Peugeot Diesels of the 90s

[BorniteIdentity]

Some good calls in here.

 

There’s no boasting about 40mpg tho - any old petrol will do that with me at the wheel. Genuinely - I can trot 42 out of my Avensis. Generally it does 38.

 

It might be that it’s not particularly worth doing. But - if I’d done it 5 years ago I’d have saved a fortune!

[twosmoke300]

Dont you like the OP ? polos are the most depressing cheap n nasty things ever made . The 1.4tdi is reliable but just sounds awful.

[Wingz123]

Dont you like the OP ? polos are the most depressing cheap n nasty things ever made . The 1.4tdi is reliable but just sounds awful.

I had a 1.4 tdi many years ago on a 53’. Stuck a tuning box on that and it would spin a bit in the wet in 3rd. Went like a rocket. 75bhp as standard I think. But yes being a 3 cylinder they do sound a bit weird.... can get some mileage out of those 1.4tdi’s though - have seen a few with nearly 300k on. One was in an Audi A2 with the 1.4 TDi engine....

[BorniteIdentity]

I had a 1.4 tdi many years ago on a 53’. Stuck a tuning box on that and it would spin a bit in the wet in 3rd. Went like a rocket. 75bhp as standard I think. But yes being a 3 cylinder they do sound a bit weird.... can get some mileage out of those 1.4tdi’s though - have seen a few with nearly 300k on. One was in an Audi A2 with the 1.4 TDi engine....

10/10 would be interested in a super rare 1.2 A2 or Lupo 3L !

[twosmoke300]

Oh I have no probs with the reliability of the engine . The rest of the car is just so bloody awful . 

Why is it tha 3cyl bike engines are some of the nicest sounding motors ever but all 3 cyl 4 stroke car engines shake like a shitting dog and sound like a skeleton wanking in a filing cabinet

[LessThanEqual]

1.9 TDI PD100. No DMF or DPF to worry aboout, though electrics go funny and VAG shite rusts. Managed 68.5 MPG tank to tank on my old 500 mile a week commute, switched my TDI Ibiza at 141k for the current Mazda 2 because it would go into limp mode randomly and number of codes it was throwing was starting to creep up. While the Mazda does 45 MPG from it's 1.5 pez it hasn't gone wrong once in the 20k I've put on it in 11 months. It will do 50 mpg if you really try.

[sierraman]

If you can stretch to a grand then a Mk4 Mondeo 1.8 TDCI. Big safe car, does a fair bit to the gallon and you’ve not got ‘old car issues’ for your daily commute.

[twosmoke300]

Careful with the 1.8 tdci - some have a lower timing belt that runs in oil which likes to break and no one changes them. 

[Wingz123]

Careful with the 1.8 tdci - some have a lower timing belt that runs in oil which likes to break and no one changes them.

Second that....mates father in law has a cab company and the 1.8 tdci’s in the mondeos and galaxy’s he rips out when they go wrongnand fits the mega old 1.8td from the escorts into them as apparently they are quite similar in layout...!? (I’m not a ford man)

[bolognasal spray]

 

Why is it tha 3cyl bike engines are some of the nicest sounding motors ever

 

fwiw I think the street triple, the speed triple and all the tigers sound horrible - whiny, whistley and painful. The mt09 isn't much better either.

[jon.k]

I’ve had a golf tdi pd 115, a 406 hdi 110, and at the moment I have a mk3 golf tdi 90 and 305 1.9d.

 

The 305 isn’t the best at 70 by any means and accelerations away from roundabouts are quite slow. It’s pretty frugal.

 

The hdi 406 was more economical but not a very characterful engine. Did the job fine.

 

Golf 115 was extremely economical, over 50 mpg really easily on a run, and a lovely motorway car especially with 6 gears. It did lose points with a dmf fail though.

 

Golf 90 probably almost as economical and really quite punchy in a little car. Streets ahead of the xud n/a on the open road and still no dpf, dmf, etc.

