New car tax rip off from DVLA!

[worldofceri]

Sorry if this has been covered, it's not new news, it seems...

 

 

Buying a vehicle

From 1 October, when you buy a vehicle, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferred with the vehicle. You will need to get new vehicle tax before you can use the vehicle.

 

You can tax the vehicle using the New Keeper Supplement (V5C/2) part of the vehicle registration certificate (V5C) online or by phone - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

 

Alternatively, you may wish to visit a Post Office® branch.

 

Selling a vehicle

If you sell a vehicle after 1 October and you have notified DVLA, you will automatically get a refund for any full calendar months left on the vehicle tax.

 

Vehicle tax refunds

You will no longer need to make a separate application for a refund of vehicle tax. DVLA will automatically issue a refund when a notification is received from the person named on DVLA vehicle register that the ... vehicle has been sold ...

 

So (unless every transfer of ownership happens at midnight on the last day of the month) HMRC are going to collect double tax for the month in which a car is sold.  The seller won't get a refund for that month, but the new keeper has to tax the car for that month as well.

 

What a fucking unbelievable rip off.!

 

Or am I getting this wrong?

 

Source.

[dave21478]

No, you dont seem to be wrong.

 

Looks like yet another "improvement" that makes our lives that little bit harder and does absolutely nothing to stop people who just dont bother with tax.

[dollywobbler]

Sadly that does indeed seem to be the case. Saving us hassle and red tape, by causing us hassle that didn't exist before. Nice work gubbermint!

[HH-R]

Ludicrous.

 

Just creates more graft for the DVLA and chance of them making a cock up, which is hardly unknown. So you now have to use the green slip to tax straight away, and if it's the same rule as before where you can only use it once, makes it difficult 6 months down the line when between the DVLA and Royal Mail your new V5 is 'lost'.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I taxed my Primera online last weekend. It was SORN'd at the time. It asked me if i wanted the tax to start 1st May or 1st June. I said 1st June obv. It gave me assorted warnings of prison, hex on my family, outbreak of the plague etc if I drove it on the road before the new tax came into force, but I figured if the consequences were really that hideous they wouldnt have given me the option to do it (they defo were not offering this option till very recently). So I am just enjoying my 'free' fortnight of having a valid tax disc in the window which is not actually valid yet.

[HillmanImp]

So I sell the car on the 31st of January and the new owner taxes is from the 1st of the month. I send off the V5 but Doovla will not get the slip until the 3rd of the month so do I lose the tax on February too or do they backdate it to the date of sale? They can see the tax is doubled?

 

Private car sales will now only take place on the last few days of the month won't they as people are tight. Its only a few quid but you will just want to buy/sell when it costs you less. I will have a look on the ebay tat thread on the 23rd of each month to see what's up for auction. Rest of the month it will probably be dead.

[Micrashed]

Can I tax by phone now? Off to pick a car up next week that is SORN and trying to work out how to tax the bloody thing before I drive it over the Pennines. Did debate going into a local Post Orifice® 

[nigel bickle]

Its an interesting one, with huge potential ramifications that they may not have thought through.

 

Knowing how efficient they are -I'm sure they have.  They wouldn't want to rook us -would they?

 

Double tax? Who's have thought it? With no disc I'm guessing (only guessing) that tax paid for -by whoever, will last until the end of the month, the period unreclaimable.

 

However, I do think we are being lined up for tax on fuel ,after the first years huge payment (obv)

[EssDeeWon]

Sounds like a bloomin nightmare, what was wrong with the age old system of a car displaying a valid tax disc!?!?

 

Looks like the tax disc I need to renew next week on the BMW will be the last one I ever buy then.

 

As Hillman says, car sales will peak towards month end and the very start of a month and the rest of the month will be slow for selling a 2nd hand motor it seems.

 

It just makes me wanna buy something old, shite and tax exempt and pay nothing!

[fordperv]

I'm going to miss that round redundant bit of paper, looks like I'll have to get a period one to fill the void instead

 

Robbing dvla bastards

[Cavcraft]

...and that's whay you're going to have to be desperate to sell a car mid-month as you'll lose out.

[Spiny Norman]

Keeps them in a job at Swansea no doubt...

[Junkman]

So I sell the car on the 31st of January and the new owner taxes is from the 1st of the month. I send off the V5 but Doovla will not get the slip until the 3rd of the month so do I lose the tax on February too or do they backdate it to the date of sale?

 

The transfer of ownership date on the V5 is what counts, even if you send off the form weeks after the sale.

 

What I would like to know, though, is how they refund. They would need my bank details for that, and I can't see a section where I enter it on the V5C.

 

On the plus side, I like the new concept that you can pay the tax monthly per standing order.

[ProgRocker]

Sounds like a bureaucratic pain in the arse to me.

 

I wonder...will this lead to more car sales transactions being done at the end/first day of the month? Ie: decide to buy a car at the end of the month and then pick it up on the first day to get the full benefit of the road fund licence? Looks like the middle 2 weeks of the month are going to be very quiet for car sellers.

