invacar LightBulbFun's Invacar & general ramble thread, index on page 1, survivors lists on Pages 24/134 & AdgeCutler's Invacar Mk12 Restoration from Page 186 onwards, still harping on...

[plasticvandan]

Shame on you lightbulb,that's not a Gordon,it's a Mk1 Reliant Regal

[LightBulbFun]

4 minutes ago, plasticvandan said:

Shame on you lightbulb,that's not a Gordon,it's a Mk1 Reliant Regal

Oh whoops of course! 

Sorry I was distracted by a Bright red Tippen Delta, literally! LOL

[666jjp]

@LightBulbFun have you seen the reply to your thread on RR ?

[LightBulbFun]

I have not, thanks for the heads up, ill respond shortly  (probably directing him to this thread/forum so I can keep everything in one place!)

(I do check in on my thread there but only every now and then, I mostly Just monitor Zels TPA thread there LOL)

funnily enough this is not the first time iv come across PPL787, its the 3rd time now! wonder if its the same chap as on the rum car thread (they both sign off the post with "David" so I think so ) 

first time was on the RumCar thread, then I found it again by its chassis number during my Stanley Argson research and now again on the RR thread! (I did duly make a post on PPL787's RumCar thread once I realised I had PPL787's chassis number)

On 08/02/2020 at 20:39, LightBulbFun said:

speaking Stanley Argsons, when I was running the chassis numbers and came across PPL787 I couldent help but feel like I had seen that registration before

On 31/01/2020 at 00:35, LightBulbFun said:

this is interesting, came across PPL787 a Stanley Argson Model 44, when running Model 44 chassis numbers through my tool

the interesting thing about it, is it "acts" exactly like JNJ135L does

it shows up in 3rd party tools, shows up in the MOT checker, but WONT show up in the main DVLA/tax checker 

and like JNJ135L it does not have a CoD, that would normally cause such a situation...

I really do wonder why these 2 vehicles wont show up on the DVLA checker themselves, and what would you do as an owner of one! (I guess call the DVLA about it?)

its interesting to note that when I try and check the Tax status of both with my 3rd party I get a null result, I wonder if somehow the taxation status for these 2 vehicles has been corrupted or went missing

and as such the DVLA checker for some reason cant handle this and refuses to show the vehicle?  it is worth noting that for CoD issued vehicles the taxation info also returns null on 3rd party tools

(little bit frustrating too, as PPL787 has a some slight oddities about its info, that make me curious for its tax due date)

and I wasn't wrong! http://rumcars.org/forum/index.php?topic=5537.0

 

Looks like its a survivor  (and possible one that was in service for a long time going by the 12 inch wheel fitted at the front)

I find it a bit amusing he, doesn't know the chassis number of it, meanwhile I came across it (again) via its chassis number!

 

but the Model 70 is a new one to me/not one I immediately recognise, so thats pretty exciting

 

 

but I wonder if its JPA319N or not...

On 23/02/2019 at 12:15, LightBulbFun said:

JPA319N, AC, Date of first registration 22 May 1975, Current status Unknown, last spotted for sale on ebay around 2012? minus drive-train, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued  6 December 1994

 

 

 

 

[LightBulbFun]

actually if the user @OldBlokeInACaravan is anything to go by

he is already on the forum!

hello!  

wonder if he has made the same post over here but its waiting for authentication?

[privilege abuse]  @Mrs6C @brownnova @chaseracer could one of you check if thats the case?  [/privilege abuse]

[brownnova]

Nope, no pending posts. 

[lanciamatt]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1964532800535954/permalink/2921953698127188/?sfnsn=scwspmo

[lanciamatt]

Not sure if you seen this 

[Mrs6C]

27 minutes ago, lanciamatt said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1964532800535954/permalink/2921953698127188/?sfnsn=scwspmo

Well spotted! Suggest @LightBulbFun messages the poster and asks if he'd mind going back and finding and photographing the chassis plate for the records. Lower body looks in good order!

[egg]

On 30/01/2021 at 14:45, LightBulbFun said:

the lever in the cabin you pictured is the fuel control, turns on and off the fuel tap, and I think there is also a reserve option  (keep in mind theres no fuel gauge!)

Yes, just in the same position as on the MK12.

35 minutes ago, Mrs6C said:

Well spotted! Suggest @LightBulbFun messages the poster and asks if he'd mind going back and finding and photographing the chassis plate for the records. Lower body looks in good order!

Yes, I reckon @BlankFrankmight actually get a couple of bits off that, even in that condition!! Chassis plate looks clear.

Keep up the good work LBF, you have more Model 70's on your list than I have K reg Mondeos on mine, so there's a target for me.

[barrett]

Great find! That wants dragging out, I bet there are loads of good bits on it. Who loves Invacars and is in the Midlands, then?

