New Car Tax Rulez - Wotz happenin?

[Mr_Bo11ox]

it seems like a load of shite to me, i'm not worried about it. I bet something like 90% of all car sales now will involve at least a few days of a car being 'untaxed' one way or the other, if thats the case its too much admin to police it all so just sort out some tax in a reasonably timely fashion and I'm sure it will be perfectly OK. No doubt a small percentage of folk will get some bullshit threats off the DVLA but experience has shown that those can be ignored.

[sheffcortinacentre]

this should be good car gets sold you try to tax it but comp says " this vehicle is already taxed" you say no it isn't I've just bought it.

 

comp says" well till we're told its sold you can't tax it" so you think sod it i'll try on way to work at po in morning.

 

mean while comp gets up dated, you arise next morn look in street & your cars gone.

 

bum its been nicked you inform plod, several days later your told its been impounded for no tax & you owe tax , removal ,storage etc.

 

it will all be your fault.

 

what where we told about reducing red tape?

[explosive-cabbage]

this should be good car gets sold you try to tax it but comp says " this vehicle is already taxed" you say no it isn't I've just bought it.

 

comp says" well till we're told its sold you can't tax it" so you think sod it i'll try on way to work at po in morning.

 

mean while comp gets up dated, you arise next morn look in street & your cars gone.

 

bum its been nicked you inform plod, several days later your told its been impounded for no tax & you owe tax , removal ,storage etc.

 

it will all be your fault.

 

what where we told about reducing red tape?

 

You should come live in the Dales.

 

You can get away with things for months - last time I was driving the Samara around for 3 weeks using the free tax disk off the tractor before I got caught and got a slapped wrist from the cops (and they were only checking over my car because I had parked on double yellows overnight)

The most arkward bit was explaining to Father-Cabbage why I had nicked his tax....

 

I think it has been months since I last saw a Police car on patrol in Malhamdale/Wharfedale.

 

We are sort of self-policing up here. If somebody over-steps the line and pisses someone off (by speeding or fighting or generaly taking the piss out of the law) they get reported, and the Police keep an eye out for a few weeks, then it all dies down and gets back to normal. That said they are very quick to respond to serious crime like burglaries and genarally do a good job, though are under-staffed.

 

The fact we are self-policing is maybe why I get away with towing stupid weights behind the 205 for 50 or 100 miles at a time - who is to know I dont have a trailer licence?

[gtd2000]

For the new process, it would have made more sense if the "non-refunded" tax was "banked" for the new owner until the end of the month, as it won't be refunded to the original keeper.

 

Then, the tax for the new keeper could start at the beginning of the next calendar month...

 

In the real world, cars wouldn't be taxed by calendar month, they'd just be taxed from the day of purchase, until the day of release of ownership or SORN.

 

That's to say I can buy 1 month, 6 months or 12 months from the 3rd of September onwards.

 

Not really that difficult these days, with the likes of computers doing all the hard sums for the Gubbermint is it?

 

Then again, they probably paid 20 times the price of a decent system that's got the processing power of a Sinclair ZX81 and that's how it's all managed.

 

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I think the DVLA were trying to be clever using this new system, thinking they were going to be getting more duties paid. What will likely happen is people that buy a car privately, will more than likely take a chance on not taxing the vehicle, until the end of the month, especially now that there is no visual check with a tax disc in the window.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I think you're right GTD. I certainly will be taking that chance. As for 'banking' the tax from the previous owner, I think in practice that will have to happen even if that wasn't the intention of the new system. With the time it takes for people to post stuff and the DVLA to process it, its impossible (I think) to avoid a few days in 'no mans land' where the car belongs to you but you can't yet tax it 'in your name'.

[nigel bickle]

Can't move for ANPR cameras down south. You do have to look for them, they're tiny, unlike speed hobbies, but they are scattered every 2-3 miles around here. Driving untaxed will have a hijab on your doorstep in days I reckon.

 

Course, that's they're way of wasting a huge amount of money on an infrastructure that'll be rendered immediately useless when Gubberment move the tax into fuel in a year or two. I'd wager that's bound to happen now to stop those beastly foreigners driving on our roads but not paying our tax etc etc etc.

