Brand new shite - wud u?

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

^^ Local taxi drivers love them and they have proven more reliable than Passats. Been in one with 194'000.

[sierraman]

Let someone else take the depreciation. Just bought the missus a 2011 bmw 120d msport convertible for just shy of 15k. Original bill of sale shows that some mug paid 33k for it.

Great.

[sierraman]

Local taxi drivers to me used Vectras, the 1.9cdti was spectacularly unreliable. They must have been cheap or something

[Cavcraft]

They certainly seem to be doing the miles and the SRi ones are lovely inside. I'm off to my local Vauxhall dealer after to do some window shopping, might need a crowbar to prise me away from this, though...

 

[garbaldy]

Let someone else take the depreciation. Just bought the missus a 2011 bmw 120d msport convertible for just shy of 15k. Original bill of sale shows that some mug paid 33k for it.

Calling someone you don't know a mug for losing 5k a year on a car which I might add allowed you to buy it at half that strikes me as DAF.

These people should be celebrated for saving us money because if everyone wanted 5k and under cars there would be fook all available for us to buy.

On a different note when I looked at 3 year old car and did the math re finance I would have been better of buying brand new due to the 0% finance deal they where offering on new, its not always black and white.

[stripped fred]

Someone who pays £33k for a new BMW is a mug. I don't think there's any argument with that. Also, suggesting he's on the wrong forum isn't very friendly is it. I thought anyone who's interested in old cars is welcome on here.

[garbaldy]

might need a crowbar to prise me away from this, though...

 

I was talking to someone who's just bought a new corsa at £130 odd a month and I have to say you couldn't hire a car for that.

[garbaldy]

Someone who pays £33k for a new BMW is a mug.

 

 

thought anyone who's interested in old cars is welcome on here.

We shall have to agree to disagree on that opinion then.

 

It's not actually an old car though is it?

[red5]

The diesel variant does not have a good reputation for reliability so petrol way to go

Our 160hp estate has done over 115k - one split turbo hose and a dip beam bulb.

 

Helps that it's not been driven by a mouthbreather with the mechanical sympathy of, well, a mouthbreather (also applies to other engines/transmissions/cars ofc)

 

The 2.0 is a far better engine that the 1.9. Reputation is poor it seems - that suits me, I'll buy another before people cotton on

[NorfolkNWeigh]

Just back from holiday in Florida and every ad. on the radio is for new cars ,usually Neesarn or Hun Die, whatever they are, offering "Nothing down and 0% interest with warranty forever" .

They don't mention the term of the loan or any specifics except in a comedy speeded up disclaimer at the end.

Oh, and there's no credit checks either if you have a job you can get finance, apparently.

Seems they're giving them away,some Nissan dealers are literally doing a buy one, get one free offer, there are also dealers ' guaranteeing ' to put you in a brand new car and reduce your car payments .

Mostly bollocks,I'd imagine,but we can't be far behind in making it so that anyone who doesn't buy a new car is even more weird than we already are.

 

Don't worry Rev. , you can have an Insignia too,just badged as a Buick Regal.

[cort16]

Someone at my work bought a 9 month old audi a8 lwb 4.0 petrol with 3000 miles on it for 32k. The list price 9 months ago ? 78 grand!

Now that's a paddlin'. 46 grand down the toilet in 9 months on a flippin car . Madness .

[alf892]

If I was getting new I would want something I liked........and not just because it was new and cheap.

 

I suppose if you want something to drive into the ground then a Dacia might do the job.......but I still think that Dacia/Kia/fiat/others are looking at some hefty depreciation and it is cheaper to get something more expensive.

 

This is why companies can put reps in 320 and A4.........it has fa to do with volumes discounts. It is just maths.

[Timewaster]

I love the justifications people use for buying new cars. (some of them in this thread!)

 

Like the time m.i.l spent about 12k on a Hyundai because "it's only £30 a year to tax" and her old car was £160.

 

If you want a new car then fine, buy it. but please don't Bullshit me that is a great financial investment.

[cort16]

As much as we might not want to admit it all our cars were new at one point. It's like having to come to terms with the fact your parents had to have sex for you to be born. You might bit like it but it's an inescapable fact.

 

So aye, go out and buy a brand new car if you want to (I just did). It's your money, your life but don't be surprised if some folk on this site aren't interested in talking about it.

[Stanky]

Don't worry Rev. , you can have an Insignia too,just badged as a Buick Regal.

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Ooh, I quite like what they have done with the front end there - I wonder if you can get those front bumpers and grilles sent over here and re-do your own insignia? I bet it wouldn't be cheap though. Are the lights the same and it is just the bumper that is different, or is the whole front end including lights and front wings different?

 

I don't own an Insignia (though I did once crash into the back of one) so it is fairly academic, just wanted to contribute.

 

The wheels look crap though.

[eddyramrod]

Didn't we have someone here who converted his Cadillac Catera into a Vauxhall Omega by buying the bumpers, badges etc?  Surely he'd be delighted to advise on reversing the process with a Regal/Insignifica!

[JohnK]

I would never buy new. Our 520d is 3 years old and at 1/3 of the 'new' price, it's just not worth it in my opinion.

 

I'm not really into 'new' cars and prefer chod, but my sister has just bought a 2011 Audi A1 S-Line. She didn't think about a part-ex with her Honda Civic.

 

2005, 05 Civic 1.7 CTDi, 93k miles, has had a clutch with DMF replacement and full brake overhaul in last 12 months.

 

She bought at a year old for nearly 11k.

 

Mine for £1300. It's practically a new car and makes even our 'cheap' BMW look stupidly expensive.

