The grumpy thread

[reb]

No. I just think it's a really fucking weird thing to say out of nowhere.

Politics section is over there.

[EspenO]

4019 pages of raving at the world in general, and THAT’S  where you needed a trigger warning? 😅

[Morris 63]

21 hours ago, maxxo said:

I guess i'm just more pissed off no one bothers with them

Mate, that line alone marks you out as a thoroughly decent bloke. 

[Rustybullethole]

Post. Rarely good news. NIP. 81 in a 70.

 

[GrumpiusMaximus]

10 hours ago, EspenO said:

Nowhere with customers accustomed to not lobbing your shite in the cart twice unneccesarily, for theorethical common good. 

All those tills do, is shifting the inconvenience on to the customers. 

I disagree.  If we can get through the checkouts quicker to pack subsequently with more space, it means the queue moves faster and the customers with fewer items are less inconvenienced.

There are very few things more frustrating than somebody taking an inordinate amount of time at a checkout when there are a queue of people waiting.

Your individual inconvenience is smaller than the collective inconvenience of everybody else having to wait for you.

Or, you just learn to pack the bag really quickly.  Which has been mastered in our household by my partner.

[reb]

1 minute ago, GrumpiusMaximus said:

you just learn to pack the bag really quickly

They even have wee hooks to hang your bag on if you're only doing a small shop.

[myglaren]

The customers in the local Lidl's and Aldis that I use all seem to realise how it works and will usually wave anyone with only a few items in front of them, the queues move quite quickly.

I realise that they are not all like that.  Had some of the family here yesterday and SIL was complaining about them, serves him right for loving in Thornaby and shopping in Middlesbrough and Stockton.

Asda is just a scrum though, not fun at all.

[Rustybullethole]

8 minutes ago, GrumpiusMaximus said:

I disagree.  If we can get through the checkouts quicker to pack subsequently with more space, it means the queue moves faster and the customers with fewer items are less inconvenienced.

There are very few things more frustrating than somebody taking an inordinate amount of time at a checkout when there are a queue of people waiting.

Your individual inconvenience is smaller than the collective inconvenience of everybody else having to wait for you.

Or, you just learn to pack the bag really quickly.  Which has been mastered in our household by my partner.

It's like blood tests. Big take a ticket system at my local hospital. As my number nears i've sleeves rolled up and been pumping my fists. The nurses are pros and mega efficient. The amount of pricks who shuffle in for a chat with their coats on. 

[GrumpiusMaximus]

Or people complaining that other people have been served before them when said other people have ordered a milkshake and they’ve ordered a three-course meal for them and their six crotch fruit.

[artdjones]

32 minutes ago, myglaren said:

The customers in the local Lidl's and Aldis that I use all seem to realise how it works and will usually wave anyone with only a few items in front of them, the queues move quite quickly.

I realise that they are not all like that.  Had some of the family here yesterday and SIL was complaining about them, serves him right for loving in Thornaby and shopping in Middlesbrough and Stockton.

Asda is just a scrum though, not fun at all.

It's usually the same around here in Aldi or Lidl. Maybe Asda attracts the wrong kind of shopper. 

[PhilA]

12 hours ago, hairnet said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy89lzv12z6o

hope it dont go east from texas @PhilA

Yeah, there is a big weather system of the coast right now. 

Here is warm and calm

[EspenO]

1 hour ago, GrumpiusMaximus said:

Your individual inconvenience is smaller than the collective inconvenience of everybody else having to wait for you.

1) You still get inconvenienced when there’s no-one behind you. 
 

2) it’s a false dichotomy. Lidl style tills aren’t using any less space than normal tills, there’s no reason they can’t simply provide enough space for bagging stuff after the cashier. While still keeping the flow going. 
 

[reb]

Who would win in a checkout process design fight? Two incredibly successful supermarket chains with more and more locations around the world and incredible customer satisfaction, or one grumpy boi on the internet.

[GrumpiusMaximus]

2 minutes ago, EspenO said:

1) You still get inconvenienced when there’s no-one behind you. 
 

2) it’s a false dichotomy. Lidl style tills aren’t using any less space than normal tills, there’s no reason they can’t simply provide enough space for bagging stuff after the cashier. While still keeping the flow going. 
 

In some countries, the tills have a metal bar that can be moved across to divide the end into two, with the bar directing the shopping to one side or the other.

These shops tend not to have large trollies but it works for hand shopping.  You can’t get two trollies behind a Lidl till without WW3 breaking out.

If you feel inconvenienced by not being encouraged to pack your shopping at the checkout, you can always opt for the self service and shorten the queue for everybody else…

[reb]

2 minutes ago, GrumpiusMaximus said:

In some countries, the tills have a metal bar that can be moved across to divide the end into two, with the bar directing the shopping to one side or the other.

These shops tend not to have large trollies but it works for hand shopping.  You can’t get two trollies behind a Lidl till without WW3 breaking out.

If you feel inconvenienced by not being encouraged to pack your shopping at the checkout, you can always opt for the self service and shorten the queue for everybody else…

I wonder what the Big O of a lidl checkout vs a "standard"* one is...

[GrumpiusMaximus]

1 minute ago, reb said:

I wonder what the Big O of a lidl checkout vs a "standard"* one is...

Tolerance of attempted conversations from people wearing flat caps.

[reb]

2 minutes ago, GrumpiusMaximus said:

Tolerance of attempted conversations from people wearing flat caps.

How does time to clear a queue scale with the length of the queue, I mean

[myglaren]

Broke part of one of the runners on a freezer basket.  I have had some "Tree Frog" 'oily glue' here for ages that would repair the damage.

But can I find it?  Of course not.  It has been four feet away from my desk for the past six months and decides now to go for a wander 

 

[vulgalour]

This was clean 60 miles ago.  I love Lincolnshire, I don't love the state of the roads in the winter.

[comfortablynumb]

7 hours ago, Morris 63 said:

Mate, that line alone marks you out as a thoroughly decent bloke. 

I used to think that all families ( well most) looked out for their grandparents/ kids/ grandkids. 

I realise now how naïve I am

I had grandparents and parents who would drop everything to help when necessary, I used to bunk off school, so my granddad took it into his head to teach me stuff, that I still use, and didn't tell my dad, who would have hit the roof.

When he did find out, I told him that I'd learnt more from my grandfather that I would've learnt from school( which was a crap one) and he was forced to agree!

I now follow the same philosophy with my kids and grandkids, and get it back, in spades .

Unfortunately now my kids have partners, I've been forced to accept that most families don't work like that, and my in-laws for my kids come to me for help long before their own families.

Sad state of affairs, but it's not going to stop me from doing it.

My dad (rip) told us to pay it forward, and I'll do that until the day I die.

Sorry must be getting a bit emotional, tomorrow is two years since I lost him.

Right, sermon over.

[EspenO]

3 hours ago, reb said:

one grumpy boi on the internet.

As much as I enjoy you employing every cheap rethorical trick at your disposal 😅 those tills were actually a major reason behind Lidl failing to crack my home market, then selling all their nice new build shops cheap to a competitor. 
 

It’ll all be self-service in a few years anyway. 

[EspenO]

3 hours ago, GrumpiusMaximus said:

In some countries, the tills have a metal bar that can be moved across to divide the end into two, with the bar directing the shopping to one side or the other.

These shops tend not to have large trollies but it works for hand shopping.  You can’t get two trollies behind a Lidl till without WW3 breaking out

ITYM civilized countries. They’re quite commonly found in shops with large trollies.

And your last sentence is precisely the reason why Lidl tills are hateful.

I mean, a lot of people seem to think a few slow people at the tills are the problem.

They’re not. 

Designing tills that deliberately ignore normal human variation in efficiency is the problem. 

 

[reb]

28 minutes ago, EspenO said:

As much as I enjoy you employing every cheap rethorical trick at your disposal 😅 those tills were actually a major reason behind Lidl failing to crack my home market, then selling all their nice new build shops cheap to a competitor. 
 

It’ll all be self-service in a few years anyway. 

What's this "rherorical trick" you speak of? I'm taking the piss out of you. Laughing at you. For caring so much about fucking checkouts.

[fairkens]

The point of the check outs isn't space, it's speed. If they get people through quickly they can go back to stacking shelves, so they employ fewer people which keeps the prices down. 

[reb]

I'm sure it's a coincidence that the lidl and aldi in my town are of comparable footfall and size to the tesco, yet they get by with only one or two tills open where tesco usually has at least three or four.

[ruffgeezer]

6 hours ago, Rustybullethole said:

It's like blood tests. Big take a ticket system at my local hospital. As my number nears i've sleeves rolled up and been pumping my fists. The nurses are pros and mega efficient. The amount of pricks who shuffle in for a chat with their coats on. 

Don't try that trick at a sperm bank. You may well end up blurting it up the first poor soul who offers you a sample pot.

[EspenO]

48 minutes ago, reb said:

What's this "rherorical trick" you speak of? I'm taking the piss out of you. Laughing at you. For caring so much about fucking checkouts.

Sorry for assuming any sophistication. I’m the only one who cares, am I? 😄

[EspenO]

12 minutes ago, fairkens said:

The point of the check outs isn't space, it's speed. If they get people through quickly they can go back to stacking shelves, so they employ fewer people which keeps the prices down. 

That’s a pretty charitable view of their business practices, I think.
 

Anyway, the shop’s there for the customer, not the other way around. If you treat your customers like cattle, you’d better be way cheaper than the competition.

[loserone]

Fortunately for everyone, they are 

[reb]

Show us on the doll where the german efficiency touched you.