Tell me about... Peugeot estates

[Coprolalia]

Alright team.

 

After an aborted foray into buying a diesel Felicia (a receipt is too much to ask for apparently), I'm looking at buying a diesel Peugeot estate. Needs to be modern enough to have airbags and ABS, otherwise her indoors won't get in it. Also needs to be derv for OMGMPG and the mileage I do.

 

Potentials:

206 estate HDi

306 estate D-turbo or HDi

406 estate

 

There's a nice 306 HDi locally which is cheap, 100k or so mileage, good service history and full test.

 

Question:

Common issues with 206s and 306s?

Issues with the HDi engine? I'm aware it's more refined than the old D-turbo, and so won't munch veg. Mores the pity. Had experience tuning a mate's D-turbo for MOAR BOOST, but assume nil can be done with the HDi.

Electrical gremlins?

 

I appeal to the Autoshite hive mind for your learned collective knowledge. Ta.

[bigfella2]

Avoid 1.4 and 1.6 hdi unless you want a world of pain. All 2.0 90bhp have SMF, aledgedly early 406 110 were also SMF too. 306 will have torsion bar rear end, 406 is convention coil spring, can't remember if 206 estate run torsion bar rear end like rest. Remaps are very cheap and easy providing you have Bosch management, buy a lead and download file and flash the ECU if your brave enough. Generally the 2.0 8v hdi is a reliable engine capable of covering huge mileages. But everyone will tell you xud engine is better.

[dave21478]

306 HDi is a lovely steer IMO. I had an estate and it pulled well, was comfortable, as fast as you want a mid sized estate to go and utterly reliable.

The earlier Dturbo lump is great too, purely for its rugged simplicity - no electronics, just a basic mechanical pump and a proven engine design.

 

Look for wonky rear axles on 206 and 306....excessive camber is a dead give-away as is groaning or no movement at all. Sadly, by the time its noticeable its usually too late and the damage is done. Rebuild kits are available if you catch it early enough or a recon axle isnt too dear.

 

Apparently, the 2.1 is the lump to have in a 406. I know nowt about them, but when my brother in law was looking for a car he found plenty of info saying its a decent, reliable motor.

 

Dont discount the pug 405 either - late models had airbags and abs too. Much harder to find though sadly, as IMO they are much better than the 406.

[oldcars]

Some like to consume a turbo for breakfast. lunch and dinner. Might be the 1.6hdi but don't quote me on that.

[jonny69]

Don't decide to go newer and get a 207 SW. It'll drive you close to suicide.

[Coprolalia]

Mother-in-law had a 207 SW for transporting horsey stuff. Galactic mileage when she sold it, but external and internal electrics were rodgered.

 

I am expecting the electrics to work to a Gallic timetable and wake up or work only when the sun shines.

[Rusty_Rocket]

As said, rear suspension failure is the biggest 'gotcha' on 90s/2000s Pugs. Otherwise, I'd stick my neck on the line and say they're good cars.

The hdi engines may not be as legendary as the old XUD but apart from the low-pressure in tank pump packing up, they're perfectly reliable. In particular, the 2.0 90hp lump- it's very good. They're not prone to head gasket failure like the XU either.

As above, avoid 1600cc dv6 engines but the 1.4 is fine and very economical.

 

Mother had an '02 206 HDi from new, just replaced it last month. Total problems in 13yrs- bottom pulley got noisy and the indicator stalk packed up. That was it!!!

[crapcarcollector]

Don't.

[Lacquer Peel]

I like 306 estates, but none of the 1.9TD ones are veg friendly, they have Lucas pumps by then.

[Cavcraft]

The older the better, if you're not arsed about speed/performance then the only answer is a 1.9 n/a with a Bosch pump.

 

 

 

*Unless you get a 206 1.4HDi as they are nothing short of phenomenal on fuel, also I think one Panhard65 on here is selling one.  