[Cavcraft]

The bt about new car finance Vs second hand car finance is dead on, as my son found out. Anyhow, just had a fairly interesting chat with the salesman who started by undervaluing my Fiesta, it would only go to auction because of the age, etc. He then pointed out the scratches and started saying how much they'd cost to repair, so I felt obliged to say that it wouldn't matter as he was taking it to auction anyhow. 

I got a touch there as he spluttered and mumbled a bit, then we had the dance over the values, he was £400-£500 short (I didn't give him a figure) and he said WBAC etc were a waste of time, so I said for £400 more I was prepared to chance it. I then mentioned car auctions and he said I wouldn't get X amount for it. he'd worked for BCA or something, I then scored my second direct hit by mentioning I'd worked at the nearest car auctions too. 

 

Anyhow, a bit of battling saw me get about as close as I'd expect on the money, so I'm going home to have a think. It probably won't happen, but you never know.

[KruJoe]

Jeez, what kind of mug spends £14,999 on a second-hand BMW 1 series diesel?

[Jikovron]

I definatley would if I could both find something less strangulated by total control electronic management and buy in cash and own it free of the slavery that finance effectively means,, I much prefer to pay for the future than that past that is done and gone as it means I'm less reliant on having a job past that point!

 

I love driving the old shit that I drive and its easy to feel good about it only costing £150 etc but I'm realistic in that they aren't reliable no matter what spin I put on it and converting my hours to garage labour costs would add up to £1000s on top of parts

 

for me the 2 options are fairly balanced and there is no clear winner if keeping either long term ,,15k on a car that you would keep for 15 years would loose approx 800 per year but you pay the price to have a car that should be perfect initialy with a known history,,versus a much cheaper car of unknown providence that at best needs a lot of consumables replaced sequentially

 

it also seems to be balanced up the price scale,,,a 100k Porsche new,,or a 100k classic as either way the new one will loose value to a point,,and the old one still could require a lot of work and vastly expensive parts etc

 

the latter option is my choice as I don't have 15k,,and also I view the work needed as a learning experience

 

short term car ownership imo is a different ball game imo as obviously its a loosing streak if swaping from new to new ever couple o month in comparison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[red5]

Jeez, why would any kind of mug spend £14,999 on a second-hand BMW 1 series diesel?

 

 

 

Edit: fairly sure this, along with some others was taken out of context, or it wasn't clear enough that it isn't a dig at the op. Sorry, etc. Or not, if you got it. Glad to have this opportunity to muddy/clear the waters/air.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Asimo]

Nothing new appeals at all except maybe a Tesla if I was loaded.

Cars just are not as good as they once were, they really aren't.

[Skizzer]

Brilliant thread, not.

 

 

Look, I bought a new BMW for work because I wanted to and I could.  If that makes you hate me, that's your problem not mine.  I don't talk about it on here (or anywhere else) because nobody is interested, including me. 

 

But now people have decided I'm not welcome on here, along with anyone else who has a modern car in the family?  That's fucking great, thanks.

[PiperCub]

In theory if you are going to keep it for life (whatever 'life' equates to in reality but say 12-15yrs/170-200K miles), look after it and run it properly until it's ready to drop - ie: run it into the ground until it's worth only bridge value, then it might make sense if you are doing most of your own repairs/maint.

 

Personally, while I could do this, I wouldn't as I can't commit that long and the thought of the depreciation would grate on me beyond all reason. Appreciate it works for some people and we need people to buy new cars else what would we do? But it's not for me.

[Hendry]

They certainly seem to be doing the miles and the SRi ones are lovely inside. I'm off to my local Vauxhall dealer after to do some window shopping, might need a crowbar to prise me away from this, though...

 

What engine, age, mileage and price is that.

 

A brand new Corsa E Sting 1.4 Ecoflex can be had for £8995 - £30 a year tax, 50+ mpg, 16" alloys, Bluetooth, USB, cruise control, and all the usual jazz, plus next to no miles, 3 year warranty, if you must have a new car, hard to see past that, considering its a newly released model.

[Junkman]

To be honest all modern mass produced european cars are about as interesting as watching paint dry,

Have you actually ever painted anything?

I have and from personal experience, I can assure you, that watching paint dry is right up among the most exciting things there are to do on this planet,

the end results can be very interesting indeed, it would require some fundamental research to explain what the bloody hell just happned and the cost

to rectify it is usually life changing. Watching paint dry is truly living on the edge!

 

[Ghosty]

Come to think of it, after the discount from PX, I'm pretty sure the mother's Bini cost about 50% of what it would have cost new...

And that's on a car that holds value...

[chaseracer]

Have you actually ever painted anything?

I have and from personal experience, I can assure you, that watching paint dry is right up among the most exciting things there are to do on this planet,

the end results can be very interesting indeed, it would require some fundamental research to explain what the bloody hell just happned and the cost

to rectify it is usually life changing. Watching paint dry is truly living on the edge!

 

 

Clearly the words of a man who has never contemplated the metaphysical wonder of the mechanical stresses inherent in a warping plank.

[chaseracer]

But now people have decided I'm not welcome on here...

 

Er, no.  That would be incorrect.  You have a Renault 16 AND a Lancia Dedra, FFS!

 

[Cavcraft]

Brilliant thread, not.

 

 

Look, I bought a new BMW for work because I wanted to and I could.  If that makes you hate me, that's your problem not mine.  I don't talk about it on here (or anywhere else) because nobody is interested, including me. 

 

But now people have decided I'm not welcome on here, along with anyone else who has a modern car in the family?  That's fucking great, thanks.

 

 

You don't have to excuse yourself, fella. If anyone doesn't like your choice of car it's their problem, not yours. Please don't feel 'unwelcome' on here, you're far from that.