A question for MOT testers

[twosmoke300]

Mot patch repairs must be continuously welded . Tack welding is no good.

[New POD]

Some years ago I bought a spitfire with wooden sills. and an MOT.

[philibusmo]

I have to agree with the above, while the MOT tester does seem like a bit of a nob, you really shouldn't be able to ping off a welded on patch with even the biggest and pointiest crow bar. Tack welding just isn't good enough in an even vaguely structural area, so I would suggest applying the patch again, seam welding it this time, then go back to the same MOT station for the free retest and leave with your pass sheet and never return.

 

On reading the above on the Simca, I had to find this thread to see what it was like. The first page is fairly dull with just various rubbish photos of Simcas that look to have been taken using a toaster but then on page two this welding extravaganza takes off:

http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/135621/84-talbot-simca-1100-pickup?page=2#.VArH_xZbiZQ

Take a look if you want to see what a clean and well penetrated weld should NOT look like. It's a shame as the car is a rare one, the guy seems to know his stuff and all his repair panels look quite well made but he would appear to be welding them on with an incontinent pigeon. I'm sure that when that is back on the road, when he hits his first pot hole there will be a loud 'ping' noise as every single one of his welds fail and all the patches fly off the car in a very comedic manner. It's when seeing threads like this on Retro Rides that I feel that the 'if you can't say anything positive then say nothing at all' can be pretty dangerous as this guy really, desperately needs some constructive criticism before one suspension mounts collapses.

[Rusty_Rocket]

Good God- that Simca 'Welding'....

 

 

I can imagine the thing hitting a bump and literally collapse into a pile of metal and sealer.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I don't think he's cleaning the paint and underseal off before welding the new metal in. Even the worlds most incompetent mig operator would get a decent weld sometimes just by chance, but he doesn't seem to get a single one. Also there's not a single pic of the steel cleaned up.

[fordperv]

I always beat my welds with a bfo hammer so I know they are strong, i once made a complaint about a tester for his inspection technique, i heard him say to one of the mechanics "I fuckin hate these old turds " he then inspected the sills on mrs fordperv's dad's mk3 fiesta with a pick hammer, came to me said the outers and inners needed welding, i went to see and he had punched holes in solid steel, it just happened I knew the gaffer who was a tester himself, so I popped upstairs and had a quiet chat, he came down looked at the fiesta and gave the tester a right dressing down, i never saw the tester again after that so presumably he got his cards handed to him.

[michael1703]

Good God- that Simca 'Welding'....

 

 

I can imagine the thing hitting a bump and literally collapse into a pile of metal and sealer.

Porous, he's probably using pub gas or something being a cheapskate

[Bren]

The trouble with stuff like this, you know at some point in future the powers that be will try and stop owners / enthusiasts from doing their own welding unless they have some kind of qualification.

[michael1703]

What's the link to the simca thread?

 

Does he mention what sheet steel he is using?

 

Could be galv or old filing cabinet instead of decent steel too

[AlabamaShrimp]

Wtf is he doing to that simca? I can't weld but have assisted* hundreds of times and we would of been embarrassed to call that welding even on a bodge job. What's the point in having something so rare but totally fucking it up

[jakebullet]

Is the simica one using galvanised steel? More than a bit poo.

[Minimad5]

If you need a hand welding Dave, drop me a txt.

Would be worth doing it nice and solid, to show the soft cunt that you're not trying to blag him.

 

Would also have a quick word with Ray, obviously nice and calmly !

Anyway, offer is available .

[sporty-shite]

Dave, AFAIK welded repairs have to be seam welded, whoch is probably why hes had a go at yours. I've also heard the no underseal thing before, but only as testers preference and just to make sure the repairs are decent. I reckon Mark is right, though. Put some good seam welded patches on, use your free retest, then tell him to ram his testers hammer up his arse, because he is obviously a right cunt.

[mouseflakes]

The trouble with stuff like this, you know at some point in future the powers that be will try and stop owners / enthusiasts from doing their own welding unless they have some kind of qualification.

On a similar note (and apologies for drifting further off topic) - my missus told me there was a new limit being introduced to limit the power of vacuum cleaners. Is this true? No, it's not been initiated by the NHS trying to reduce strain on the nations A+E units (fnaaar) - apparently it's some EU green initiative. My first thought on hearing this was 'what will they do about DIY welders?'. I appreciate they don't run for long periods of time and would have bog-all effect on the overall power consumption across the EU, but you could imagine they might be quite a juicy target for the Powers That Be to limit their availability.