 

Natch, at that stage all these sneaky cameras could then revert to their real use, monitoring our movements etc. That'll stop us smuggling our kiddies out of hospital, eh! Or am I just paranoid?

[nigel bickle]

Hijab? Fucking spell check!

[Jim Bell]

Speed hobbies?

[nigel bickle]

Bloody I pad, re-writing everything wot I writed.

 

Sorree

[richardmorris]

Can't find it on-line anymore, but read about them running out of discs over the weekend in the guardian or telegraph.

 

here is a report from business car website

 

DVLA runs out of official tax discs in lead up to October 1 Date: 01 September 2014   |   Author: Tom Seymour

 

The DVLA has run out of official perforated tax disc stock in the lead up to making the process digital from October 1.

If drivers have a tax disc with any months left to run after October 1, it can be removed from the vehicle windscreen and destroyed.

The DVLA's head office in Swansea stopped ordering tax disc stock to reduce wastage and is now issuing temporary print outs on pieces of paper which drivers can cut out. The police have been informed of the temporary solution between stock running out in September and tax discs being abolished from October 1.

From October 1, drivers and businesses will still need to buy tax to keep any vehicle on the road. Reminders will still be sent out from the DVLA as usual, and tax can be paid for using the previous methods.

One major change the new road tax rules has created is that vehicle tax can no longer be transferred with the vehicle if it is sold - often an added incentive when purchasing a vehicle.

 

 

 

If after October 1, a vehicle is sold and the DLVA is notified, the organisation will refund any full months remaining on that vehicle tax. Every vehicle must be taxed from the start of ownership, whether new or used.

The DVLA has launched an awareness campaign with part-exchange website webuyanycar.com to try and get the message out about the tax discs.

Buying tax for a vehicle can be done online using the 16-digit reference code from a vehicle tax renewal reminder (V11) or an 11 digit reference number from a vehicle's log book (V5C).

Simon Best, IAM chief executive, said: "It will be interesting to see if some people think that without a visible tax disc it will be easier simply not to buy one. We'll see in time how effective this has been in catching those who avoid paying."

Tax evasion will be enforced by police automatic number plate recognition technology.

DVLA is promoting the end of the tax disc with this video on its Youtube channel:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVfsY8dWhFM&feature=player_embedded
 

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[Parky]

I am still surprised they didn't just wang another 4p a litre on fuel. That way nobody can avoid it and folk doing 50000 miles a year pay more than someone doing 1500 a year, etc.

 

Has the advantage of being dead simple although it would decimate the Swansea job market as the DVLA becomes surplus to requirements.

 

Then the government can turn around and say that because we no longer pay road tax, we need to pay road tolling instead, but in order to pay for its introduction we will have to pay an extra couple of pence per litre to pay for the new road toll monitoring centre in erm, how about in Swansea?

[Parky]

Tax disc stays on the car but should be removed. The missus sent me an email about this today.

 

So if I leave my disc on my car, will it get impounded and crushed on October 2nd?

 

I know failure to display is an offence, it would now appear that failure to NOT display is also one?

 

This whole thing is bloody confusing. I pity my poor father who has only just got used to DVD players, this'll kill him!

[forddeliveryboy]

I agree that they may well end up 'banking' the tax which wasn't refunded to the previous owner and not attempting to crush cars which have been bought within the month, It's the only pragmatic way.

 

NigelB - I thought they were recording our every movement anyway, storing all the data for (officially) six years. And it's not just the ANPR cameras which are linked to the central computer. Aren't larger fuel station cameras all linked up, along with those blue 'congestion-monitoring' roadside ones?

 

As for putting the price on fuel, what about when electric cars start to really take off? There's no way they (WE) can subside EV owners forever, but they can't add a dye to household electricity. Will they all be black-boxed and every mile recorded, as in the insurance co. black boxes? I can't see any other way, which sadly will no doubt filter through to the rest of us.

