Project I can haz Umm - it's a little broken

[skattrd]

  On 08/03/2015 at 11:23, messerschmitt owner said:

looks good - and the blue one?

 

You have pm Campbell.

[messerschmitt owner]

umm, umm, umm!

replied - many thanks for the heads up!

[500tops]

  On 08/03/2015 at 10:55, skattrd said:

Have some more pictures

 

Complicated dash, the temp gauge never moved yesterday.

 

IMG_20150308_091200.jpg

 

Very similar to a C15

 

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Wow!!! Its seems the UMM manufacturing concern was basically a sheet metal facricators with a few mechanics bolting stuff onto the shell.

[NorfolkNWeigh]

That's a lovely thing to behold.

To join in the mass seat debate, I reckon the passenger seat is the original and the drivers seat looks like high spec XJ40 , has it got a walnut picnic table in the back of it? If so Daimler not Jag.

[anonymous user]

Please let it have a picnic table, just for the pointlessness.

 

Congratulations on your purchase, I have never seen one of these on the road, but used to see a red one rotting on a drive-way in Bridgend for many years.

[brownnova]

This is what I love about this site of ours...

 

The fact that there are other people out there who like weird and wonderful car like the UMM!!

 

I've wanted one since there was a white one that used to be parked by the theatre in Stratford where I grew up. I used to go that way into town as teenager (even though it was a longer route into town) just to see if it was there!! So glad there are still some UMMs out there.

[panhard65]

I don't think the seat will be Bentley as they are pretty much the same as the Rolls and will be electric (my '68 Shadow had electric as well). The seat base will lift out if it is Bentley, they look very similar though. I did have this on my watch list but it sold before I had drunk enough to enquire about it. Good luck with it driving that far with no real issues is a good sign.

[skattrd]

The drivers seat base does lift out, or it came out accidentally earlier whilst I was looking under it and looks like there's space for electrics in there.

 

There was probably only 30 mins between me seeing this on ebay and hitting BIN. I don't think these come up for sale too often in road legal condition, so thought it best to act quickly, plus my brother (barmatt) and mate (Nathanael) were egging me on.

[scruff]

Love it!! 

 

Here's just two of the LOADS I saw on the Algarve:

 

 

 

 

[skattrd]

Can you go back and nick that canvas roof for me please Scruff

[messerschmitt owner]

Chris

have you asked Graham, who runs the club, if he has one - strikes me that he must have lots of spares (as well as fourteen vehicles).

 

Must be fun at his house as he decides what to drive ...

 

umm, umm, umm, umm, umm, umm, umm, umm, umm, umm, umm umm, umm, this umm today!

[Jim Bell]

 

 

You sir, are very much the man I would like to be.  That is Umm amazing.  Much envy.

[HMC]

Cant offer any help pinning down where those seats started out life, but the PSA parts bin instrument cluster was also found in some later pug 504s- My old one (also indenor engined- XD2) had it

 

 

This is the only pic i can find showing it!

[oldcars]

Like this a lot, very smart indeed.

 

Driving with no interior lights is interesting, same happended on my reliant a while back, turned out to be the headlight switch contacts needed cleaned up.

[RMAC190e]

The Drivers seat really does look like an 80s / 90s Jag XJ6 IIRC it was the Sovereign that had the piping,

 

 

 

Other than that that is a fantastic looking thing, and in all honesty I have never seen one before! Wonderful!

 

[cort1977]

I was moping at work as it is a plss wet Monday morning and I have some very boring stuff to do that I am avoiding when this thread supplies the perfect antidote.

 

Absolutely excellent, this has now replaced a Niva in my list of 'hypothetical cars to annoy the Land Rover types and neighbours'.

[messerschmitt owner]

there are Umms in the States and in Canada - why dream! They'll be cheaper than a Defender 90 or 100 NAS

[Junkman]

A bit of meaningless UMM trivia.
 