[Junkman]

And another thing I like about the new system is, that I don't have to parade a valid tax disc for everyone to see what a good boy I am.

It's none of the general public's bloody business whether I pay taxes or not.

[Ratdat]

 

Vehicle tax refunds

You will no longer need to make a separate application for a refund of vehicle tax. DVLA will automatically issue a refund when a notification is received from the person named on DVLA vehicle register that the ... vehicle has been sold ...

 

I take it this also means you'll no longer be able to refund tax unless you're selling. So when OMGHGF or similar catastrophy occurs leading to a prolonged layup of said chod, you'll have to leave the tax there ticking away.

[Junkman]

I take it this also means you'll no longer be able to refund tax unless you're selling. So when OMGHGF or similar catastrophy occurs leading to a prolonged layup of said chod, you'll have to leave the tax there ticking away.

 

All you have to do is SORN it. No change there.

[Ratdat]

Yeah, just had a read... that's good then. 

 

I still don't quite see how making road tax non transferable saves work and reduces bureaucracy apart from getting rid of refund applications. It seems to counteract the reduction gained by abolishing tax discs themselves. Still, I guess it keeps DVLA bods in jobs.

[dollywobbler]

Yeah, just had a read... that's good then. 

 

I still don't quite see how making road tax non transferable saves work and reduces bureaucracy apart from getting rid of refund applications. It seems to counteract the reduction gained by abolishing tax discs themselves.

 

That's because it doesn't. Won't stop David Camerarse screaming from the rooftops that he's helping the common man though.

[Junkman]

The only real flaw I can see, is that they didn't switch to day adjusted taxation, like it is commonplace in other countries.

So when I buy a car after the 15th of the Month, I won't tax it until the next Month, it's that simple, and it's how I did it hitherto with tax discs anyway.

And I know that I'll get away with it.

[eddyramrod]

You might!  I can tell you with total certainty I wouldn't.  This is just a cockup, as usual.  And as usual, it'll be the likes of us wot pays for it, in every way.

[HillmanImp]

Yeah, how quickly will the police cars etc database be updated? I am pretty sure if you buy a car mid month you will still be showing up as taxed on the last owners tax for the rest of the month if you get pulled by the plod.

[worldofceri]

Actually, the comment about being able to choose the start date for the new tax has got me thinking;  perhaps I've sparked off a fuss about nothing:

 

If the new owner can choose to start his tax from the first of the following month then he's actually getting a part-month's tax courtesy of the previous keeper.  Could be a good thing as it would mean the end of miserable feckers refusing to include the tax disc in the sale.

 

Of course that would then mean the beginning of the month is the best time for buyers and the end of the month is the best time to sell...

[Junkman]

Yeah, how quickly will the police cars etc database be updated? I am pretty sure if you buy a car mid month you will still be showing up as taxed on the last owners tax for the rest of the month if you get pulled by the plod.

The plod is not going to pull you for an expired tax.

Collecting taxes is NOT police work.

[wuvvum]

 

What I would like to know, though, is how they refund. They would need my bank details for that, and I can't see a section where I enter it on the V5C.

I would imagine they'll send you a cheque in the post about six weeks later, like wot they do now.

[HillmanImp]

The plod is not going to pull you for an expired tax.

Collecting taxes is NOT police work.

 

So who knows if I am driving a car around on SORN? Does anyone care?

 

If I get done for speeding and need a producer do I only need to show my insurance and licence? Is there any point taxing my car?

 

I genuinely thought the police did you for not having tax. They did turn up at my house once after a complaint from a neighbour but did not seem to care TBH so you are probably right. I just fobbed them off saying I had just moved in and did not have the V5 to tax it (partially true).

[dollywobbler]

Of course the Police will do you for no tax. Who else is going to do it?

 

EDIT - silly question. DVLA and VOSA will be checking too. Doesn't mean the Police aren't.

[Ratdat]

Once upon a time they would give you a tug as expired/no tax most likely meant you also had no MOT or insurance but these days the plod don't even have to put their donuts and/or coffee down to check on those.

 

If a tax disc is surrendered mid month, as the DVLA don't refund part months then they can't really say the car is unlicensed if it isn't taxed again until the start of the next month, so I doubt there'd be any problem.

[Ratdat]

Of course the Police will do you for no tax. Who else is going to do it?

 

EDIT - silly question. DVLA and VOSA will be checking too. Doesn't mean the Police aren't.

 

The only offence the Police can do you for is failure to display a valid tax disc, which presumably will no longer be an offence after October. So you can actually have tax but still get done if it's not in the window, however, if you have no tax they can still only prosecute for the failure to display bit. As regard the not-paying-tax bit...they just report you to the DVLA and it is they who take further action.

[beko1987]

Fuck sakes! Glad I'll be selling the xm in august with 4 months tax on to give the new owner a chance.

 

One of mine and my colleagues favourite games when bored at work is "find the best thing for under £700 with shit loads of t and t. Need to do a final blowout on that I think...