 

Sorry I haven’t calculated mpg exactly, but the tdi/Hdi’s seemed about the same, quicker and a bit more economical than the xud although that sounds the best when pootling around. It also smokes more and you have to wait ages for the glow plugs on a cold morning!

[somewhatfoolish]

Would Sir be prepared to be slightly oddball and consider a Honda Insight Mk1? An easy 75 emmpeegees and the possibility of 100 if you're obsessive.

[sierraman]

Careful with the 1.8 tdci - some have a lower timing belt that runs in oil which likes to break and no one changes them.

Despite that it’s a better place to spend 500 miles a week than a 205. If I’m honest I think you are asking a lot of potentially a 30 year old car, any XUD worth having now won’t have been used to regular use, subjecting it to 500 miles a week sounds like a lot of time at weekends changing wheel bearings and sorting out perished bushes and seals that suddenly start pissing fluid out.

[artdjones]

Best bet is a Xantia HDi - but only the 110 - plenty of power and 50mpg whatever I did.Also a very tranquil car to drive if your commute is long.

[Wingz123]

Would Sir be prepared to be slightly oddball and consider a Honda Insight Mk1? An easy 75 emmpeegees and the possibility of 100 if you're obsessive.

Is this motorway driving - if its anything like my prius you achieve more mpg inner city than you would on the motorway.... you do still get good mpg on the motorway granted but only a little more than a pretty economical diesel. As I say, in town/city they really come into their own

 

And BI’s run is mainly motorway

[reb]

 

 

Despite that it’s a better place to spend 500 miles a week than a 205. If I’m honest I think you are asking a lot of potentially a 30 year old car, any XUD worth having now won’t have been used to regular use, subjecting it to 500 miles a week sounds like a lot of time at weekends changing wheel bearings and sorting out perished bushes and seals that suddenly start pissing fluid out.

That's roughly the mileage I do, I would argue but I'm currently chasing seals that have suddenly started pissing fluid out. All good on wheel bearings sand perished bushes though, they're all new!

 

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[Ian_Fearn]

DIY LPG conversion of your Avensis??

 

Shirley you'll spend more money buying an XUD powered car and then getting it into a good state that you could trust it everyday??

[wuvvum]

Wouldn’t fancy 500 miles a week in a 205 Diesel.

I did >500 miles in a weekend in mine a few weeks back.  'Twas fine.

 

 

I reckon I get about 55mpg average, but then I'm not the most economical of drivers.  Pottering around like a giffer should give >60.

[Rusty_Rocket]

To be honest B.I, if it's just a financial decision, you're probably better off just sticking with the tried/ tested/ reliable Avensis.  Sure, you could buy something very tempting on paper, but unless it's less than a few years old, you ARE going to have to spend out on it, probably straight away.

I certainly wouldn't trust a Mondeo TDCi, Passat/ Vectra etc to 'just work' like the Toyota does.

A wheel bearing/ belt breakage/ clutch problem etc on someone else's cast-off will wipe out your potential savings in one fell swoop!

[castros_bro]

I suspect you know the answer is ....................... (120miles a day for me) the car is only as good as the previous owners so though an AX 1.5 D is a lovely commute I got through 3 in 3 years none died with engine issues, 106 1.5 D destroyed one and had one destroyed by thief damage. Three ZX 1.9d, two lost due to rot/back axle. Don't dismiss the odd ball like the Renault Megane mk1 1.9D now running for 3 years with only a couple of bits of wheel arch "agricultural" welding and will run on Bookers cheepo veg oil randomly dumped in the tank with the dino juice. There was also the 1000 mile trips to Portugal with cement mixers for them to contend with.

 

 

[Cardinal Wolseley]

Just make sure you have PAS, not sure if this was standard fitting by the 90's but my poverty spec non-PAS 205 1.9D was an absolute bastard when it came to parking, you needed the build of Popeye.

[bigstraight6]

I had a 1.4 tdi many years ago on a 53’. Stuck a tuning box on that and it would spin a bit in the wet in 3rd. Went like a rocket. 75bhp as standard I think. But yes being a 3 cylinder they do sound a bit weird.... can get some mileage out of those 1.4tdi’s though - have seen a few with nearly 300k on. One was in an Audi A2 with the 1.4 TDi engine....