It all started in France, with a gent named Bernard Cournil, who had a Hotchkiss agency. Hotchkiss built Jeeps under licence back then.
Monsieur Cournil improved the Hotchkiss Jeeps he sold, to the extent that he installed completely different drivetrains, including gearboxes of his own manufacture,
and subsequently set up his own licencing deal with Jeep and started to produce them, rather than modify Hotchkiss variants.
In the late 50s, he designed his own offroad vehicle and started to produce it from ca. 1960 as the Cournil Entrepreneur. This vehicle was built with various upgrades
until about the mid 80s, when he merged his company with Panhard (which, contrary to common belief, still exists, but hasn't built a civilian vehicle since 1965).

 

In 1977 UMM (União Metalo-Mecânica) started to produce the Cournil Entrepreneur under licence and called it the UMM Cournil. They developed successors in form

of the Alter and Alter II, which were available for the civilian market until 1994, and the military and public services markets until 1996.

A successor was announced for 2000, but never released. UMM doesn't build any vehicles at the moment and has outsourced the spare parts business to a company

called Europeças S.A.

[Magnificent Rustbucket]

What an incredibly, marvellously and wonderfully strange car!! I do remember seeing the odd one from holidays abroad as a kid.

 

 

The driver's seat is 100% definitely from a Jaguar XJ40.

 

It looks to be manually adjusted. If so, it is from an XJ6 rather than a Sovereign - which had electric seats as standard. If there is no adjustment knob on the seat backrest, then they were electric and the motors for the beckrest will be in the backrest still. The seat runner tracks and motors are very cheap and don't go wrong - so you could fit electric seats for not a lot and surprise everyone who travels in it with unabashed luxury!!

 

The colour is magnolia, piped Isis blue. Contrast piping was extra cost on all Jags and Daimlers at that time.

 

I notice quite a few Peugeot bits in there - some of the dash switches are the same ads the ones used in the 505.

 

What a marvellous thing!

[Timewaster]

  On 09/03/2015 at 14:40, cort1977 said:

I was moping at work as it is a plss wet Monday morning.

I had this vision of you doing the floor with some Flash and a veilida.

[forddeliveryboy]

Nice combo, those seats and the pov-spec clocks! Did it do ok on fuel for the return from the SW?

 

Don't/didn't Panhard make the Froggy version of MB's G-wagen?

[mouseflakes]

  On 08/03/2015 at 10:55, skattrd said:

 

Renault 4 had that heater unit.

 

[Pete-M]

What is it actually like to drive?

[wuvvum]

  On 09/03/2015 at 23:12, forddeliveryboy said:

 

Don't/didn't Panhard make the Froggy version of MB's G-wagen?

Don't think so.  The French G-Wagen was made by Peugeot IIRC.  It's supposed to be being replaced with a bespoke APC from Panhard though.

[skattrd]

  On 09/03/2015 at 23:39, Pete-M said:

What is it actually like to drive?

It's not bad, decent poke, gets up to 70mph ok, but with the mud pluggers on its a bit squirmy at speed so I did most of the trip at 55mph with the trucks in the slow lane. Brakes are 7204% better than a series landy, it rattles less than a Landy and is not draughty inside either. Verdict, pretty good.

 

The Land Rover used for comparison is BIL 1974 series diesel, which is shit.

[skattrd]

Nice one on the heater spot mouseflakes, if it is knackered I can look for R4 bits to fix it.

 

Fdb, I've not filled it up yet, it's done around 225 miles on 3/4 tank. I'll refuel at the weekend and update fuelly for it.

[Lukas]

Ive seen these two in Portugal last holidays in 2014. Around Sintra if I recall right. 

 

 

 

I have to say, I like the look of the late, red one. The early one got only two wipers, so -> boring!

[skattrd]

Red with a tan roof does look quite fetching I think.

[Lukas]

A lot of money has gone into the red one, it was perfectly restored and modified. I liked it a lot.