There is a bit of a chaos up here - Sink Hole on M 62

[Bren]

Oh the irony! Lots of money to be made available for flood defences.

 

And our government have pushed through shale gas extraction - you could'nt make this shit up. That will help the situation won't it? Well it won't help the environment.

 

I am waiting for some shitty spin from the tories along the lines of " the bore holes from fracking will help the water drain away."

 

A massive change in the environment/ nature is afoot - and it is being helped along nicely by corrupt human beings.

[pompei]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/13/flooding-public-spending-britain-europe-policies-homes?CMP=fb_gu

[doobietoo]

I am sure someone will say that the dredging they have done in Somerset must of worked as we haven't been flooded this year. It probably has more to do with the fact that we have had much less rain though, not that that will stop the moaners trying to blame it on the enviroment agency. The one thing that surprises me with all the pictures of tearful housewives moaning about their ruined photo album's and christmas pressies is did they not think to maybe just put them upstairs before they got flooded.

 

Yep I said that about the levels.... why do you think the people who know the land and understand how it works there were blaming it on the lack of dredging???...and I blame the EA because it is their fault for putting forward the idea that dredging makes no difference... you really don't need a degree from a minor uni to work out that if the rivers are half the size they will flow half the water.... Sooooo it rains and the natural "sponges" in the higher ground soak up the water but because the river is half the size only half the water that used to drains into the sea.....it then rains again and the Sponges soak up more water. Now what happens when the sponge is full because it is taking twice as long to empty??? Yep add water to a full sponge and it just drains straight off flooding huge areas as it goes....  It really isn't rocket science....

[garbaldy]

Ok then so it has to be dredging, who did the dredging for the cave men? why do we humans seem to think we can use brute force to get our own way all the time, flood plains are natures way of coping with excess water and have been around longer than we can do what we want humans.

 

I have lived here 15 years and the bottom grass fields always filled with water when we had lots of rain, new farm owner equalls massive machinery draining it and now the fields have been well drained the past two years, no ruined crops,

That's doesn't explain where the water that used to lie for months now is.

[red5]

Stop building on water meadows/flood plains.

 

Stop fully tarmac/block paved drives.

 

Dredeg/clear when necessary.

 

Actually unblock the overwhelmed drains. Build new/widen where appropriate.

 

'integrated plan'.

 

 

 

Hahhahahha. Just stop politicians getting involved, let the engineers sort it.

[forddeliveryboy]

And accept that places like York will always flood unless a Chinese-scale diversion river is cut through to the Humber. In my local town, a row of houses was refused insurance so one guy tiled everything up to 3 feet and moved the electrics higher up. I think he put one-way valves on the drains, too.

[Bren]

The PM has been talking to people in flood hit areas.

 

As if they hav'nt suffered enough.

[UmBongo]

Are all the cars that one sees submerged in water written off or can they be saved?

[Timewaster]

These problems CAN be solved, just like all the world's other problems.

 

But, just like all the other problems there are politics, corruption and hidden agendas in the way.

[ShiteRider]

Are all the cars that one sees submerged in water written off or can they be saved?

As far as i'm aware as soon as the water reaches the level of the seats they become cat b (break for parts only).

[Rebuilda]

maybe, if the water was dammed further upriver from the affected areas, then it could be released in a controlled manner and used to generate power at the same time. The land 'lost' to such a project and the obvious relocation costs of the previous owner and the cost of the dam should be cheaper than all the insurance claims, flood defences and cleanup operations?

I suppose the main problem is where do you site the dams to make them efficient.

Of course if you did that then there would be an immediate drought and people would moan about that too.

 

Just my laymans 2p's worth.

[forddeliveryboy]

York did this, they can hold in the order of 2.5 million m³ which sounds a lot but is probably less than a day's river flow when in full flow. Makes about 150mm difference to the flooding level in the city, they say.

 

The bloody Environment Agency puts everything possible in the way of generating electricity from watercourses/reservoir outflows.

