invacar LightBulbFun's Invacar & general ramble thread, index on page 1, survivors lists on Pages 24/134 & AdgeCutler's Invacar Mk12 Restoration from Page 186 onwards, still harping on...

[BorniteIdentity]

7 hours ago, Dobloseven said:

Hmm.Think we all have our little obsessions on here.Remember a certain red Ford Sierra for example.OMG it's the last one ever,got to be saved etc.etc.A lot of folk on here including myself and I believe Dez ,even chipped in to help repair it .Just saying...... We're a rum lot.Not as other men(or women)some might say.

Well, if you want to turn any avuncular and considered post from me into “whataboutism” then that is up to you. My little pet dog will follow you around and like your posts which will make you feel good.

On the other hand - you might take a step back, and see that my message was clearly a concerned one. Yes - a bit of fucking perspective - but concerned. I guess that will mark the conclusion of said concern. 

Once more. This is a trivial administration issue; not a deliberate act of vandalism. If my V5 came back saying Forde Sierra, I’d give it a little moustache and monocle and drive it to Edwardian days out. 

Further peace. 
(And hi, Dicky. Who’s a good boy?) 🐶

[Dick Cheeseburger]

1 hour ago, BorniteIdentity said:

Well, if you want to turn any avuncular and considered post from me into “whataboutism” then that is up to you. My little pet dog will follow you around and like your posts which will make you feel good.

On the other hand - you might take a step back, and see that my message was clearly a concerned one. Yes - a bit of fucking perspective - but concerned. I guess that will mark the conclusion of said concern. 

Once more. This is a trivial administration issue; not a deliberate act of vandalism. If my V5 came back saying Forde Sierra, I’d give it a little moustache and monocle and drive it to Edwardian days out. 

Further peace. 
(And hi, Dicky. Who’s a good boy?) 🐶

Ha! That's rich. Seriously though, if you're really that bothered about people using reactions to your posts on this thread, and it makes you feel unvalued, I suggest you step away from the place for a few days to relax and clear your head. 

LBF - how's progress on the motor? Is the kingpin no longer doing an impression of Katie Price? 

[Dobloseven]

1 hour ago, BorniteIdentity said:

Well, if you want to turn any avuncular and considered post from me into “whataboutism” then that is up to you. My little pet dog will follow you around and like your posts which will make you feel good.

On the other hand - you might take a step back, and see that my message was clearly a concerned one. Yes - a bit of fucking perspective - but concerned. I guess that will mark the conclusion of said concern. 

Once more. This is a trivial administration issue; not a deliberate act of vandalism. If my V5 came back saying Forde Sierra, I’d give it a little moustache and monocle and drive it to Edwardian days out. 

Further peace. 
(And hi, Dicky. Who’s a good boy?) 🐶

Hang on a cotton picking minute! We're talking about the "outskirts of lunacy".And now I've got an imaginary dog following me round!What the hell is going on?Nurse.....!!

[BorniteIdentity]

27 minutes ago, Dobloseven said:

Hang on a cotton picking minute! We're talking about the "outskirts of lunacy".And now I've got an imaginary dog following me round!What the hell is going on?Nurse.....!!

 

14 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

I am so worked up about it

 

10 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

I started out by writing a letter to the DVLA

 

19 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

I think I am within my right

 

18 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

it is for me an issue that is very serious and quite distressing,

 

Yep.  All completely normal.  Nothing to see here.  No reason to be at all alarmed or concerned.  

[Dobloseven]

56 minutes ago, BorniteIdentity said:

 

 

 

 

 

Yep.  All completely normal.  Nothing to see here.  No reason to be at all alarmed or concerned.  

I'm more worried about this imaginary dog of yours,to be honest!

[LightBulbFun]

6 hours ago, BorniteIdentity said:

Once more. This is a trivial administration issue; not a deliberate act of vandalism. If my V5 came back saying Forde Sierra, I’d give it a little moustache and monocle and drive it to Edwardian days out. 

