collection mission to SPAIN!!!! COMPLETED IT M8

[Mr_Bo11ox]

The 'barred' bit just means literally crossed out. When the car is sold, the old CG becomes invalid so the seller is supposed to draw a big diagonal line right across it and sign/date it. 

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I'm cooking on gas here. Just had my import declaration and NOVA letters back already. Now I need to write off to the DVLA and get a UK reg number!!!!!

I used this crew for the import declaration and NOVA.

https://mycarimport.co.uk/

They charged me £120 for the service and levied £55.20 import duty. I had to provide a scan of the Carte Grise, the Cert de Cession and a 'sales invoice' (basically just a simple document with car details, buyer/seller details and signatures, and the sale price all on a single piece of paper). The whole lot is done via a 'wizard' on their website and is very straightforward. Can't fault their service. I will say though that that's a straight, black-and-white £175 Brexit on-cost. 

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I think I have to provide some proof of UK insurance when I apply to register and tax this thing. Presumably I insure it on the VIN and then let the insurers know when the DVLA 'reg number generator' lays an egg so they can update the certificate. Anyone suggest a friendly classic car insurer who will be up for this?

[jim89]

34 minutes ago, Mr_Bo11ox said:

Theres not a lot I can add abut the ANTS side as obvs the seller will be dealing with that. But I think, that when the new owner details (as stated on the Certificate de Cession) are logged on ANTS, its apparent that he's outside of France and thus the car is considered exported.

The seller was living in Spain and had been doing for 2-3 years but he'd never registered the Simca there, it was still on its French papers & logbook. He said the registration process in Spain was complicated and expensive and thats why he'd never done it (and partially why he put it up for sale). So the cert de cession had his old French address on and my UK address.

For the MOT, he wasn't sure if the CG being barred would cause any issues when i took it for a CT. So he left it unbarred and we agreed that after the CT was done I would bar it myself and put his signature on it!!! I mean I'm fine to do that if he doesn't mind, so thats what we did. But I think it would have been OK if it was barred too. The CT people are not interested in who is presenting the car for its test, they didnt ask me for any of my details, ID etc etc. They did issue me with a CT 'bilan' certificate and I need to scan it and send it back to the seller for him to declare the sale, still not done that yet. I will also send him a scan of the barred CG but I don't suppose he needs it, other than to see that I've done what we agreed. The CT was very painless and very much like a UK one - just rock up, wait an hour, then the mechanic tells you what he's found and gives you a paper copy of the results. He didnt seem fazed at all at testing a 46-yr old car.

The seller also left his insurance on it for me. I didn't ask him to do that, and indeed i paid £130 for my own 1-month insurance policy, but he did it anyway saying 'let me know when you get home and I'll cancel it then'.

The whole thing was very painless for me tbh. But then again I got a good 'vibe' off the seller when i first enquired about it and he turned out to be super sound and made the whole thing as simple as possible for us both.

So, & now you're home & well, did it pass the CT with the failed brake wheel cylinder?

[danthecapriman]

7 minutes ago, Mr_Bo11ox said:

I think I have to provide some proof of UK insurance when I apply to register and tax this thing. Presumably I insure it on the VIN and then let the insurers know when the DVLA 'reg number generator' lays an egg so they can update the certificate. Anyone suggest a friendly classic car insurer who will be up for this?

That’s how I had to do it on my yank tank before I got a UK reg number. I think most classic car insurance brokers will insure temporarily on the VIN number, then as soon as you get your reg number you just tell them, they update the policy and you’re good to go. 
Im not sure if your supposed to drive it while it’s insured on the VIN only though?

Your better off calling them to do this and discuss it rather than trying an online only insurance quote thingy though.

 

I thought classic cars were imported tax free?? I’m sure I didn’t have to pay anything on my yank and that came from non EU country.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

4 minutes ago, jim89 said:

So, & now you're home & well, did it pass the CT with the failed brake wheel cylinder?

What you're asking is, was the wheel cylinder a major (please fix quickly) issue or a critical (don't drive until fixed/Oooops too late) issue right? 

I don't know TBH, but its on the certificate. I'l have a look tonight and let you know.