 

We must never forget how harmful to the environment these heavily-subsidised electric cars are though, which we're all paying for every time we tax our cars or fill the tank, or pay our electricity bill. Not just through the filthy electricity they use but also the production, embodied energy

 

They're running mainly on coal (Ferrybridge is just over 40% efficient) and nuclear (all govts say it's very safe but if there's a big bang most of the UK will be wiped out) which is transmitted through a very lossy grid network, through a charger which loses 25% of the energy then to an inefficient battery, which loses charge even when unused and loses a minimum of 15%ish at best.

[retrogeezer]

it all makes sense to me, a car that is untaxed is maybe losing the gubbermint an average of what £150 a year in VED??

 

So if you aren't taxed, they will pay what? £150 to a hiab owner to come and take your car away for you.....

[Parky]

How does it work on cars with zero VED??

 

So I have to set up a DD for zero pounds? Or call Swansea and tell them to deduct zero pounds from my card for a full years VED?

 

Maybe it's a scheme to confuse us so we see an increase in car seizures so the steel can be used to build our next aircraft carrier a bit more cheaply?

[Vin]

These were waiting in the post when I got home earlier. Two printed 'cut round dotted line' tax discs which I can throw away after 1st October. I'll keep them in to see how long the ink lasts in the sun...

 

[makum101]

All those poor ebay tax disc holder sellers going to go bust next month. Bastid Government!

[richardmorris]

That's the problem - I have ccc, x1/9 club etc tax disc holders that I like (and original dealer one in the 2CV) so I will be digging out the original ones to put on display.

[Bobthebeard]

All those poor ebay tax disc holder sellers going to go bust next month. Bastid Government!

Probably would have gone bust anyway, as Ebay appears to be broken again.

[Mr Lobster]

What happens with those part time traders who just buy a few cars to sell on? Presumably they've relied on the cars they buy having tax until now but I guess they will either have to get trade plates (unlikely for part timers) or pay to tax everything they buy which will work out costly?

[Bobthebeard]

What happens with those part time traders who just buy a few cars to sell on? Presumably they've relied on the cars they buy having tax until now but I guess they will either have to get trade plates (unlikely for part timers) or pay to tax everything they buy which will work out costly?

Good point. Bet the DVLA have really* thought that one through... Or not.

[mercrocker]

What we should have done, of course, as a nation, is all sent our tax back in August and re-taxed the cars 24 hours later.   Think of the bloody meltdown that would have caused....

[Parky]

I think I might dash off a letter to my MP. It's obviously too late to change anything but I would appreciate an explanation of why something archaic but understandable is being replaced with something incomprehensible.

 

In particular does the person who thought of this actually own and run a car, or is this a case of some Business and Finance Majoring consultant with a flipchart bamboozling the powers that be at DVLA in order to justify a massive fee?

 

I know Politicians don't always make good choices but FFS - next thing will be banning powerful hoovers or building new towns with no additional schools or medical facilities.......

 

Such a shame that the sensible majority of folk in this country are sensible enough to not force their ideas on anyone. It just leaves the demented minority to take up those cudgels and make decisions for us poor proles. God bless 'em all.

[richardmorris]

What we should have done, of course, as a nation, is all sent our tax back in August and re-taxed the cars 24 hours later.   Think of the bloody meltdown that would have caused....

 

Quite, but they'd have blamed us for the delay and then fined everyone for not displaying.

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

These were waiting in the post when I got home earlier. Two printed 'cut round dotted line' tax discs which I can throw away after 1st October. I'll keep them in to see how long the ink lasts in the sun...

 

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You might want to pop them in the window complete - I'd bet the velologists will be keen on those in years to come. 

[KruJoe]

You should come live in the Dales...

Shh!

[Matt]

inb4 Scotland votes yes and tax discs are re-introduced here.

 

Fuck all this shit, I'm moving to Germany. Isn't it more and more tempting these days to build a tiny house on a trailer and go 100% off the grid & self sufficient?

 

[forddeliveryboy]

Why do you have to go to Germany to be free?

[Micrashed]

Why do you have to go to Germany to be free?

Probably because if  you try and do this in this country you are either a

 

 

 

 

Or you are:

 

[320touring]

Why do you have to go to Germany to be free?

You dont, but their lager is better than tennants;)