Absolute horse shit™ The official thread of Railton Heavy Industries Limited and it's subsidiaries.

[Heidel_Kakao]

1 hour ago, Cookiesouwest said:

2k tops. Could be easy ish fix or a bloody nightmare. Assume the later.

And it don't swim either, seems a bit limited. Could be a cheapish way of obtaining a B80 though, but the B81 is more plentiful.

[Heidel_Kakao]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/175107182588210/permalink/3993355380763352/

Everyone is acquiring Stolly's lately 😉

[Heidel_Kakao]

I would love to make a replica of Project Camion which was the Stolly proof of concept.

Project Vehicle 2 is the first real Stolly, it can be seen strutting it's stuff in the Land Rover video below.

 

[JeeExEll]

Couple of relevant short vids.

No sound in first one.

 

How much did these cost when new in, say, 1965 or 1970? 

Inflation multiplier is approx 22, 20, and 16 for 1962, 1965, and 1970.

[Heidel_Kakao]

1 hour ago, JeeExEll said:

Couple of relevant short vids.

No sound in first one.

 

How much did these cost when new in, say, 1965 or 1970?  Possibly classified info?

Inflation multiplier is approx 22, 20, and 16 for 1962, 1965, and 1970.

£60,000 in 1971 apparently. Quite a saving by waiting 50 years.

[JeeExEll]

Where did you find '£60,000 in 1971' ? 

(I meant purchase price to buy a new one at the time).

I don't think they would have been the best part of a million pounds each to buy (around £870k current adjusted value).  Perhaps there has been an error or maybe a typo.  Happy to be proved wrong.

To put things into perspective, in 1970 a new Rolls Royce Silver Shadow was around £9250, (adjusted approx £145,000).

[SiC]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1054950131698559/

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/200969158529380/

[808 Estate]

10 hours ago, Heidel_Kakao said:

I would love to make a replica of Project Camion which was the Stolly proof of concept.

 

Looks like they didnt do much extra designing for the Salamander fire engine version.

 

[barrett]

12 hours ago, JeeExEll said:

Where did you find '£60,000 in 1971' ? 

(I meant purchase price to buy a new one at the time).

I don't think they would have been the best part of a million pounds (current adjusted value) each to buy.  Perhaps there has been an error or maybe a typo.  Happy to be proved wrong.

To put things into perspective, in 1970 a new Rolls Royce Silver Shadow was around £9250, (adjusted approx £145,000).

Sounds about right to me. A Humvee is the best part of $200,000, a full-fat tank is like $4m. A stalwart would be somewhere between those two extremes of military vehicles, so I's say about a million dollars would be pretty much bang on. War is expensive, and a lot of people get rich building these things. That is, after all, why we have wars in the first place

[warch]

10 hours ago, 808 Estate said:

Looks like they didnt do much extra designing for the Salamander fire engine version.

 

That is pretty close to the coolest thing I've ever seen. I assume it didn't float, not a popular requirement for fire engines I'd have thought.

[808 Estate]

I think these were designed to have the water on the inside.

 

[808 Estate]

 

[dean36014]

So did the airport fire tenders run a different driveline? Just wondering how they got round the wind up issues on airfields.

[Heidel_Kakao]

On 26/06/2021 at 02:22, 808 Estate said:

Looks like they didnt do much extra designing for the Salamander fire engine version.

 

Project Camion was based on an early Salamander.

On 26/06/2021 at 16:10, dean36014 said:

So did the airport fire tenders run a different driveline? Just wondering how they got round the wind up issues on airfields.

Good question, Wikipedia says they are six wheel drive... maybe they just ran onto the grass occasionally to relieve wind up.

[colino]

Just a quicky on how much they cost new.  You will never find out the truth, we know what overall budgets for example the MoD has, but you wont get any meaningful detail.  On one hand they would say its a security issue, on the other, they never tell the truth anyway.  That's why you get the great expose every few years of the Army for example being allegedly conned into paying £2000 for a spanner.  Garbage like that hides all the hidden projects, the failures and the over-runs. 

[Heidel_Kakao]

3 minutes ago, colino said:

Just a quicky on how much they cost new.  You will never find out the truth, we know what overall budgets for example the MoD has, but you wont get any meaningful detail.  On one hand they would say its a security issue, on the other, they never tell the truth anyway.  That's why you get the great expose every few years of the Army for example being allegedly conned into paying £2000 for a spanner.  Garbage like that hides all the hidden projects, the failures and the over-runs. 

True enough, let's just settle on not cheap for the original price.

[chadders]

Sometimes it's for a different reason:

Officials said last week that the U.S. Air Force paid about $10,000 each to replace toilet seat covers on the C-5 Galaxy, a Vietnam-era military cargo plane that is still in service, at least three times and as recently as last year.

The Air Force says with the Lockheed’s C-5 production line no longer active, there is no company with a fully staffed assembly line ready to produce exactly what it needs. That means the government has to hire a manufacturer to make a mold of the original toilet seat cover, redesign two-dimensional drawings to make sure the cover fits, manufacture a mould for the part, and then produce it — effectively reverse-engineering the toilet cover and building it from scratch.

