The grumpy thread

[Mr_Bo11ox]

WANK HAMMERS

[scaryoldcortina]

"This post was made by freebird who is on your ignore list"

 

Shut the fuck up and fuck you are NOT the same thing. Bye, don't let your ego hit you in the arse on the way out (again)

[freebird]

So utterly infantile. Oh well.

Edit: I never went away, i just dont live here....

[Pete-M]

Pete, I've nothing against some sort of day running light but those DS3 ones are just ridiculous.

 

PS, you may not find it so much of an issue sitting up high in the Range Rover, most new cars have higher headlights than old motors and the cars themselves sit higher on the road, just look at the door line these days, I feel like I'm in a mini when alongside some stuff. The of course means that much of the beam is straight in my face.

 

To be honest, they don't even irritate me when I'm in the Jag, and that is anything but lofty.

 

The DS3 lights are bright, but only the same as the ones on an Audi or whatever. Lights should be bright otherwise they'd be called "Dims" and they wouldn't do the job they're designed to.

 

Mr D.W.Obbler, I like the DS3 because I tend to prefer wide cars to narrow ones and because I think the DS3 Racing is a properly funky looking thing to me. I don't do 'fashion' when it comes to cars, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Autoshite 2026 is lusting after pics of forlorn DS3s and commenting on how they were pretty damn funky other than *insert whatever it is that breaks expensively and often on them*. El Watanabe will probably be restoring a 2001 Mini One...

 

Small and narrow cars, with the exception of Mk2 Escorts, I just don't 'do' them at all.

[OwdChina]

WANK HAMMERS

 

As in sledge, claw and toffee i take it............not West Ham FC

[Pete-M]

[RedSparrow]

He's gone?

 

VICTORY IS OURS!

 

[trigger]

Have i missed something here? why are having a pop at freebird? I can't see any reason too, he's added content to the site for starters.

[Pete-M]

Have i missed something here? why are having a pop at freebird? I can't see any reason too, he's added content to the site for starters.

 

I wasn't. The opportunity to post a picture of the grave stone of the dearly departed Mr and Mrs Wank, taken by Dave Kuntz shouldn't need any excuse.

[trigger]

Sorry Pete, I wasn't referring to you...

[M'coli]

If I had to have a DS3, the DRLs are nowt a bit of gaffer tape couldn't sort out.

[freebird]

Everybody has their own opinions Trigger. On certain threads i love to debate and i do it passionately. I always respect others opinions but i will always say what i feel. Maybe that comes across as overly strident, its never meant to but, maybe it does.

Some here dont like it and, whatever people feel, there is an air of a cozy cabal here, certain people dont take overly kindly to newbies if they feel that they havent tugged their foreskins enough to gain acceptance. Hey, i left school 30 years ago, i dont need to feel that i have to be shouted down by others, surely?

People wish to put me on ignore? Thats fine if not childish, it doesnt bother me!

How odd tho, you can accuse somebody of being a ( obviously) brain dead sheep for choosing a particular car but you are not allowed to infer that said person is being a bit of a cock for thinking that way!!!! Bloody hell.

Anyway, that Trigger, im afraid its how the world works. I thank you very much for your kind words.

To everybody else that hasnt got me on ignore. I do appologise if i appear brusque, im far from that, i just love to get my teeth into a discussion. If thats so bloody wrong then is it REALLY me thats the problem or is it really YOU?

[Guest Len H]

Welcome all Practical Classics forum rejects.

 

The DS3 seems a bit less of a sheepish buy than a MINI or 500 and they aren't completely gopping to look at so that's a plus.

It is a shame that cars are sold on marketing innovation now rather than technical innovation like Citroens of yore but there's no profit in technical innovation...

[ashmicro]

I think those LED DRLs look shit. My mate has a spankers S Class, and I think the lights make it look cheap, which at 75 grand it wasn't.

[retrogeezer]

The DS3 lights are bright, but only the same as the ones on an Audi or whatever. Lights should be bright otherwise they'd be called "Dims" and they wouldn't do the job they're designed to.

 

Sorry Pete, gotta disagree here as the dS3 running lights are far brighter than the Audi (and other make) running lights. Maybe it's the angle they are at on the bumper or something.

 

And it's not an issue with having 'lights' Yes, a car needs lights at night that need to be bright but you don't need a strip of 6 uber bright lights each side just to show your car is running. The fact it is going along a road is enough surely and if it is nightime you have headlights anyway!

What is wrong with just a normal side light being on during the day like a Volvo if you must have a running light??

 

They are just ridiculously bright for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than it's the 'in' thing.

