The Scum of this Earth.

[Lankytim]

I'm sure they are wrong on that. If its a public area like a street then you can film, if the camera has a time and date on it and it's good enough quality it can be used in court. You can't film private land without the owners permission though. The police are never wrong of course!

[trigger]

It sounds like bo11ox to me too, when you watch these Cop Wars programs and the chav is kicking off about there being a camera in his face don't the police normally say something like it's a public street and there's no laws against him filming you?.

 

In fact there's a bit about the law here and it seems your in the right if you want to fit CCTV camera's. http://www.homecctvdirect.co.uk/home-cctv-uk-law.html

[Spiny Norman]

I'm not going to copy the whole thing but THIS ARTICLE seems to suggest it's legal for a private individual to set up a cctv.

 

The Data Protection Act contains an exemption for domestic use, however, so a householder who has a camera on their property for their own personal use would not be covered by the DPA even if the camera overlooks the street or other public areas near their home.

 

Remember that while they might like to give the impression that they know it all, most Plod won't be fully conversant with all the technicalities. I'd stick the camera up and argue about the legality of it later.

[Danblez]

I'm not going to copy the whole thing but THIS ARTICLE seems to suggest it's legal for a private individual to set up a cctv.

 

The Data Protection Act contains an exemption for domestic use, however, so a householder who has a camera on their property for their own personal use would not be covered by the DPA even if the camera overlooks the street or other public areas near their home.

 

Remember that while they might like to give the impression that they know it all, most Plod won't be fully conversant with all the technicalities. I'd stick the camera up and argue about the legality of it later.

 

This^^

 

Besides, Big Dave doesnt give a shit if the video is admissable in court only that he can recognise which hoodie wearing hoodlum it is doing all the damage!

[ruffgeezer]

I agree, I think your plan should be as follows:

 

1) put up massive 80's spec CCTV camera

 

2) Catch neighbourhood scumbag on CCTV

 

3) Remove 80's spec CCTV camera and batter neighbourhood scumbag with it.

 

If the police ask, show them the camera you were "thinking" of putting up and how it got vandalised before you could fit it, they'll lose interest.

[Micrashed]

I have CCTV, it overlooks the street.

No one gives a toss.

Mind you its not switched on.

[quicksilver]

It's a sad state of affairs when you can't even leave your cars safely on the street but modern society seems to be cursed with a total lack of respect for other people's property and nobody willing to do anything about it. What happened to Nigel must have been totally and utterly soul destroying and all credit to him for not throwing in the towel and giving up on shite. Fortunately my family live in a quiet area and have only suffered comparatively minor annoyances: years ago someone smashed the window of my mum's Nova just to steal some cassettes and some time later a mindless scrote thought it would be 'fun' to rip the numberplates off my Fiesta and throw them into a nearby hedge. That was a bit annoying as they were the original pressed metal ones and the modern replacements never looked right to me. Now we only have two fairly average cars and both are garaged so hopefully they'll be safe.

[synx508]

You can find out about CCTV here http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations ... /cctv.aspx Private home CCTV systems don't require registration, but it certainly used to be possible to opt in to do that and appoint yourself as the data controller for images stored, which would give you paperwork to wave at anyone who was trying to tell you it was illegal. Maintaining a system that's fully compliant and capable of evidential quality recording is quite a lot of work, as you can see if you read the PDF on that web page.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

[internet advice] Maybe get a CCTV camera, but have it pointing inwards through your own window etc. [/internet advice]

[Ben_L]

I don't believe the SIA license comes into play here as you only require an SIA license if you're working as a contractor.

 

Hence, Tesco Till workers often work security without an SIA license. Because they're in house, only externally sourced operatives require an SIA license. If you're working for free, charity, good will or identifying trespassers and protecting assets, you're exempted from SIA guidelines.

 

PSS CCTV covers "Monitoring a persons movements in a public place". Imho, that's completely different to protecting your pride and joy.

[Micrashed]

I think I would rather argue the finer points of the law in a court where you can watch video evidence of some scrote damaging your property Vs the argument that it is impinging on his human rights to appearing on Jeremy Kyle or whatever.

[nigel bickle]

It has been very clearly explained to me, both by a long term PCSO -and a time served Sergeant.

 

In Uniform, on duty. No cosy, informal chat but a straight directive with no room for doubt. Noted down, twice, in their Note Books

 

I CANNOT.

 

It will NOT be used in Court -except to prosecute me.

 

Perhaps some of us dont realise what a Stalinist state we now live in.

[RedSparrow]

Mr Bickle has a point. the last 15 years has seen a gradual erosion of people's rights, so gradual that most of the population never noticed. Just shows that a government can get away with anything if they ease it in gently (if you'll excuse the expression). I wouldn't mind if it meant the country was safer but the only purpose seems to be to monitor the population more closely.