 

I will admit I find your reaction amusing

its no secret that people here complain about the DVLA when things go tits up or get complicated, and a lot of people see the DVLA as this impenetrable black box if you will

so its funny how for once when I, try to fight that notion,

 

for once when an issue crops up, I decide  to write a letter to the DVLA to get it fixed, rather then just take it lying down

yet because I do so I get looked like im literally going insane LOL

I guess this is Autoshite's version of David vs Goliath, "DVLA: the final frontier"  

 

I appreciate the concern, but dont worry im not going insane, well I mean not in the normal sense, I imagine most regular people on the outside, think all of us are insane in here 

 

[egg]

[LightBulbFun]

6 hours ago, Dick Longbridge said:

LBF - how's progress on the motor? Is the kingpin no longer doing an impression of Katie Price? 

sadly not much to report on REV atm, everything is out of my hands at this juncture 

 

for those wondering, she aint coming from Red5 straight home sadly, she does need a bit more TLC (like sorting the worn kingpin issue) before she can come home, and for that another shitter has very kindly agreed to take her on, all will be revealed once things actually get moving and if the shitter in question is ok to go "public" about it  

[NorthernMonkey]

Please tell me Ceri isn’t fetching the bloody thing here?!?

I have an unfortunate habit of agreeing to things whilst in the pub but I can’t remember getting that pissed for a while now 😳😳😳

[quicksilver]

Bringing things back to Invacar chat, Steph idriveaclassic's latest video contains something of interest.

The Great British Car Journey have just acquired this Model 70 that isn't yet on display. No plates unfortunately but it's a handlebar-control Invacar. Any ideas which one it might be?

[BorniteIdentity]

3 minutes ago, quicksilver said:

 

The Great British Car Journey have just acquired this Model 70 that isn't yet on display. No plates unfortunately but it's a handlebar-control Invacar. Any ideas which one it might be?

That’s absolutely where it belongs - in a museum, off the King’s highway and under lock and key.

Let’s hope they don’t get a breeding pair. 

[LightBulbFun]

12 minutes ago, quicksilver said:

Bringing things back to Invacar chat, Steph idriveaclassic's latest video contains something of interest.

The Great British Car Journey have just acquired this Model 70 that isn't yet on display. No plates unfortunately but it's a handlebar-control Invacar. Any ideas which one it might be?

indeed that one be YVX281L  

I did ping them an email offering my services if they need any help with it, applying for its logbook, and help getting it back on the road etc but sadly they never did respond to my email.

and before anyone suggests it, I did ask @dollywobbler if he has any contacts over there, but sadly he does not

[quicksilver]

5 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

indeed that one be YVX281L  

I did ping them an email offering my services if they need any help with it, applying for its logbook etc but sadly they never did respond to my email.

and before anyone suggests it, I did ask @dollywobbler if he has any contacts over there, but sadly he does not

I see you mentioned it back in October so they've had it a while. Last V5 in 1992 so they obviously haven't obtained a logbook yet and may be in need of your services to identify it.

[egg]

11 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

I did ping them an email offering my services if they need any help with it, applying for its logbook, and help getting it back on the road etc but sadly they never did respond to my email.

That's a shame, they literally responded within the hour when I offered them my Mondeo a while back (they already had one).

[LightBulbFun]

16 minutes ago, quicksilver said:

I see you mentioned it back in October so they've had it a while. Last V5 in 1992 so they obviously haven't obtained a logbook yet and may be in need of your services to identify it.

Yeah! I also see IDAC talks about her Ministry Morris Minor and I am sure I could fill in a few gaps for her   I have tried to ping her on twitter and here on the forum about it

but sadly again, I never got any response back, I personally would love to know if her Morris still has its ministry tags and what they say on it, how they compare with the Ministry Mini's I have seen.

 

also to clarify what she says in the video, the Morris minor was not part of a separate scheme, it was all part of the same scheme

again a lot of people seem to think that Invacars where *all* the Ministry handed out, but no on the same Invalid Vehicle Scheme, you very much could be issued a regular car with adapted controls, if your disability was compatible with a regular car, and you required a regular car

say if you where a mother of 3, or a married couple, they would not just give you a single seater Invacar, you would get a regular adapted car.

 

her talk of codes is interesting, I would love to hear more about those see how they tie into my own research  (ministry codes can mean a few different things!)

