you see the front!"

[face]

 

[flat4alfa]

I walked past an early Multipla today in a hospital car park. It had a sticker on the back window that said "Wait until you see the front!"

AFAIremember that was dealer fitment

 

[messerschmitt owner]

The Frogeyed Scorpio is the PA Cresta of the 1990s.

 

I always preferred the PA to the Zephyr/Zodiac, hence why I had two of them. The Zephyr was only any good for getting the Raymond Mays Aquaplane head off for my dad's Allard!

[Guest]

 

 

I love MX-3*s. They're so cheap I might buy one, just for the noise and the inappropriateness of a 1845cc V6.

*Factoid : They were known as the Autozam AZ-3 in Japan, like a sister model to the batshit gullwinged AZ-1 which was a K-regulation special.

[eddyramrod]

I always preferred the PA to the Zephyr/Zodiac

 

+1!

 

To be fair, Ford almost caught up when they launched the Mk3, and Vauxhall dropped all their style at the same time, replacing the PA with the PB, so their positions were instantly reversed. Mk2 Zephyr? Only if I can't get a Cresta. Mk3?

Every time!*

 

*Please note, all opinions stated above are strictly those of the author and should be taken as fact.