[Talbotman]

Noubt wrong with a 2.0 hdi 306 estate.The 2.0 90 hdi engine is as strong as an ox if serviced properly, they don't rot, their pre multiplex wired so they don't suffer the electrical mysteries of later 307s and 206s...and and they feature the rear suspension of the 405 estate which is stronger than the regular 306 rear beam. Their getting on a bit now, but their cheap to run,parts are plentiful,and their a lot tougher than a lot of frog haters would ever leave you to believe.

[Uncle Jimmy]

Rekindle your love for an elderly Skoda, Favorite/Felicia are Ace* Only Pugs I'd touch are pre- Hdi/galloping mad electronics circa 1998. If only 404/504 estates had survived better. Otherwise it's an angular smorgasbord for you....

[Uncle Jimmy]

Noubt wrong with a 2.0 hdi 306 estate.The 2.0 90 hdi engine is as strong as an ox if serviced properly, they don't rot, their pre multiplex wired so they don't suffer the electrical mysteries of later 307s and 206s...and and they feature the rear suspension of the 405 estate which is stronger than the regular 306 rear beam. Their getting on a bit now, but their cheap to run,parts are plentiful,and their a lot tougher than a lot of frog haters would ever leave you to believe.

A lot to like about em I agree. I had a 2.0Hdi 1999, a strong engine and suprisingly good handling thanks to the passive rear wheel doodah, good rust protection too. Horrible uncomfortable driving seat and mine went electrically Bruno so I'd still avoid.

[bub2006]

Speaking from experience, run Away if there is any sort of camber. I've just changed my back axle and arms. Took nigh on 7 hours. Complete axle for xsara was 200 quid. Literally bolt on bolt off job but seized bolts and Brackets moving from alignment when you ain't looking just for fun is not a good way to spend 7 hours on your back.

[Vince70]

If you want a Peugeot estate only a cheap 305 will do preferably in Gold

http://autoshite.com/topic/20207-peugeot-305-srd/

[scdan4]

had a 1.9 405 estate.

 

As an estate, it was too small (I like to move big stuff) but in every other way it was superb. Had 220K on it when I sold it. No issues apart from a bit of lacquer peel.

[skattrd]

If you're not too fussed about speed then I'd go with Shitpeas 305, it's certainly what I'd have over one of the more modern ones, plus it's a classic, cheap insurance and no computery stuff to confuse you.

[Sealtainn]

I had an S-reg 406 saloon 1.9 TD when it was 18 months old - hateful, hateful car !!!

Slow, noisy and frequently wouldn't start when the engine was warm.

Only kept it 6 months before selling it and buying my mates D-reg Capri

[Junkman]

If you want a Peugeot Estate, buy a 405.

Everything else is dismal shit, unless it's a 203.

If wifey won't subscribe to anything without such death traps as ABS and airbag, tell her to fucking walk.

[sierraman]

Just write SRS on the wheel in pen. Then simulate ABS by cadence braking. Why is she laying the law down about ABS?

[r.welfare]

Late 405s can be had with both airbag and ABS. Job jobbed.

[NorfolkNWeigh]

Whilst reading the wholly predictable responses from the Autoludditeshite massive regarding the safety features, I did wonder if MrsDrJ is also in the same line of work and has seen first hand the benefits of Airbags etc ?

Another vote for a late 405, ABS,SRS, often Aircon but still handles like a proper 80's Pug ie FUN!

[carlo]

If you want a Peugeot Estate, buy a 405.

Everything else is dismal shit, unless it's a 203.

If wifey won't subscribe to anything without such death traps as ABS and airbag, tell her to fucking walk.

 

He means that in a caring way

[Coprolalia]

Gestalt knowledge appreciated.

 

Panhard65's 206 is getting waved under her nose.

I'll also broach late model 405s.

 

For all asking similar questions; were it up to me it would have been Shitpeas 305 as soon as he put it for sale. The idea of driving it all the way back to Devon would have made it even more hilarious. However, it's not just my choice.

