St.Jude’s Road to Perdition: Part Deux // 2008 Peugeot Partner Tepee - GONE! GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE!

[St.Jude]

No joke, one morning I had a job interview and I decided to print my CV off. Fucking printer decided it was too good to print anything and told me, essentially, to fuck off. So I unplugged it and took it in to the garden where I launched the cunt at the ground. About 5 times. All from that film.

We will see what it’s like in the morning. Replacement barrels, proper ones, from breakers are about £90-120. Door locks, fuel cap, and the barrel. Or the ignition barrel can be got from Amazon for £20. So I’d be old school with a key to start and another for everything else. Which I’m going to do.

I know it’s an electrical thing (obvs) so fairly confident the brakes haven’t borked themselves. So will drive it back to the garage and let them sort it. Again.

[Imhotep]

All of that says to me the very common 12v ignition feed from the barrel isn’t working properly. Dead common on 106s and Saxos and the symptoms were basically what you described. Essentially one wire feeds a lot of the switched 12v which all of those would be on. May just need some contact cleaner. Likely coincidence rather than related, as I said, very common on PSA stuff.

[St.Jude]

4 minutes ago, Imhotep said:

All of that says to me the very common 12v ignition feed from the barrel isn’t working properly. Dead common on 106s and Saxos and the symptoms were basically what you described. Essentially one wire feeds a lot of the switched 12v which all of those would be on. May just need some contact cleaner. Likely coincidence rather than related, as I said, very common on PSA stuff.

May try that in the morning. I’ve a barrel on order from Amazon of top* kwaliteeee that will be here tomorrow.

Thats why I’m cool about it. I know it can’t be related and as I said earlier I was expecting the next thing. 

[Imhotep]

As silly as it sounds, the generally accepted fix for the 106 and Saxo was to remove the connector and solder the barrel loom to the car loom, as the 12v isn’t powered unless the key is in the barrel and turned anyway, it doesn’t make any difference. 

[St.Jude]

In other news, seller sent the money through for the invoice. Which surprised me, I expected a hassle.

[tom13]

I you do fuck this thing off you can come and have a look at this crewcab Scudo I have which you can have for cheap.

[St.Jude]

24 minutes ago, tom13 said:

I you do fuck this thing off you can come and have a look at this crewcab Scudo I have which you can have for cheap.

Will do! Let’s see if I can evict Derek Acorah from it first!

[rusty_vw_man]

actual footage of @St.Jude‘s new polo to replace this haunted van…. 

[Datsuncog]

46 minutes ago, St.Jude said:

In other news, seller sent the money through for the invoice. Which surprised me, I expected a hassle.

He knew. He absolutely knew.

[loserone]

Get it sold.  NOW 

[St.Jude]

13 minutes ago, loserone said:

Get it sold.  NOW 

Are you able to help me with it? Genuinely. I don’t want to do wrong for doing right sort of thing so would appreciate any and all help.

As to me, it’s great it’s had a new turbo and shit.

But as what @artdjones said - if you see that you’re going to run a mile.

[rusty_vw_man]

Don’t fix the switch - phone your friendly* dealer and tell them the latest issue. Explain that it is now differently fucked, and that whilst you were willing to give them a chance to fix it once, twice is too many times. You are therefore exercising your right to reject it. 

Explain that it is currently not able to be driven, so how would they like to proceed? You can arrange to be in when the collect it if that would help them. 

This doesn’t have to be your problem, a fucked ignition switch is your new way of exiting from this mess. The fact they coughed without hassle shows they know it’s fucked so they will already be expecting your call……

If you fix this, or allow them too you’re going to make it harder to go down rejection route. 

[St.Jude]

You are not wrong. But I’ve not got the energy.

My reluctance is a feeling/vibe I get from them, I can argue the toss here and if/when I get the credit card involved I’d likely get my cash back. But I would expect them on my doorstep. That’s what my feeling is, stupid as it is, it’s hard to shake.

While this has been rumbling on, something happened with my lads nursery which is looking like it’s going to get legal (us vs them). That, I will be honest, has my attention and energy.

And really the latter fucks it for me. It shouldn’t but it does. I read back and yeah I’m confident of the CC helping me out but life gets in the way.