They do sound a bit odd I agree, mines on 147,000 miles but it doesn’t feel like it. I’ve had a fair few Peugeot diesels such as 306, 405, 406 which were all great cars but I feel this VW is a better made car.

[davehedgehog31]

I've done over 4k in the 405 since getting it in June, no issues whatsoever.

 

As for MPG, I've been managing 52 with mixed driving, not hypermiling by any means but certainly considerate and anticipating the road ahead. Think a fair bit more could be squeezed from it with a bit of a lighter right foot, sticking to 60 etc.

 

I had a 2.0 hdi 407 before, I actually think economy was better, as were performance and refinement but the XUD is a simple big lump and I do actually like it's rustic nature.

[dozeydustman]

Having regularly driven a ZX 1.9D mingebag (Reflex) and a 306 DTurbo as my daily drivers they are pretty good on long distance runs for the MPGs. Lowest I ever got out of both was 41. Neither of them went wrong either, just needed the consumables any car needs - tyres, tracking, brakes and MoTs. 205 and 309 diesels are also great cars to drive and just as frugal as the 306 & ZX, the 205 more so. 206s are also good cars, but don't have the same driving dynamics of the 205 and its many relatives. All PSA XUD engined cars without power steering are heavy at low speeds though.

 

I'm going to put my neck out and say a Skoda Felicia Diesel. Comfy, used to get 50mpg+, best was 63mpg. PAS as standard on diesels. Also available in estate flavour.

[Partridge]

I'm dailying a 306 Sedan Mongoloid thing at the moment. Getting about 43 mpg, and I mostly drive on B roads, with a fairly heavy foot. I don't do stop start urban driving because I don't go anywhere near actual people anymore. No idea if that figure is good or bad, and the T-stat is needing replacement, which will be scewing things for the worse.

 

If you ask me nicely I might sell for £200-£300 ish, but the MOT has the life expectancy of a house fly and it will need about £300 spent on it for another year's test. But it does have a BOSCH PUMP OMFG.

[Kringle]

Hmm around 500 you say. We'll I've got a Xantia hdi 90 if that's of any interest? Going for MOT tomorrow so could have full ticket.

 

Or it could have no ticket, hah!

[Talbot]

If your main consideration is fuel economy, the XUD is now hideously outclassed. They are also very variable, as the injection pump timing has to be absolutely cock-on to get the best out of them, and many are not perfect any more as no-one ever does the (quite tedious) process of timing the pump after changing a cambelt. And I say that as a fan of the XUD.

 

HDi is immediately more fuel economic, and even those aren't even that brilliant when compared to a VAG TDI engine from the similar era. IIRC Laquer Peel was getting something like 70mpg from an octavia PD... that sort of economy is simply impossible from an XUD, and I've never heard of an HDi getting even close to that.

 

Even the little TUD engined cars are hard work to get hypermiles out of. If you drive it hard (which you have to to get it to move) then even the 1.4TUD engine can get as low as 45MPG.

 

You've either got to go for a mechanical injection car that has very little bulk to pull around, like a BX or a 309 1.9 XUD, which will get 50+mpg if not hammered, or a TDi or PD engine in something a little heavier, and look for 60+mpg. If fuel economy really is your goal here, there's only one sensible choice.

[Arthur Foxhake]

I used my 205td daily for a while, they are perfectly comfortable, even long distances.

 

 

 

Psst.

Wuvvum's 205.

[dozeydustman]

If my Saab wasn't knackered I'd offer it. Economical but I doubt it'll MoT again.

[davehedgehog31]

If we're purely talking fuel economy another spanner in the works are modern 3 cylinder petrol cars.

 

From my first full tank in the Citroën C1 I got 64mpg, that was still getting used to the car. I was rarely above 60 and paying attention to be fair but I think on a run you could reach 70mpg. Maintenance and other running costs are pretty much nil. Insurance group 3 and £20 Road tax. Easy to sell on as they'll always be popular with new drivers.