We're in the middle of rebuilding our house and need something that we can both drive and that I can use for my massive commuting mileage (20k a year). It's not ABS and airbags per se, but that the car comes from an era when they were ubiquitous and people were also thinking about NCAP and passenger cells. I'm an A&E doc, and have seen the difference safety features make, so while I don't mind risking my own neck driving shoddy pieces of tin with far too much horsepower per ton, I wouldn't endanger someone else. She is a mechanical engineer, and as part of her training did crash testing, shear factors etc etc. She wants some consideration for safety. She's no chod-botherer, but she is sensible and can see the logic of a late 90s low mileage diesel. She has a financial say so it has to appeal to her too.

Once combined daily is achieved, I have full permission to gather whatever rusting tin I want.

 

Off to go any look at a W-reg povvo spec 306 Hdi. Could have potential.

[Junkman]

Nothing is more pathetic than peoople scared about their shitty little lives...

 

This was survived unscathed:

 

 

 

[The Moog]

I have got P reg 405 with stacks of history, SRS but no abs. It has done 230K even though it had been looked after it has got to the stage of needs ££ chucked at it. Nothing major more lots of little jobs. 

 

MPG isnt that great 40 ish on a run and about 35 ish round town.  Once sorted an excellent and really capable car.  I loved my previous one that got to 240K (before rust dissolved it) this one not so much. 

 

If you want mine for just over scrap you can have it and then spend a few hundred quid to sort it  

 

Personally didnt get on with the 306, although Xsara much more so. 

[HH-R]

It's all very well saying safety's unimportant until some dozy bellend screws the rest of your life up because they're on the phone or whatever, that said I think we've gone too far and safety is worse now due to lack of visibility. I'll stick with side impact beams, ABS (it's far easier just to mash the brake down than have to think about cadence braking when the need arises, and I've had to do emergency stops in cars with and without) and some form of not getting a steering wheel in the face/dashboard in the abdomen. Some guy in a van pulled out right in front of me slowly on a roundabout the other day, with his left hand completely covering the right side of his face because he was on the phone. These are the sort of arseholes we have to share the roads with.

 

My back is knackered from a lass driving into the back of us 5 years ago, anything I do aggravates it and I'm in constant pain. I bet I end up having to have surgery before I'm 40.

 

I wouldn't say I'm that precious about my life. If I end up in a big crash then I hope it's quick and fatal, I'd be more concerned about being paralysed or something.

[Coprolalia]

Nothing is more pathetic than peoople scared about their shitty little lives...

 

This was survived unscathed:

 

 

As an A&E doc who fixes people who have been in car crashes daily, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

 

Cheers for the offer Moog, it will be put into the hat of consideration.

[Timewaster]

had a 1.9 405 estate.

 

As an estate, it was too small (I like to move big stuff)

But 405s are huge inside with the seats down.

Apart from Volvos or maybe a Cx or Xm I'm struggling to think of a bigger estate car.

 

You want a Galaxy or a Transit you do.

[PiperCub]

You'll have to be lucky to get a decent unknackered/mega-miler 405 estate these days, most have become trademan's 'vans' - certainly round my way. Shame as they are bloody good cars, I used them as company cars when they were new in the 90's and it was the first diesel car I ever actually liked!!

 

The 406 is a good car too, I have a chod 406 1.9TD saloon and it's been fine (for the £350 I paid last year). I also had an estate for nearly four years/40Kmiles with the 2.1TD engine and it survived much overloading and abuse plus a house move. It's not quite as good a load carrier as the 405 'cos the shape of the back is less boxy but it's still better than most.

The smaller engine is fine but the bigger one is much nicer IMO and mine was totally reliable needing only a set of glowplugs in addition to regular servicing (by me). I've read that the 2.1TD has issues, maybe, but not in my experience.