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

Yes, vacuum cleaners cannot be over 1600w as of Sept 1, and will lower again to 900w in 2017. 

 

As for other appliances: (their bold)

 

 

Whether the EU will regulate any other products has NOT decided yet, nor is there a draft or a formal proposal on the table.Before doing so, the EU always commissions a study to an independent consultant. The aim is to establish a list of products where huge energy savings could be achieved and discard others where this is not the case. In the past, products such as coffee machines were not regulated because savings would have been too low. In the same vein, the EU did not follow ALL the recommendation of the studies.

At present, one study is commissioned that should be finalized by January 2015. Whether  and what products on the recommended list will be regulated is a political decision taken by the EU Commission, the European Parliament and the Member States.

[fordperv]

The trouble with stuff like this, you know at some point in future the powers that be will try and stop owners / enthusiasts from doing their own welding unless they have some kind of qualification.

 

 

funnily enough someone at work was asking me if you have to have a qualification to weld cars, when i said no you can just go get a welder and fire away and that the standard for an m.o.t patch is very basic, she looked at me horrified and said "that means some moron can go get a welder not knowing what they are doing, isnt that a bit dangerous?" 

[mouseflakes]

Yes, vacuum cleaners cannot be over 1600w as of Sept 1, and will lower again to 900w in 2017. 

 

As for other appliances: (their bold)

 

Yo! Thanks CDC.

 

(Can't we just switch off the street lights and floodlights that seem to illuminate every city centre building over two stories and continue to enjoy the deep clean feeling that only 1600W or more can give you?)

[sierraman]

Any Structural type repairs like that need to be seam welded. He shouldn't be twatting the sills with a crow bar though

[Station]

Rewelded plate and passed* in a different MOT centre.

[AlabamaShrimp]

Awww I wanted to see pictures of the bent metal

[Station]

CBA alabamashrimp - I had to straighten the sill out, he'd bent it alright, I think he has a vendetta against me because I had a go at him for ripping the sill covers off my MR2.

[sheffcortinacentre]

fordperv tell her its similar to the dozzy twats that can be taught how to pass a simple driving test & then get behind the wheel of a Chelsea tractor & intimidate everyone else on the roads.

[e287yba]

Any Structural type repairs like that need to be seam welded. He shouldn't be twatting the sills with a crow bar though

 

He shouldn't be twatting anywhere with anything !

 

'Look then 'feel' was the rule (I was told ) when I last had an MoT on oe of my fleet in March - the toffee hammer "corrosion assessment tool" is a last resort (and the end of the road as far as testing for significant corrosion)...

[Parky]

Reminds me of this helpful priest in Father Ted who tested the structural integrity of Craggy Island House by smashing the bejesus out of it

 

"Shoddy workmanship Ted, they're a bunch of cowboys!"

[Inspector Morose]

The over zealous MoT tester is a bane of the testing industry all over and not just constrained to car testers. I was on the PSV mot course at VOSA when our instructor spied one of the testers at the station knocking the living fuck out of some wheel nuts on a coach. He raced over and gave the tester a right round of fucks in the middle of the busy test station and forced him to show the proper method of testing for loose nuts then asked why he didn't do it right before. Poor chap visibly shrunk about three feet before our eyes.

Got tested a good few times later on by that very examiner. He followed the rule book to the letter for me. Never a fail from him. Wonder why?

 

Just a side note. The chap who took our course at VOSA showed us a great animation of some kid doing an impression of his mates moped starting on his laptop. Four months later crazy frog exploded onto the scene...

[Station]

Ha!!! That guy seems like a proper maniac. I quite fancy puling him up for his thoroughly dire welding but criticism is banned over there so you have to tread carefully and find a way to say something is shite using only positive-sounding words, which is not impossible but requires a bit of thought.

 

Or adding any humour of any kind (for it be replied with a simple question mark or smiley).

Where is this Simca thread?

[Station]

Oof, I'm not a 'welding nazi', but it's a bit of a patchwork there:

 

http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/135621?page=5#.VBABU_ldV8E

[hauserplenty]

Superb! Just superb! /irony

[Pillock]

Three minutes ago, bollox makes some constructive criticism.

 

It'll have kicked off before the night's out....

[HH-R]

Reminds me of this helpful priest in Father Ted who tested the structural integrity of Craggy Island House by smashing the bejesus out of it

 

"Shoddy workmanship Ted, they're a bunch of cowboys!"

Lol! I love it further on in the episode when he's smashing a chair to bits with a sledgehammer and shouting "SHODDY, SHODDY, SHODDY!"