I've ordered a new wheel cylinder anyway, may bosh it on this weekend if I get time.

[Shite Ron]

33 minutes ago, Mr_Bo11ox said:

Hang on a sec, the purchase price of the Brownmobile isn't included in the £1300, thats another ~£1050 on top of the £1300 expedition costs.

Still great value, you have a great example of an interesting car in a great colour and an exciting holiday for around 5 months PCP payments on a bland mobile that you would never own. This way you have a great car, an asset and memories for ever, plus hero status on here. 

[Mr_Bo11ox]

1 minute ago, danthecapriman said:

I thought classic cars were imported tax free?? I’m sure I didn’t have to pay anything on my yank and that came from non EU country.

Pretty certain there is a 5% charge, it might be VAT actually though rather than an import tax (tariff).

[LightBulbFun]

11 minutes ago, Mr_Bo11ox said:

I think I have to provide some proof of UK insurance when I apply to register and tax this thing. Presumably I insure it on the VIN and then let the insurers know when the DVLA 'reg number generator' lays an egg so they can update the certificate. Anyone suggest a friendly classic car insurer who will be up for this?

ya only need proof of insurance if your registering it in NI, on the mainland UK the vehicle does not technically need to be insured to be registered, for it to all be NOVA declared etc, have a suitable proof of vehicle age (or the original french logbook etc) and a suitably filled out V55/5+£55 cheque to pay for the first registration fee

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/new-registrations

scroll down to Used vehicles, and "Supporting documents needed for all vehicles"  

 

obviously you will need to insure it once ya do get the V5 for it, or at least SORN it (if its taxed without insurance eventually the DVLA do check the MID, but they will give you a bit of leeway right at the start)

[egg]

1 hour ago, lesapandre said:

A lot of people use a specialist notary to do the new ownership admin (the operate like the old DVLA local offices).

Without wishing to thread drift too much, amazing how much power 'notaires' and mayors have in their local area, we just don't have the same kind of set up in the UK.

[danthecapriman]

1 minute ago, Mr_Bo11ox said:

Pretty certain there is a 5% charge, it might be VAT actually though rather than an import tax (tariff).

You might be right there actually, now you mentioned VAT it does ring a bell from doing mine.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

^^^^ TOP INTEL as if I can avoid shelling out for an insurance policy for a little while I will... Might as well wait till I get me S-reg or whatever it is (April 1978?)

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I am defo gonna do another of these missions I reckon. So much shite out there waiting to come back to Alfreton. Maybe a Perkins 4108-engined Seat 131 from the south of Spain or something. Will probably be next spring though.

[jim89]

9 minutes ago, Mr_Bo11ox said:

What you're asking is, was the wheel cylinder a major (please fix quickly) issue or a critical (don't drive until fixed/Oooops too late) issue right? 

I don't know TBH, but its on the certificate. I'l have a look tonight and let you know.

I've ordered a new wheel cylinder anyway, may bosh it on this weekend if I get time.

Yes sorry for mangled terminology 🙂

Up thread we were discussing critical failures & your wheel cylinder appeared to be on the list of critical... "Lack of braking effort at one or more wheels" I think it was...

[LightBulbFun]

8 minutes ago, Mr_Bo11ox said:

^^^^ TOP INTEL as if I can avoid shelling out for an insurance policy for a little while I will... Might as well wait till I get me S-reg or whatever it is (April 1978?)

if a date of first registration is stated on the french logbook then thats what the DVLA will issue the age related plate according to, so yeah if it was first registered in April 1978, then S reg it will be, I could possibly even tell which registration mark it is you might get, but maybe thats too much of a spoiler  (although these days with the closure of all the local offices its a bit of a pot luck if you get a *location* related plate in addition to an age related plate, I have often wondered if you could explicitly ask the DVLA that the plate they issue you, is one for your local area)

 

[Mr_Bo11ox]

3 minutes ago, jim89 said:

Yes sorry for mangled terminology 🙂

Up thread we were discussing critical failures & your wheel cylinder appeared to be on the list of critical... "Lack of braking effort at one or more wheels" I think it was...

Yeah could well be, I mean whats more critical than a brake not working? (knackered tyres maybe). It did pull a little to one side under heavy braking too. 