As much as it’s funny I am done with the car. I love an argument but fuck me I just have a fucking feeling of dread having to email the cunt to throw this back.

I won’t do anything tonight on it and hope for a different head for it tomorrow.

[rusty_vw_man]

I get it - you just wanted a nice easy car to load the kids in and out of, minimum fuss, went to dealer for ease. 

But because life seems to enjoy being harder than it needs to, it’s not actually a nice easy hassle free car, and you don’t have the head space for the fight. Legal, nursery and child are not words anyone wants to have to put in the same sentence. 

It’s really easy for us all to pile on with the helpful* advice, but it’s you who has to deal with it all in real life. 

I guess most of us are trying to prompt you into doing this because we’re concerned it’s going to get worse, and the window for a potential resolution is closing.

If I could offer one last unsolicited bit of advice, you say you have their email, before writing this off as hopeless just email them the list of new faults, no threats, no suggestions or resolutions, just the facts that it now appears possessed, and a relatively passive ‘and you’ll appreciate I have lost faith in it now’ type ending. If they come back with a nice friendly response and proposed solution it opens the door to a responding with a ‘actually will you just take it away’ type response. They are unlikely to react badly to such a mild approach, and it shouldn’t take too much head space as you’re not trying to concoct a killer email, just a friendly you’ll never guess what’s happened now…. 

Alternatively if they reply and just send you a picture of their arse and tell you it’s yours now then you can decide you don’t have the head space and just accept that life deals you a crap hand sometimes and we can all try and provide diagnostic advice on whatever its latest foibles are over the next couple of years and promise not to say we told you so….. 

Your mental wellbeing is clearly the most important thing in dealing with this, but it feels like there may be a low risk, low energy approach to find out which way they might go. 

Depends on whether they are genuinely robbing scum selling dodgy motors, or just trying to make money out of cars bought at auction and they’re big enough and wise enough to admit they’ve lost on this one…..

Hope you make it all work in your head whichever way - I’d be a furious ball of anger, frustration and overthinking worry in every varying proportions in the same situation! 

[jonathan_dyane]

You did well getting them to pay up without taking them to small claims court.

I'd say the choices are either keeping it and hoping for the best or getting rid of it ASAP.

[Datsuncog]

Fit the new Amazon ignition barrel. 

WBAC. 

Run and don't look back. 

There are absolutely better cars out there; you've unfortunately had a banquet of shit sandwiches lately but you can't put a price on your sanity. 

Something dull but reputable like a T25 Avensis estate might tide you over and just be AN CAR until things are more settled and you're in a position to give the Wheel O' Shite another spin? 

[St.Jude]

I went out to it today with half an idea of doing the barrel. Even if to just see if it is that. Tried starting it and this is what I’m presented with:

Tried the cabin switches again and the fucking window works going down and it refused to stop. It’s currently down, and it started to rain. So I did the only thing I knew how and placed most of this hateful thing in to a bin bag.

Stormed back inside anyway and started drafting an email. But looking at the responses it’s very clear (and I know not binding) “this is it now we’re done” with that car. So I can draft and send this email as per the ever helpful @rusty_vw_man (and I do appreciate the advice), but I do feel on a hiding to nothing.

Plus as my ever helpful wife pointed out, not fully knowing what’s been done (which I suppose puts her like the seller) “why aren’t you taking it back to the garage who fixed it?”. She said all these bits that don’t work have worked before they got it. She has a point tbh. Plus I would need to get this thing to Chepstow (where I bought it, fuck it) near Newport which is 60 mile I think from me. Fine happy days if they fix it but I’m having to fuck around getting back at distance. I won’t be doing this distance buying from an dealer again for sure.

Then has the BCM/BSM/CJD/HIV whatever got soaked from the steam cleaning. Theres a sign saying don’t do it on a cover that’s fairly loose.

Question to the hive mind, regardless of emails, am I alright to drive the thing even with the ABS fault? As I’m inclined to drive it to them but don’t particularly want to risk it given the error. It’d be a 13 mile trip one way basically but country/A roads.

In fairness tomorrow I’m going to start sorting my 107 out to drive. As I am getting shot of it one way or the other.

[chadders]

Is it actually an ABS fault or a faulty warning?