[Dick Cheeseburger]

2 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

Yeah! I also see IDAC talks about her Ministry Morris Minor and I am sure I could fill in a few gaps for her   I have tried to ping her on twitter and here on the forum about it

but sadly again, I never got any response back, I personally would love to know if her Morris still has its ministry tags and what they say on it, how they compare with the Ministry Mini's I have seen.

 

also to clarify what she says in the video, the Morris minor was not part of a separate scheme, it was all part of the same scheme

again a lot of people seem to think that Invacars where *all* the Ministry handed out, but no on the same Invalid Vehicle Scheme, you very much could be issued a regular car with adapted controls, if your disability was compatible with a regular car, and you required a regular car

say if you where a mother of 3, or a married couple, they would not just give you a single seater Invacar, you would get a regular adapted car.

 

her talk of codes is interesting, I would love to hear more about those see how they tie into my own research  (ministry codes can mean a few different things!)

I never realised her MM was an ex-ministry machine. I see the odd update here and there on Twitter where others have liked her posts - the resurrection of her car certainly looks like a decent quality makeover. 

[egg]

10 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

Yeah! I also see IDAC talks about her Ministry Morris Minor and I am sure I could fill in a few gaps for her   I have tried to ping her on twitter and here on the forum about it

Could try [email protected]

[HMC]

I mean, we are all eccentrics here to some degree. I rarely follow my own advice given to others in general, and well thats just being human, and a British eccentric. We are loved the world over (or at least in my experience its 100% thats the case)

TL:DR 

Do whatever makes you happy

[BorniteIdentity]

1 hour ago, HMC said:

I mean, we are all eccentrics here to some degree. I rarely follow my own advice given to others in general, and well thats just being human, and a British eccentric. We are loved the world over (or at least in my experience its 100% thats the case)

TL:DR 

Do whatever makes you happy

You’ve never owned a car long enough to become embroiled in a bitter battle with the DVLA though. 😉

[LightBulbFun]

On 10/02/2024 at 22:50, LightBulbFun said:

and why all eyes are on Monday so to speak

so the dreaded brown envelope from the DVLA came through the door 

and in it is

*drum roll*

 

*just* a V5, nothing else, no cover note no nothing!

 

so on the surface now, I have a completely unsolicited 2nd identical V5 for my car.....

what amazing* communication from the DVLA here...

 

if I was not aware what they where fucking around with on the back end, I would have no idea why I have just randomly gotten a V5 from the DVLA!

 

im hoping that there will be *some* communication in the fellow few days or weeks explaining WTF they are playing at, ill give them the benefit of the doubt that, a separate  department issues V5's from the comunication depart and they cant talk to each other, so ill have to wait for a seperet email or letter

 

but I do fear im going to have to chase this one up myself once more

[Dobloseven]

17 hours ago, BorniteIdentity said:

You’ve never owned a car long enough to become embroiled in a bitter battle with the DVLA though. 😉

We've had "Mr Bates versus the Post Office."What about "Dez versus the DVLA!"

[Snake Charmer]

Is the new V5 correct?

[Dobloseven]

12 minutes ago, Snake Charmer said:

Is the new V5 correct?

I wondered that,but Dez is saying it's identical.

[LightBulbFun]

1 hour ago, Snake Charmer said:

Is the new V5 correct?

it is "correct" in that it says "INVACAR"

but the crucial thing is so did my last V5, from the 2020.

 

so they should never have issued me a 2nd V5 in the first place, since there was nothing on the V5 to change, and I never asked for another V5

 

it was *only* REV's (and other Invacar's) *current* record with the DVLA that was messed up because someone has fucked with the lookup table (thats my leading theory on it)

 

as for why another V5 has suddenly been issued

 

because from what I can tell currently, it looks like they have removed REV from the coded system, and someones just manually typed "INVACAR" with the manual entry system

they used same process for example if you have a vehicle you made a kit car out of, and need to change the name on the V5

"Citroen 2CV" to "Lomax 223"

so a 2nd V5 has been issued because the data on the vehicle record has been changed, it just does not look like it outwardly if that makes sense?

 

however they have gone about this completely arse about face, they *should* of just fixed the look up table itself that caused REV (and others) to become "INVACARE" all they would have to do is remove the errounous E from the look up table, and all the records would fix themselves 

 

but no they just have attempted to "fix" my record and my record only, papering over the cracks, and still leaving all the other records erroneously  displaying "INVACARE"

 

 

so I *still* have to do battle with the DVLA to get them to fix the lookup table entry, but now I also have to try and get them to re-instate REV back onto the coded system, so thats great, yet technical thing I have to try and get through an office clerk! 

 

I'd like to point out because I was/am aware that someone might try and just plaster it over like they just have done,

 

I in my letter and email to the DVLA never  explicitly asked the DVLA to fix just *REV's* record

I only asked them about the look up table, I made them aware that REV and others had erroneously changed, how I think this has happened how I think it could be fixed, but if I am wrong in my assumptions, if someone could explain to me whats going on

 

so once again it seems the DVLA have completely ignored my letters/correspondence 

 

hopefully this makes sense! 

 

1 hour ago, Dobloseven said:

I wondered that,but Dez is saying it's identical.

[adw1977]

If DVLA fix the look up table now, won't it change the genuine Invacares to Invacars?

[LightBulbFun]

41 minutes ago, adw1977 said:

If DVLA fix the look up table now, won't it change the genuine Invacares to Invacars?

that is a fear, but it does look like the DVLA did correctly setup a separate make code for "INVACARE" when they setup the mobility scooter stuff, but clearly someone fucked up the Invacar one at the same time

so in theory they should be able to fix Invacar with fucking up the genuine Invacare's 

at least thats how it looks like currently...

 

you will note on How many left, they do exist as 2 separate entries on how many left for example

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/browse/invacar

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/browse/invacare

note how under Invacar the only model code, is "MODEL MISSING" code 000 (which the DVSA's look up table decodes as the word "UNKNOWN" hence why you see INVACAR UNKNOWN or AC (ELECTRIC) UNKNOWN or "FORD UNKNOWN" the Unknown is just how how the DVSA read "000" you could change "Unknown" to Autoshite, and suddenly you would have a load of "FORD AUTOSHITE" show up on the MOT checker for example)

but note how under Invacare there is a model code for "MOBILITY VEHICLE" (thats what the DVLA call Mobility scooters these days)

so it does look like it is 2 separate entries still thankfully.

 

and the DVSA's own lookup table also backs this up, for example: try ONO454D (Genuine Invacar Mk12) vs Q120DAR (Invacare mobility scooter) and you will see how the former (ONO454D) still correctly shows up as INVACAR on the DVSA but not the DVLA, while the later (Q120DAR) shows up as INVACARE on both as it should)

 

I was fearful that they had indeed completely hijacked "INVACAR" for the Invacare mobility scooters

[egg]

Yeah, complaint time. No one you're likely to speak to in a customer facing role will have the authority to sort this. The Swansea person who can actually sort this probably isn't let near any actual 'customers'. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/driver-and-vehicle-licensing-agency/about/complaints-procedure

[LightBulbFun]

31 minutes ago, egg said:

Yeah, complaint time. No one you're likely to speak to in a customer facing role will have the authority to sort this. The Swansea person who can actually sort this probably isn't let near any actual 'customers'. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/driver-and-vehicle-licensing-agency/about/complaints-procedure

funnily enough a while back I did find the email address for the CEO of the DVLA, but im saving that for the nuclear option 

 

I just have to wonder would the complaints department even be able to hand it off to the right people? I need a direct line to the DVLA's computer systems/IT support desk, but its not exactly something they seem to readily supply

 

i need @GrumpiusMaximus to get a job at the DVLA for me  (or I get one myself directly LOL)

[egg]

25 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

I just have to wonder would the complaints department even be able to hand it off to the right people? 

I think that's filed under 'there's only one way to find out', go through the process.

And my approach would definitely be re: the ULEZ etc angle rather than 'your database is f-d m8' (as otherwise the impact is not enough for them to make the change). 

Or use the ICR angle suggesting that they should be working with their approved enthusiast groups.

[red5]

50 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

 

I just have to wonder would the complaints department even be able to hand it off to the right people? I need a direct line to the DVLA's computer systems/IT support desk, but its not exactly something they seem to readily supply

Dez, that isn't going to happen for a member of the public...