[Tayne]

50 minutes ago, Mr_Bo11ox said:

Hang on a sec, the purchase price of the Brownmobile isn't included in the £1300, thats another ~£1050 on top of the £1300 expedition costs.

So that’s a £2k car for £2k and £350 on a long weekend in the sun that included a visit to your mother.

Quids in!

[horriblemercedes]

I've had some dirty thoughts about bringing a diesel Ital back from Portugal

 

Probably none left anyway though

[Surface Rust]

This has had me browsing Le Bon Coin as well. I'd love a Peugeot J9 with slidey doors, they are such a practical layout and would be a performance upgrade* over my Acadiane.

[LightBulbFun]

7 minutes ago, horriblemercedes said:

I've had some dirty thoughts about bringing a diesel Ital back from Portugal

 

Probably none left anyway though

im really quite surprised no ones done this already, or brought one back from Malta, or whatever it is they exist also, I mean a Diesel Morris Marina/Ital surely has to be one of thee most Autoshite vehicles out there? has anyone imported  and registered one in the UK at all, as in are any known in the UK, guess thats a question for @MarinaJosh  

 

[jim89]

8 minutes ago, Surface Rust said:

This has had me browsing Le Bon Coin as well. I'd love a Peugeot J9 with slidey doors, they are such a practical layout and would be a performance upgrade* over my Acadiane.

Dabs on the acad plz 😁

[jim89]

10 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

im really quite surprised no ones done this already, or brought one back from Malta, or whatever it is they exist also, I mean a Diesel Morris Marina/Ital surely has to be one of thee most Autoshite vehicles out there? has anyone imported  and registered one in the UK at all, as in are any known in the UK, guess thats a question for @MarinaJosh  

 

Cyprus also has plenty old chod lurking in the hills especially west & north west (where it's a bit time warpy in general)

RHD too.

[Dave_Q]

LBF has covered it but yeah you don't need insurance to register it, you need a V55/5, evidence of dating (ie Carte Gris), photocopy of ID, a cheque for £55 (because why would the DVLA accept digital currency for this in 2024), plus I would send in a V112 MOT exemption form just to cover the fact you're not sending it in with an MOT. 

A covering letter stating what you've sent in and why seems to help too. 

[egg]

50 minutes ago, Mr_Bo11ox said:

S-reg or whatever it is (April 1978?)

Hopefully BAL 555S

[loserone]

47 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

possibly even tell which registration mark it is you might get, but maybe thats too much of a spoiler

Checking to see if there's one ending 841S or similar coming up might be worth a cheeky ask

[LightBulbFun]

19 minutes ago, loserone said:

Checking to see if there's one ending 841S or similar coming up might be worth a cheeky ask

you can if you want get a private plate assigned as a vehicles very first plate when registering it, you just include the relevant "I want to apply my private plate to a vehicle" paperwork in with the other documents,  thus it would appear to an outsider anyone checking the plate history etc as if it was issued that plate right out of the gate  

(this is also how Random moderns etc end up on age related plates, someone in Audi has their private plate applied to right right at date of first registration, then they bin it off at the end of the PCP or whatever, retain the private plate, and since theres no previous plate to fall back onto the Audi gets an age related plate issued)

[egg]

Or go dateless NI for just £36...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256452784178

[adw1977]

How about TAP37S ?

[Joey spud]

2 hours ago, Mr_Bo11ox said:

I am defo gonna do another of these missions I reckon. So much shite out there waiting to come back to Alfreton. Maybe a Perkins 4108-engined Seat 131 from the south of Spain or something. Will probably be next spring though.

How about a large 70/80's tax,mot and ULEZ free Japanese Estate from Scandinavia ?

That's my dream car/holiday adventure anyway.

[lesapandre]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Without wishing to thread drift too much, amazing how much power 'notaires' and mayors have in their local area, we just don't have the same kind of set up in the UK.

Yes. It's very devolved government - thought recently a lot of the 'cantons' have been amalgamated. Best to keep the local mayor on side tho.

The notaries help with administration matters, buying and selling houses, buying and selling cars and managing house and land sales etc. Bit like a British solicitor. A useful service.