[doobietoo]

 and moves the problems  further down ... 

 

 but it suits  the ' we must do something' spunktrumpets

So lets flood everybody instead of the few who chose to live in areas known for flooding.....all those people whose houses have never flooded before but now are loosing everything..... that's a much better solution.....

[Lacquer Peel]

So lets flood everybody instead of the few who chose to live in areas known for flooding.....all those people whose houses have never flooded before but now are loosing everything..... that's a much better solution.....

That's what's happening already, water is washing off barren farmland that historically soaked up a lot of floodwater, flooding towns and villages downstream.

[HillmanImp]

COBRA = Cabinet Office Briefing Room A for those that did not know.

[MarvinsMom]

which is a nice room in the bowls of the cabinet office where you can play with your wang while the world above goes to shit...

[Bren]

 

PM in cobra meeting.

[MarvinsMom]

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PM in cobra meeting.

in his wildest wettest dreams....

[willswitchengage]

maybe, if the water was dammed further upriver from the affected areas, then it could be released in a controlled manner and used to generate power at the same time. The land 'lost' to such a project and the obvious relocation costs of the previous owner and the cost of the dam should be cheaper than all the insurance claims, flood defences and cleanup operations?

I suppose the main problem is where do you site the dams to make them efficient.

Of course if you did that then there would be an immediate drought and people would moan about that too.

 

Just my laymans 2p's worth.

 

All of the Yorkshire and Lancashire rivers were heavily dammed upstream many years ago to supply drinking water, their capacity is far too small to prevent mass flooding, and they're generally kept full anyway as rains are so difficult to predict. You really need something of the Itaipu size to control flooding.

[chaseracer]

As far as i'm aware as soon as the water reaches the level of the seats they become cat b (break for parts only).

 

 

Oops.

[chaseracer]

COBRA = Cabinet Office Briefing Room A...

 

which is a nice room in the bowels of the cabinet office...

 

 

...hopefully below the water table...

[martc]

COBRA = Cabinet Office Briefing Room A for those that did not know.

 

Breath a sigh of relief that they are not meeting in the Cabinet Office Chamber (for) Unprecedented Precipitation.

[oldcars]

COBRA = Cabinet Office Briefing Room A for those that did not know.

Used to love Cobra, now its brewed under licence by inbev its shit.

[inconsistant]

'Green Taxes' have been changing peoples behaviour for the benefit of the environment since 1996.

 

Fixed.

[forddeliveryboy]

I reckon the problem is down to the people in charge. Cameron said he was having a meeting with Cobra at some point, but they're the bad guys from the old G.I. Joe cartoon, how are they even qualified to sort a major flooding problem? It's ridiculous man.

 

As well as lots of rain. York has always flooded, well before global warming and out of town shopping experiences. Which obviously don't help, but the main reason is the catchment area's size and shape. In 1263, it was noted, "Flood water rampages down North Street as far as the junction of Bridge Street and Ouse Bridge". They started recording flood levels in 1625 I think, which rivalled 2000 for OMGFLUD.

[Bren]

Used to love Cobra, now its brewed under licence by inbev its shit.

I like it as well - especially the chase at the end.

[chaseracer]

...especially the chase at the end.

 

For the bog...?

[Des]

I thought Cobra was a highly overrated car alarm from the eighties, this infers the answer to flooding is to wake up the whole village at 3AM?

I expect the solution to the flooding wots all climate changes fault will be measures to exacerbate and move elsewhere as per environment innit. I called bullshit on global warming a long time ago, watched all the stupid counter productive measures cajole their way in, and when many began calling bullshit it was rebranded, and along the way, amongst all the bollocks, I do now believe humans are ballsing up the planet, or at the very least have that potential, by their mass hysteria save the planet knobgobbery actions..

[meshking]

No, that was "sparkrite".

 

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[Felly Magic]

I see the main road over the Wharfe in Taddy has washed away now too. FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK