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[Dyslexic Viking]

Something interesting came up for sale here now.

1968 Same Atlanta 45

 

And here's the interesting part, air cooled V4 diesel! 

 

[Blake's Den]

My latest acquisition.....a Ford 300 pre-force. Complete with patina(!) and only three tyres. It does have a separate front end loader that I'll be fitting.

 

[Dyslexic Viking]

51 minutes ago, Blake's Den said:

My latest acquisition.....a Ford 300 pre-force. Complete with patina(!) and only three tyres. It does have a separate front end loader that I'll be fitting.

 

Hope you don't take this the wrong way and I'm not saying this to criticize or talk shit. 

Do you know what you are doing? Because this has the potential to be a money pit. Ford tractors also had problems with porous engine blocks, don't remember if the 3000 was affected by this but many Ford tractors had this problem. And hydraulics etc can have problems. Fixing something like this can quickly cost more than what a working tractor costs and give you a lot of problems. They are often parked for a reason.

We ourselves have been burned on an MF 35 that dad got cheap when the engine didn't start, it turned out that the engine was stuck and could not be loosend and a petrol 35 is not worth spending money on so was scrapped. A Ford Dexta with something of the same history, only the hydraulic pump turned out to be broken and it was not possible to find a new one, so it was also scrapped. 

We learned a lot from this and I would hate to see others make similar mistakes.

[Blake's Den]

22 minutes ago, Dyslexic Viking said:

Hope you don't take this the wrong way and I'm not saying this to criticize or talk shit. 

Do you know what you are doing? Because this has the potential to be a money pit. Ford tractors also had problems with porous engine blocks, don't remember if the 3000 was affected by this but many Ford tractors had this problem. And hydraulics etc can have problems. Fixing something like this can quickly cost more than what a working tractor costs and give you a lot of problems. They are often parked for a reason.

We ourselves have been burned on an MF 35 that dad got cheap when the engine didn't start, it turned out that the engine was stuck and could not be loosend and a petrol 35 is not worth spending money on so was scrapped. A Ford Dexta with something of the same history, only the hydraulic pump turned out to be broken and it was not possible to find a new one, so it was also scrapped. 

We learned a lot from this and I would hate to see others make similar mistakes.

Valid points!

I'm happy with it. It has come from my father in law who has owned it for about 40 years so I know the history. The only reason that it was parked up was because it wasn't being used anymore.  It was previously used for running a pto pressure washer.

I agree that these can be money pits and can also be very dangerous in the wrong hands.   Despite mini's being my thing I've actually had a bit of tractor experience, last week I was driving a Case 885xl and a few weeks ago I was in a Zetor 7245.

[Dyslexic Viking]

21 minutes ago, Blake's Den said:

Valid points!

I'm happy with it. It has come from my father in law who has owned it for about 40 years so I know the history. The only reason that it was parked up was because it wasn't being used anymore.  It was previously used for running a pto pressure washer.

I agree that these can be money pits and can also be very dangerous in the wrong hands.   Despite mini's being my thing I've actually had a bit of tractor experience, last week I was driving a Case 885xl and a few weeks ago I was in a Zetor 7245.

This is good to hear and will follow this, it is always interesting with tractors.

[somewhatfoolish]

The boatyard I worked in had a 4000 with a front loader, remarkably unproblematic considering it got dunked in salt water more or less daily for 20 years. Quite exciting getting it up to maximum speed in 4th while towing the bin trailer.

[Dyslexic Viking]

T150K tractor that has been converted to mine clearance with remote control. 

 

[junkyarddog]

North Norfolk Tractor shite,still working hard for a living. 

Cromer beach crab fishermen.

 

[Dyslexic Viking]

Again something very interesting has come up for sale here.

1959 Belarus I've never seen one and they must be rare now. It's cheap and I want it but there's nothing I can use it for.

[Saabnut]

29 minutes ago, Dyslexic Viking said:

Again something very interesting has come up for sale here.

1959 Belarus I've never seen one and they must be rare now. It's cheap and I want it but there's nothing I can use it for.

Two out of three is a majority, it does not have to make sense. Get it bought!

[loserone]

40 minutes ago, Dyslexic Viking said:

1959 Belarus

That's pretty.  Could you use it to look at and occasionally drive around?

[Dyslexic Viking]

51 minutes ago, Saabnut said:

Two out of three is a majority, it does not have to make sense. Get it bought!

 

41 minutes ago, loserone said:

That's pretty.  Could you use it to look at and occasionally drive around?

I would like to own it, but the problem is that there is little I can use it for, and with shipping it will cost so much that I could rather buy a car that I can actually use.

It is also not practical to use for work due to its age and rarity (difficult with parts), but if I had a farm with a lot of space, it could have bean a fun toy.

[Dyslexic Viking]

Got 2 of the Zetors started today and both have not been started for over half a year.

Started with the 4712 one turn on the starter and it started and ran even better than what I remembered.

 

It has a diesel leak on injector on cyl 3 and a leak on the injector on cyl 2 which means that black goo has come out and now it puffs as you may hear bellow. I think on syl2 it's just a matter of taking out the injector and replacing to a new copper washer and it's sealed?  But despite these problems, this engine runs very well, this is probably the best of the 3 Zetors here and the plan is to get it fixed and put it to work.

Also got the other 2511 started and moved this is probably the worst tractor here in condition it is very abused and not in good shape. It runs very poorly and has a lot of problems, so it is a parts tractor.

There will be some tractor maintenance and some repairs here this year and since there has been interest in this here, I will post about this in my fleet thread as before when the time comes.

[andy18s]

[mat777]

1 hour ago, andy18s said:

 

Oooh now that I do like! A cheap way into a classic Porsche, too 😂

As alluded to above though, as a tractor noob I'd have endless potential to be killed or financially ruined by something like this....

Favourite classic tractor for me has to be a Field Marshall with the 2-stroke single cylinder diesel

*thumpthumpthumpthumpthumpthumpthumpthump*

 Not that I'd have any use for one, mind.....

 

[sutty2006]

[twosmoke300]

No smoke - no poke

[Dyslexic Viking]

I have gone through some Norwegian picture archives so here are some pictures from Norway in the past

MF tractor and Claas combine

John Deere tractor and a Danish Dronningborg combine. Note the rocks in the background, the field is probably quite recently created from forest.

German Fahr combine and MF35 tractor

Stone picking in a new field 1979

Seeding with Grey Fergie early 1950s

Grey Fergie spraying

Volvo BM 650 tractor

The legendary Volvo backwards loaders they were everywhere and are still common here

[155V6]

This time of year means it's the local carnival in Fleet where County Tractors used to be made.A new one this year was this replica of the Sea Horse which crossed the English Channel in 1963

[egg]

A nugget of family history, just after the 2nd world car in 46/47 my English grandad and French grandmother were in Lille, and I never knew this - they worked in a tractor factory that was just trying to get back on it's feet.

We've worked out it was this factory in Croix.

http://ben.thefreecat.org/france 1.html

McCormick-Deering Tractors were made there, although I have no details on what they worked on, and they have both left us now. I believe it was all ultimately US based investment from International Harvester, they seem to have had a number of French plants.

I do know my grandad worked alongside Canadians , Poles, Czechs, others from Holland Belgium & France not surprising just after the War people having been displaced. 

More sources here (can use translate if you want to read them)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usine_CNH_Industrial_de_Croix

https://www.lestracteursrouges.com/ih_en_france/2_la_cima_et_wallut.htm

That last website says

The French State's Modernization Plan encouraged the purchase of a tractor so that the French fleet, which in 1946 had only 60,000, would reach 200,000 units in a few years. The importation of tractors across the Atlantic, particularly within the framework of the Marshall Plan, will play an active part in this task. From 1946, nearly 3,000 IH tractors were imported from the United States.

Anyway, an interesting* little personal nugget.

Looks like it still exists under New Holland?

[somewhatfoolish]

New Holland is/was Ford's tractor and agricultural machine subsidiary.

[warch]

4 minutes ago, somewhatfoolish said:

New Holland is/was Ford's tractor and agricultural machine subsidiary.

Ford bought New Holland (then best known for combine harvesters) in the mid 80's, Both Ford tractors and New Holland were bought by FIAT in the early 90s, and the Ford and FIAT tractor brands were gradually phased out, as was the terracotta FIAT colour scheme. New Holland merged with Case at the end of the 90s to form Case New Holland who market tractors and other equipment under both brands.  

[egg]

I had the Britains New Holland hay baler when I woz a lad myself

[warch]

Any excuse to dig out my beloved Britains Bamford baler. 

[phil_lihp]

Small update on the abandoned, muck-encrusted International.

Here it is in its current location.  

 

I had a couple of hours spare at the end of a shift a few weeks back so had a tinker with it.  Apparently it's only been out of use about 6 years but no certainty on that.  I headed over with a few very basic tools and a spare battery I had knocking about in my garage and made a very small bit of progress and a lot of discoveries.

The old battery was chucked out, spare one chucked in and connections wedged on - unsurprisingly, the terminal bolts are seized but did make a decent connection.

Long story short - no dice.  I could put jumper cables from the battery to the starter and get it to spin fine but not engage despite much belting with a hammer (as per farm rules).  I assume the bendix is stuck and it'll have to come off for further poking.

Ignition is completely dead.  Turning the key does nothing.  Amazingly, the modern-ish LED floodlights which are hanging off their wires on the back (the panel they were attached to having rusted away) both work fine off the light switch on the dash panel but nothing else does.  Unsurprisingly, the wiring is a disaster.  There are missing (glass) fuses in the tiny panel behind the dashboard panel and the fuse box in general looks a bit manky with much green fuzz.  There are numerous broken/tied up wires, several bad repairs, damaged wires, corroded wires and general nastiness everywhere.  

The oil is dreadful.  It's over full but doesn't smell of diesel or look water-contaminated, however it's thick and lumpy so even if it does ever run, it can't be run for long on that.  It was parked up due to overheating caused by a suspected failed head gasket, was running but current engine condition unknown so between that and the open exhaust I'll not be hugely surprised if rainwater/coolant has ended up in the cylinders and seized the engine.  It likely hasn't seen much proper maintenance in a very long time even when it was in use.

The alternator is stuck but I don't know how badly - I couldn't get the engine cover bolts unseized to get the cover off for further investigation and to try to turn the engine over by hand.  

I have no idea what half the control levers do, and most of them are seized solid.  I've soaked everything I could get to with Plusgas.  There is a comical amount of play in the steering and apparently the brakes never worked, it must have been a bit of a handful to scrape with.

This will be a very slow burner if/when I do ever get time to work on it.  Next step plans are to go back with my wiring repair tools and try to sort the obvious issues, clean out the fuse box, get the engine covers off, try to turn the engine by hand (if that's even possible) and see if I can get the ignition to work.  After that, the starter needs to come off for assessment.

[Dyslexic Viking]

There hasn't been much writing about the tractors here this year. But the Zetor 4712 seems to be driving the machine going forward. Have fixed some things on it and had it fully serviced. And today it was tested on some logs that were left over from the winter's production. And it works very well, this is the best Zetor here in condition, so hopefully will be driving the machine for many years to come.

The test run and logs are placed on a table with the timber crane on the Fiat and fed into the machine and come out as firewood and will be packed in 40 and 60 liter bags for sale when dried. Production runs every year from late October/November to May. And puts in 200 to 300 hours on the tractor.

 

[captain_70s]

I went to Redcar for work last week because I'm a very* lucky** man.

There were a few old boat haulers along the seafront though 

[Asimo]

I'd never heard of these until I watched this video an hour ago.

Then, bored with YouTubing, I had a flick through marketplace, and just a few miles away is this!

Diesel rather than lpg but still an unusual find for Herefordshire.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2226551140864275

 

 

[Dyslexic Viking]

Something special that you don't see every day has come up for sale in Norway.

1951 Fordson Major E27N-P6 with 6 syl Perkins diesel with high speed gearing and was as far as I can see yellow so industrial tractor. And it worked in the mines in Røros, Norway.

https://www.finn.no/b2b/agriculturetractor/ad.html?finnkode=341590350

[puddlethumper]

1 hour ago, Dyslexic Viking said:

Something special that you don't see every day has come up for sale in Norway.

1951 Fordson Major E27N-P6 with 6 syl Perkins diesel with high speed gearing and was as far as I can see yellow so industrial tractor. And it worked in the mines in Røros, Norway.

https://www.finn.no/b2b/agriculturetractor/ad.html?finnkode=341590350

That will go for ever. I drove a few of the later Fordson Majors and Super majors from the late 50's early 60's. Good reliable machines.