 

Edit to add: Just spent some time looking at that page. My word, there are some hilarious* facebook users. Reminds me why I don't bother looking at car-related pages no matter how interesting the subject matter might be. HUH HUH BEST PLAICE 4 IT M8 HUH HUH

[LightBulbFun]

1 hour ago, lanciamatt said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1964532800535954/permalink/2921953698127188/?sfnsn=scwspmo

bloody hell thats one hell of a find!

nicely spotted!

 

1 hour ago, Mrs6C said:

Well spotted! Suggest @LightBulbFun messages the poster and asks if he'd mind going back and finding and photographing the chassis plate for the records. Lower body looks in good order!

Yeah its a small miracle  the chassis plate has survived, I do wonder how much chassis is left under the remains of the bodywork

if its even remotely serviceable then it might be good for re-chassis some other Invacar Mk12's I know of who sadly have no known ID at all, once @BlankFrank is done taking bits off it he needs of course  

do wonder what its Chassis No is, as I have pretty managed to find/figure out the registration marks of almost all Invacar Mk12D and Mk12E's (which this one is with its 7 inch head lamps, Mk12E switched to Model 70 Parallelogram front suspension but I obviously cant see though fibreglass sadly to tell that! so I just know its 12D or 12E)

so it will be very interesting to see which it is, and if I had unknowingly found still on the DVLA beforehand  

 

 

looks like I cant comment on the post without joining the group and im part of enough facebook groups as it is! but ill send a message request to the chap who found it and hope he gets back to me!

[Mrs6C]

21 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

looks like I cant comment on the post

As others have noted, there can be some very odd people who post of FB groups, so probably better to make enquiries directly and privately to the OP rather than comment in public on that post. Public comment won't end well, I feel...

[Mrs6C]

There's this one as well...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159549111348203&set=p.10159549111348203&type=3

[LightBulbFun]

1 minute ago, Mrs6C said:

As others have noted, there can be some very odd people who post of FB groups, so probably better to make enquiries directly and privately to the OP rather than comment in public on that post. Public comment won't end well, I feel...

indeed thats what I meant by message request, its facebook speak for send someone a message directly (when your not already friends with them, hence the name message request, as its a request to talk via instant message)

and yeah, if I was allowed to comment I would just post something like "awesome find" just to register interest etc, all detailed discussions esp of chassis numbers etc I always take privately 

 

Just now, Mrs6C said:

There's this one as well...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159549111348203&set=p.10159549111348203&type=3

I think you may have seen that one before  

On 12/05/2020 at 22:09, LightBulbFun said:

XWC468F, Invacar Mk12C Date of first registration 24 January 1968, Current status with Blank frank, undergoing recommissioning, SORN, Date of last V5c (logbook) issued 30 April 2020

BTW did someone nuke a bunch of their posts again?

the Pre Model 70 survivors list that was on Page 135, is now on Page 134...

[OldBlokeInACaravan]

On 1/27/2021 at 2:24 AM, LightBulbFun said:

Bloody hell check this out!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114651835440

Stanley Argson mother-load! I really hope they end up in a good home and preferably someone I know so I can track their progress (how I wish I had a garage right about now!)

SPD906 UPE517 and UPE519 are all previously unknown Argsons I think, so its very exciting!

would love to know what their history is

UPE517 even shows up on the DVLA! untaxed since 1990 but marked as scrapped in 1999 I have a feeling it might be an Ex Heywood store, vehicle  (it never showed up when I searched the DVLA database for all 2000 Ministry Argons by chassis number as its DVLA chassis number has a Typo in it obscuring it from my search)

its a shame that they where all disassembled like that with all the parts jumbled up since it makes it harder to tell what parts belonged to what machine (they are all Ministry specification Electric Stanley Argson Model 44's but its well known that no 2 invalid vehicles really are the same!)

but immediately of note is the front fork fitted with a 1957-1975 Ministry specification 12 inch Dunlop LP 591 wheel, which was fitted to some Late surviving Argons in the 1970's to reduce parts holding and ease issues around getting replacement wire wheels

 

here is an image dump from the ebay listing to preserve the images after the listing is pulled by ebay when it ends

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hello @lightbulbfun the hoard is in safe hands!  It is going to join PPL 787... (by the way, the chassis plate was on it when I bought it but was badly scratched and painted over, I tried my best to register it and the DVLA said it was the wrong chassis number so have withdrew the registration number..... Could you let Me have the correct number please?  Any joy on the Invacar ID? cheers David 

[egg]

I've just commented on the post to clarify it's a MK12 (as Mrs Six has noted), but for reasons noted above won't ask any questions!

[LightBulbFun]

1 minute ago, egg said:

I've just commented on the post to clarify it's a MK12 (as Mrs Six has noted), but for reasons noted above won't ask any questions!

to be pedantic its an Invacar Mk12, I noticed in several places you have posted "Mk12 Invacar" always makes my eye twitch LOL

as its the same as saying "Robin Reliant" LOL  

[egg]

Hey LBF, if you weren't a little pedantic, you wouldn't have found all this stuff out. It goes with the territory.