 

[Dobloseven]

1 hour ago, chadders said:

Sometimes it's for a different reason:

Officials said last week that the U.S. Air Force paid about $10,000 each to replace toilet seat covers on the C-5 Galaxy, a Vietnam-era military cargo plane that is still in service, at least three times and as recently as last year.

The Air Force says with the Lockheed’s C-5 production line no longer active, there is no company with a fully staffed assembly line ready to produce exactly what it needs. That means the government has to hire a manufacturer to make a mold of the original toilet seat cover, redesign two-dimensional drawings to make sure the cover fits, manufacture a mould for the part, and then produce it — effectively reverse-engineering the toilet cover and building it from scratch.

 

Sounds like they hadn't got anything to go on! 

[Dobloseven]

Off topic a bit, saw an Alvis TD21 today. Looked well used, but on the road and running well. Near Bridlington. 

[Heidel_Kakao]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Militaria-Vehicles-Alvis-Stalwart-/265207847871?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

It's only sporting to give you all a heads up. Very rare Swedish varient with FOCO side mounted crane.

I have arranged to view it and normally that ends with a purchase. People of the list, this is your chance, if you all club together you can escape the ban! Have your own Stolly, more useful than an Invacar, faster than a milk float, less economical than pretty much anything else, what is there not to like?

[anonymous user]

1 hour ago, Dobloseven said:

Sounds like they hadn't got anything to go on! 

Where is the baddum tish emoji when you need it

[Dobloseven]

13 minutes ago, anonymous user said:

Where is the baddum tish emoji when you need it

Next to the "I'll get me coat" one? 

[chaseracer]

46 minutes ago, anonymous user said:

Where is the baddum tish emoji when you need it

 

[artdjones]

4 hours ago, chadders said:

Sometimes it's for a different reason:

Officials said last week that the U.S. Air Force paid about $10,000 each to replace toilet seat covers on the C-5 Galaxy, a Vietnam-era military cargo plane that is still in service, at least three times and as recently as last year.

The Air Force says with the Lockheed’s C-5 production line no longer active, there is no company with a fully staffed assembly line ready to produce exactly what it needs. That means the government has to hire a manufacturer to make a mold of the original toilet seat cover, redesign two-dimensional drawings to make sure the cover fits, manufacture a mould for the part, and then produce it — effectively reverse-engineering the toilet cover and building it from scratch.

 

The Galaxy has been an overpriced disaster from the start and this kind of corruption has been a feature throughout the aircraft's life.

https://truthout.org/articles/weapons-that-will-never-die-we-need-to-stop-the-expensive-reincarnations-part-ii/

[Heidel_Kakao]

 

This has a Stolly in it and a pair of Scaracen. Love the dealership scene when they buy it, "fuck theRover 213 we want a Stolly mate", I was a bit like that when I got my first. Instant wibbles and grins.

NOP225F is still taxed too 😀

[Dead_E23]

Lockheed Galaxy. 

I wonder why military hardware, which you would not imagine to be an emotional purchase, tends to be given such brilliant names?

[AnthonyG]

I once heard a similar story to the Lockheed Galaxy toilet seat about Mercedes Benz Classic and their parts support. M-B are very hot on classic support (in Germany anyway) and claim to be able to source anything for any M-Bmade (cars anyway, and this was in the 1990s). A European restoration firm was rebuilding a 300SL for a client, and needed two chrome trim strips for the car. Can’t remember precisely what they were, but they were quite thin strips of metal, and one on each side of the car. They were also ‘handed’ in some way, e.g. each side was specific and not interchangeable.

One side they still had in stock, was the equivalent of about £20-30.  The other side, well none in stock, ‘but we will get it made, and you pay the associated costs’ says M-B.  

This turned to be a LOT (circa £1k or so) for a small strip of metal, due to fabricating something from scratch from Mercedes paperwork/drawings from 1955!

The restoration firm/customer paid up, as, well,  where would they ever find another? 

Bear in mind this was for a car that already had a very significant value pre-restoration and it needed to be right, so using one off a 220 saloon or whatever and ‘making’ it fit wasn’t an option. 

[Ghosty]

Merc's classic support really is that good (and cheap). My dad is something of a skinflint, yet he always used to visit the M-B dealer for parts when he had his 190E in the mid-2000s, something he never did with any other car he'd owned. 

[Heidel_Kakao]

48 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

Merc's classic support really is that good (and cheap). My dad is something of a skinflint, yet he always used to visit the M-B dealer for parts when he had his 190E in the mid-2000s, something he never did with any other car he'd owned. 

It's good to hear some companies take their heritage seriously. You could argue it's in their best interest too as classic Mercedes are rolling advertising for the brand.

[Heidel_Kakao]

If anyone would like a keyring please PM as they are now on general sale and the first one was posted today 😀

They are £6 delivered.

Sonic has one so why don't you 🤔