[M'coli]

Those Corsa boys? All sheep, all buying the same make, carrying out the same sorts of mods and all congregating on the local retail parks at night to race, wheelspin and be twats...like we all did, didnt we?

Speak for yourself, I never did! I never drove owt fashionable enough to fit in with that crowd.

Whats going on? Are people no longer allowed to plough their own furrow?

The clever thing about this type of marketing is that people are allowed to think they are ploughing their own furrow and being individual.

 

The point is that it's only us car enthusiasts that have a care about the heritage that the DS3 alludes to - to those who don't do cars, it IS just another blob and they buy it because it suits them to own it.

[Justin Case]

What is wrong with just a normal side light being on during the day like a Volvo if you must have a running light??

 

They are just ridiculously bright for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than it's the 'in' thing.

 

My 1979 Saab 900 had DRLs, but they had 21 watt bulbs (same as a brakelight) and were front and rear. I assume that was the same system as Volvos had, I think that it was because in Scandinavia it is twilight all day for half of the year and they were a safety factor in poor light. My 1987 900 didn't have them, so I assume that there was no real advantage, so why are they coming back, and brighter that they need be for safety?

 

*I think that I've just answered my question with that quote

[freebird]

Those Corsa boys? All sheep, all buying the same make, carrying out the same sorts of mods and all congregating on the local retail parks at night to race, wheelspin and be twats...like we all did, didnt we?

Speak for yourself, I never did! I never drove owt fashionable enough to fit in with that crowd.

Whats going on? Are people no longer allowed to plough their own furrow?

The clever thing about this type of marketing is that people are allowed to think they are ploughing their own furrow and being individual.

 

The point is that it's only us car enthusiasts that have a care about the heritage that the DS3 alludes to - to those who don't do cars, it IS just another blob and they buy it because it suits them to own it.

Nor me!! Unless Hillman Hunters, P6 Rovers and Saab 99s were "fashionable"

I take your point about marketing but, surely, thats nothing new? The Maxi had fold down seats to form a bed, suggesting that people were "plowing their own furrow" by being sold a lifestyle choice that wasnt really a lifestyle choice...er sort of..

I understand about the heritage that we'd like to protect, precious few moderns will meet that criteria in the future but the DS3 just might.

Strip away the marketing and you are left with a decent car that, at least, tries to be a bit different. Maybe thats just getting harder to do?

[Pete-M]

 

They are just ridiculously bright for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than it's the 'in' thing.

 

The legal requirement for any car sold in the UK since Feb 2011 is that the DRL's produce between 400-1200 candelas (or 400-1200 lumen for cars that don't use LEDs) but there are no rules as to the angle of the dangle of the LEDs. So, if the DS3 has LEDs that happen to point at you they're going to appear to be bloody bright, it's because they are pointing at you, not because they're any brighter than any of the other LEDs.

 

1200 candela LEDs won't be what they're using as if Citroen used those the power required to run them would knock the MPG figure of the DS3 down by about 0.5 mpg in comparison to 400 candela LEDs and that would cost Citroen a bloody fortune every year in corporate gas guzzling taxes across Europe.

 

 

[retrogeezer]

they are still a fooking waste of time and totally unneccessary.

[autofive]

i wasnt grumpy about anything, until i came to this thread and i seem to have missed the start of world war three

[M'coli]

At least it's about cars!

[freebird]

At least it's about cars!

Amen!!

[Pete-M]

Dammit, I've made it to "Lancia Gamma" without knowing when.

 

This also means I'm only half way to "doing a Pog", so that'll give you lot something to be grumpy about.

 

[Timewaster]

i seem to have missed the start of world war three

 

It must be at least Autoshite world war seven by now.

 

Its not just us - it infects many parts of the interweb - eg:

http://passionford.com/forum/general-non-car-related-discussion/411098-hostile-forum.html

 

Love the first reply

 

I think strips of uber bright LED side lights are the new lexus lights as Barry boys are already nailing them to any old shit.

[CIH]

The DS3 is nothing more than a cynical marketing exercise based on the somewhat average C3 and aimed at the terminally gullible with more money than sense, who believe that by ticking the options box they are creating a personalised car rather than acting like the sheep that they are. Choosing a coloured roof from the 20 or 30 or 200 choices that Citroen offers still doesn't make you anything more than a sheep

 

To round off my case, holding my nose I give you this example of the target market:

 

Citroën’s DS3 is to appear in the music video for the brand new single ‘Broken Arrow’ by English singer-songwriter and global pop sensation, Pixie Lott. The partnership will be a UK first for vehicle product placement in a music video.

 

Marc Raven, Citroën Communications Director, commented: “Pixie Lott is one of the most talented and successful young performers of our time. We’re thrilled DS3 was chosen to appear in her new video – a happening vehicle for an up and coming artist.â€Â

 

Pixie Lott is a 19-year old multi-award-winning singer-songwriter from London. She rose to fame with her June 2009 debut single ‘Mama Do (Uh Oh, Uh Oh)’, which went straight to number one in the UK charts, Pixie has recently appeared as a guest judge on The X Factor.

 

Girlracer Magazine

Yuk!

 

OK, some of us may laugh at young lads with Corsas with their badly fitted body-kits, but they are at least trying to do something individual, even if their ambition outruns their ability, and one of them is worth 10 DS3 owners

So on that basis you wont be buying anything that is "cynically marketed" right? That means fook all thats advertised on TV between Corrie/Downton Abbey blah de blah, which will mean half the stuff you shove down your throat or wiped your arse with wont be on your next shopping list. All advitisers pay a small fortune for their product placement, why critisise shitroen for doing the same? What, you want them to advertise their cars with Saga or Anusol? Why shouldnt they target a younger market for their product? Why slag off DS3 owners? its their choice surely, to own what they want?

Sheep? Sheep? We are ALL sheep, all Autoshiters are sheep, all congregating in one corner of the WWW field, many shooing away the trappings of modern autodom, comunually loving 70s French shite and lamenting the demise of those little compass balls you used to stick on the windscreen of your dads Corsair.

We are no less sheep than the 1 million owners of Golfs, 10 million consumers of Pepsi or 25 million eaters of Fray bentos corned beef, or summat.

Those Corsa boys? All sheep, all buying the same make, carrying out the same sorts of mods and all congregating on the local retail parks at night to race, wheelspin and be twats...like we all did, didnt we?

Whats going on? Are people no longer allowed to plough their own furrow?

 

TBH dude I can't see what you hope to achieve by telling us how distinctive the DS3 is. Power to you if you like it but, other than people telling me so, I see nothing distinctive about it. To me it's just another over-styled, overly technical but under engineered bland-o-box and full of phoney marketing. On that point; every manufacturer tells us how different they are and this absurd obcession with contrived "first ever" scenarios is getting tiresome.

 

DRLs - I only have one thing to say. On a late model MX5 - FUCKING BRIGHT.

[freebird]

TBH dude I can't see what you hope to achieve by telling us how distinctive the DS3 is. Power to you if you like it but, other than people telling me so, I see nothing distinctive about it. To me it's just another over-styled, overly technical but under engineered bland-o-box and full of phoney marketing. On that point; every manufacturer tells us how different they are and this absurd obcession with contrived "first ever" scenarios is getting tiresome.

 

DRLs - I only have one thing to say. On a late model MX5 - FUCKING BRIGHT.

 

 

To be honest, im not trying to acheive anything other to balance up what is seen to be negative about a car that, in my opinion, is at least trying to be a bit different. There is enough boring crap out there, by comparison, you are right, its totally overstyled but that may be enough to make it that little bit different. Cars are now made with safety and efficiency in mind, driver joy is way down the queue, fucking sad but true, unless you spend money way up the food chain.

DS3? Well if it was debaged, you would still figure out it was a Citroen, Citroen have never really made too much thats bland and thats my argument, in a sea of blandness the DS3 is a little less bland. Phoney marketing isnt too relevent, if that marketing was so good it would be the best seller, it aint.

Phoney marketing is convincing Mr and Mrs Smith that that little electric vent shut off on the "All new super dooper Focus" really will save you £200 a month in fuel savings. Fords campaigns are vomit inducing and still manage to get people to buy cars more boring than Bog snorkelling.

Each to their own.

[Guest Len H]

[freebird]

[dollywobbler]

Citroen have never really made too much thats bland...

 

Apart from the ZX (especially the estate), Saxo, Xsara, Xsara Picasso, C3, C4 5-dr, C5 Mk2 (which they try to sell as German. It kind of is - does things very well and is horribly fuggin dull). I'm still not sure what a DS4 is, even though I've seen a couple in the flesh. It had no redeeming or even rememberable features.

 

Even the C6 is starting to bore me. Wacky arse but a nose just like anything else, and a dull, DULL interior. It's like they blew the entire creative budget on those rear lights (which are admittedly ace) and a curved rear window.

 

Mind you, Citroens are still not pig ugly like those built by parent company Peugeot. Small mercies perhaps.

 

EDIT - I forgot the C2. That's how memorable that ugly little piece of shit is.