We had the latter with our Roomster which turned out to be wires chewed by mice.

[St.Jude]

7 minutes ago, chadders said:

Is it actually an ABS fault or a faulty warning?

We had the latter with our Roomster which turned out to be wires chewed by mice.

No idea, it’s just turned up like that since I parked it up.

It brakes fine, well it did the last time I drove it. And I noticed it more than usual as the brakes are really really good and sharp. Compared to the Subaru. Somehow.

[EyesWeldedShut]

54 minutes ago, St.Jude said:

No idea, it’s just turned up like that since I parked it up.

It brakes fine, well it did the last time I drove it. And I noticed it more than usual as the brakes are really really good and sharp. Compared to the Subaru. Somehow.

Assuming it's wiring/sensors and not something like low brake fluid then it'll just be like driving an old school motor - you'll be able to lockup/skid as much as you want

[Andyrew]

I'd start by chucking a volt metre over the battery,  because French. 

If its a decent voltage, disconnect it and leave it while you have a quick brew, before re connection have a little nosey if any is unplugged in the engine bay. 

Then give the garage a shout and see what they say, just incase they have seen it before. 

 

 

 

[Mr Pastry]

At the risk of muddying the waters even further - as said, voltmeter on battery, but what you really need to know is the voltage across the battery with engine running at say 1500 rpm with all the lights on.

I think it would be worth changing the ignition switch/barrel or whatever you have - is it the bit the key goes into, or the switch itself?

Another thing that can cause this sort of grief is a bad earth between engine and body.  As it has been worked on, this is a possibility.  Easily checked by applying a jump lead between engine block and battery negative, and see if that changes anything.

[St.Jude]

15 minutes ago, CGSB said:

 

 

More like:

https://youtu.be/4iF47M3YDlg?si=2djc7gnnjEv6oAw9

[bezzabsa]

disconnect battery and leave it for a few hours

[St.Jude]

Just now, Mr Pastry said:

At the risk of muddying the waters even further - as said, voltmeter on battery, but what you really need to know is the voltage across the battery with engine running at say 1500 rpm with all the lights on.

I think it would be worth changing the ignition switch/barrel or whatever you have - is it the bit the key goes into, or the switch itself?

Another thing that can cause this sort of grief is a bad earth between engine and body.  As it has been worked on, this is a possibility.  Easily checked by applying a jump lead between engine block and battery negative, and see if that changes anything.

I think the ignition barrel is a complete unit. I’m out at the moment so can’t take a pic.

But the key wiggles in the lock and you can tell wiggling at least stops it starting on Pos 1 of the ignition.

Will try the leads tomorrow. I will see if my mate is about tomorrow to do the volt meter.

[St.Jude]

1 minute ago, bezzabsa said:

disconnect battery and leave it for a few hours

Got to. It’s not locked with a bin bag on the window.

For a moment I thought it’d get nicked but let’s face it. They’d get half a mile away and it’d break down and I’d get it back. So no good!

[Imhotep]

Might also be worth trying this…

https://www.petercoopercarrepairs.co.uk/peugeot_bsi_reboot_procedure.htm

[Dave_Q]

The BSM is a board of fuses and relays that live under the bonnet, you should be able to get the whole board out by removing somewhere between a couple and several wiring connectors.

Take it in the house, have a look to see if it's wet, and maybe clean it off with isopropyl alcohol and stick in in the airing cupboard.

Citroen C8s used to be bad for issues with the BSM because water from the scuttle used to drain directly onto it, and the lids either didn't fit well or disappeared.

[artdjones]

1 hour ago, Dave_Q said:

Citroen C8s used to be bad for issues with the BSM because water from the scuttle used to drain directly onto it, and the kids either didn't fit well or disappeared.

They also were supposed to have a rubber tube draining the scuttle, which could be easily dislodged during other work, thus soaking the box, as the stub the tube was supposed to fit on to was directly above.

[Dave_Q]

49 minutes ago, artdjones said:

They also were supposed to have a rubber tube draining the scuttle, which could be easily dislodged during other work, thus soaking the box, as the stub the tube was supposed to fit on to was directly above.

I seem to remember there was a fix for it that involved a small shelf/hat for the BSM to direct the water elsewhere that came in on the later models.