Being an auditor by trade, I've done my fair share of it 😆

[LightBulbFun]

55 minutes ago, OldBlokeInACaravan said:

hello @lightbulbfun the hoard is in safe hands!  It is going to join PPL 787... (by the way, the chassis plate was on it when I bought it but was badly scratched and painted over, I tried my best to register it and the DVLA said it was the wrong chassis number so have withdrew the registration number..... Could you let Me have the correct number please?  Any joy on the Invacar ID? cheers David 

Ah hello! welcome to the Forum!

glad to see you are on here and that the gaggle of Stanley Argsons are in good hands  

ill drop you a PM with regards to PPL787 and your Model 70  interesting to hear that the DVLA withdrew PPL787's number it  finally explains why it does not show up on the DVLA checker, but does on the MOT checker and my special tools (as I thought its exactly like JNJ135L's who's number was withdrawn when she was sadly falsely declared manufactured 1965 and given the age related number HKH330C)

 

speaking of I sent a private message to the chap on facebook who found the Invacar Mk12, hopefully he sees the message request and responds!

(I know from personal experience these message requests can fly under the radar a bit)

[LightBulbFun]

yay I got a picture of the Facebook Invacar Mk12's Chassis plate

its not all that clear and he said that he will go back for a better shot which is very nice of him

but thankfully I have managed to get enough info that I think I know what its chassis number is (theres 1 digit thats not clear but I can see the stamped year/month of mfg and that tells me what the missing digit is)

 

of course it falls into the 2 blocks I have not found between MPU400J and MWC701J, so ill return there and hope I can find something (Im pretty sure MVW301J-MVW400J is a block but I dont know if its the first 100 or the last 100 sadly)

On 10/01/2021 at 13:04, LightBulbFun said:

and then between MPU400J and MWC70J im actually missing 200 cars so 2 blocks, I know MVW301J-MVW400J is again a block but where none show up on the DVLA anymore, but again since I dont know what the 2nd block is, im not sure where the MVW-J block sits within the 200 missing, it is a bit puzzling tho tho as I went through the Mxx-J Essex registration series's  and apart from MVW-J I dont recall finding any other Invacar sized holes, it could be I missed something or the block of 100 im missing next to MVW301J-MVW400J is actually 2 smaller blocks of 50, sadly Invacar Mk12 chassis numbers are just that, a string of numbers so I cant look up Mk12's by chassis number  with my special tool as they are not unique enough and there is usually always a newer vehicle with the same chassis number so I get that one instead

 

[Mrs6C]

1 hour ago, LightBulbFun said:

yay I got a picture of the Facebook Invacar Mk12's Chassis plate

Awesome! That's really nice of him.

[DVee8]

This just popped on on facebook

[LightBulbFun]

12 minutes ago, DVee8 said:

This just popped on on facebook

neat!  

its an AC petite, a large microcar, separate from their line of invalid vehicles

(although if you look at the Front suspension of an AC All Weather Tricycle and an AC petite you may notice some similarities!)

[DVee8]

1 minute ago, LightBulbFun said:

 

(although if you look at the Front suspension of an AC All Weather Tricycle and an AC petite you may notice some similarities!)

I can't see that ever happening, but ya never know 😁🤣..

[LightBulbFun]

16 hours ago, DVee8 said:

I can't see that ever happening, but ya never know 😁🤣..

Well here you go then!

AC All Weather Tricycle

AC Petite

[High Jetter]

That petite pic weirdly reminds me of an FX4! Smaller scale, obs.

[SmokinWaffle]

No chance of seeing the reg, but on BBC Archives Facebook:

[LightBulbFun]

4 hours ago, SmokinWaffle said:

No chance of seeing the reg, but on BBC Archives Facebook:

Yeah its a shame the reg aint visible, white on black plates means its an early Model 70, 1970-1972, and its a shame the rear lights are not clearer, that would tell me if its one of the 20 Prototype Model 70's pressed into Ministry service for user trials, which had Lucas L572 rear lights like the Model 67

I have never seen one in the wild sadly, but I know they where left in service even after the Model 70 entered production, and one (BPE29H) even survived until the end in 2003! so im hopeful a picture of one will eventually turn up  

 

not the first time its been papped tho  but as always I appreciate the heads up  

 

On 10/05/2019 at 18:24, Yoss said:

A clip from Frankie Boyle's New World Order last night on BBC 2.

Sadly far too low res to read the number plate, it's not just my crappy taking a picture of the telly picture. 

 

[LightBulbFun]

in Adam's Model 70 news

VJN960S's new V5 has been issued  finally Adam will have V5's for all of the original 4 (GTW614N GPF282N KPC538P and VJN960S)  (well assuming Royal mail dont lose this V5 in the post!)

 

and GTW614N's 2nd V5 with its details corrected, is on its way too (9999cc to 493cc and DISABLED taxation class to HISTORIC VEHICLE taxation class)

KPL139P and TPE376S also have had their HISTORIC VEHICLE V5's issued too