[HereHareHere]

As I recall, this famed incident was captured on a CCTV camera installed by the resident.

 

 

Cat-bin woman is filmed on a public street from a camera mounted on private premises... though the bin itself is within the private premises. CBW was prosecuted, though maybe on the strength of her confession rather than the video evidence.

 

WHAT AN ENTHRALLING LEGAL CONUNDRUM.

[Des]

CCTV is now quite cheap, and is the way to go, it may well infringe all manner of petty little rulings under recent legislation creep, but no rule tenuously applied where never intended can trump the ancient law our recent ancestors paid dearly to defend, and we all have a right to protect our property, especially where dem fedz have failed you.

[Lankytim]

Stick a camera up and if anyone asks tell them its a dummy to deter vandals, if it actually captures any wrongdoing then use the evidence to identify and then cripple the guilty party.

[nigel bickle]

I was ''allowed'' to put up (small) CCTV signs -but will get into serious shite if I fit cameras.

 

Simples

[M'coli]

Have they pointed to the particular laws that you will be charged under if you put up CCTV?

[chaseracer]

Have they pointed to the particular laws that you will be charged under if you put up CCTV?

/\/\ This.

 

And since when did the police take on the role of the CPS in deciding on prosecutions? Nige, your local bill are talking shit...

[Lankytim]

I still think Plod are wrong in this case, but if they are going to make your life hell if you don't obey ZE ORDERZ then what can you do?

[Morgan84]

I still think Plod are wrong in this case, but if they are going to make your life hell if you don't obey ZE ORDERZ then what can you do?

 

Write to your local MP and let them breathe down the police forces necks and ask them to give satisfactory answers,and to do the job which tax payers are paying for them to do,which is uphold and enforce the law

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Yeah thats gonna happen

[nigel bickle]

Leave it guys. You're getting worked up -I'm kinda philosophical. Its no big deal -other than another sign of our deteriorating Society.

 

Crims come first. T'was ever thus -just now they dont bother to hide it.

 

Brief update -Scenes of Crime came out to the Fiat (1st name terms ...). 15 secs- gone. I now have a free, albeit damaged, bradle.

[theorganist]

I think the attitude shown to Nigel by the police is reprehensible! I am not convinced what he is being told is correct either!

 

I did see a programme once called Neighbours from Hell or something similar and that had lots of CCTV footage from residents front rooms showing feral neighbours damaging cars and gardens etc, in fact in a couple of cases the police had stalled or authorised the installation of such cameras.

 

Maybe it is something that could be taken up with the new pointless police commissioner who will be appointed later today, they might want something to do to justify their salary!!

 

Pete

[meggersdog]

If i stick a camera up -with any view of public property, or anyone on it:-

 

A. It cant be used in Court..

 

B I get nicked.

 

I've had that explained to me, twice VERY clearly.

 

I had a camera fitted in 2009 when I had all that trouble with the scum over the road.The housing association (who owned the house the scum lived in) fitted it to film only my property because of this law.Some footage was used in court yet on the third court case to evict the scum he submitted photographs of me on my property and my house clearly taken from inside his house and without my knowledge.I queried this with the barrister who just shrugged.One of the photos he submitted was supposedly of a camera in one of my upstairs windows trained on his house.I enjoyed immensely the ridicule I heaped on the defence barrister when this photograph was produced.He was young (probably his first case) and watched too many crime dramas by his "I put it to you " bollocks.My reply was "well mr barrister, I put it to you the object you falsely claim to be a camera is infact a plastic womble.It has been on that windowsill since I moved in but I suppose you are too young to know what a womble is or what one looks like" The judge apparently lived in Wimbledon and looking around the court room at all those blank faces only he and I knew anything about wombles.I ended my conversation with the judge with "if I'd known beforehand there was so much interest in a plastic toy I could have brought it along to show you all"

[SambaS]

That is brilliant HAAAA!

[KruJoe]

...eight pages of reasons to live on top of a hill with no neighbours...

I read most of this thread over breakfast, and as a result I've been glum and close to tears all day. How anyone can live near actual people in a town or city I do not know. But what Nigel has had to put up with- is on a different level altogether. How can he even look at another human being? What a stoic gentleman.

NB, as much as I respect you and your position on this, I'm with the others in saying there must be a positive way forward from this situation.

[shedvan]

 

Its a slippery slope!

[Micrashed]

Do your cars have to be parked on the road Nigel? Or could you park them entirely on your land and then errect a CCTV?

[outlaw118]

Bump for real Fred....