2-stroke blue smoke

[RedSparrow]

Off to Berlin soon, volcanoes permitting.Been there loads, and eastern bloc shite is practically non-existant there now. Anyway, am I right in thinking the German government banned 2-stroke cars, ie Trabbis and Wartburgs, from their cities?

[barrett]

I know a lot of German cities have had a huge clampdown on emissions recently which has sent a lot of older cars to the scrapper (or the boondocks), but i've not heard about them banning two-strokes outright. I imagine that they would fail the new super-stringant emissions tests anyway, so have been banned by default.

[RedSparrow]

Seen a couple of Trabants that are tarted up to drive round the tousristy areas. Deffo 2-stroke as the noise is unmistakeable! Maybe its possible to squeeze them through an emissions test if you really wanted to - there must be a fair few enthusiasts in Germany.

[Andrew353w]

Keep your eyes open for one of these...

 

Particularly one with a cat.....

 

Any 2 strokers out there might like to know that Morrisons supermarket garage forecourts are doing 1 litre bottles of 2 stroke for £1.49....

[Cavcraft]

You can still get some new 2 stroke scooters so I'd imagine there must be a cat of some sort to 'tame' the emissions a bit? *Andrew, cheers for the info. Think I paid a fiver last for a litre and the local garage wanted a bloody tenner.

[carlo]

Have you any more pictures of that beautiful Wartburg Andrew, my first car was a light blue 1975 Knight which I had for three years and loved to bits.

[Andrew353w]

Just had a bit of an "incident" at the Morrsion's forecourt in Kenton, north west London. I was driving the Wartburg & went in to ask if they sold two stroke oil. The guy pointed me in the right direction and, low and behold, the price on the shelf was £1.49 for a litre, as mentioned earlier in this thread. So I picked up 3 bottles & handed the guy £4.50, expecting threpence change. The guy told me they were £2.49 each.... Fortunately I stood my ground and quoted The Sale Of Goods Ast 1982, which (I think) states that you can't quote one price in a shop & a different one at the till. MIRACLE! The manager apologised to me, explaining that his staff had forgotten to remove the promotional offer price, which had ended almost a week ago & I was allowed to buy the oil for £1.49 per litre!I'm a happy man and am looking to trying the same "stroke" at another Morrisons garage soon.... (Were my actions strictly legal? Does anyone know?)

[brammy777]

As far as Im aware, the shop has to charge what the shelf says, simple as. Happens to me on the odd occasion, the company I work for is always raising some items pricing and its quite easy to fall behind. Especially when they cant even sort out their own promotions correctly.Edit: Its viewed as the correct thing to do with customers, easy way to lose customers is to make them think you are swindling them out of cash, so its usually better for you and them to sell it at the price advertised, even if it is wrong.

[Father Ted]

I'm a happy man and am looking to trying the same "stroke" at another Morrisons garage soon.... (Were my actions strictly legal? Does anyone know?)

Sort of, if its a genuine mistake the shopkeeper has no obligation to sell to you at the lower price.

[Milford Cubicle]

You can get 'smokeless' 2 stroke oil for chainsaws, I imagine the same stuff would work in cars. It's pretty pricey though.

[Richard]

I seem to remember My Yamaha RX-S was less smoky on the red stuff than the blue stuff.

[Milford Cubicle]

It's black Stihl HP super 2-stroke oil that is virtually smoke/fume-less. The red stuff GASSES you.

[Dead_E23]

Sort of, if its a genuine mistake the shopkeeper has no obligation to sell to you at the lower price.

I don't think it matters whether it's a mistake or not - they're under no obligation to sell at the price marked on the shelf. Here's why: Fisher v BellIn practice, they usually take the lower price in the interests of not pissing the customer off, but if its a 50" plasma that's been accidentally marked up at a quid they'd tell you to whistle.

[Alpineandy]

Most of the major german cities have a 'low-emissions' zone and your car has to show a windscreen sticker to show it's allowed in.

 

This has the info;

http://www.umwelt-plakette.de/int_engla ... 54f6df0e53

 

I know I couldn't drive all the way in (last sept) in my 96 diesel safrane as it's too old to get a pass........... But check the zone map as your hotel may be outside the zone and the U-Bahn (tube) is easy and cheap to use.

 

I think the only way to get a pass for an old car is if you actually live in the zone.

[garethj]

Sort of, if its a genuine mistake the shopkeeper has no obligation to sell to you at the lower price.

I don't think it matters whether it's a mistake or not - they're under no obligation to sell at the price marked on the shelf. Here's why: Fisher v BellIn practice, they usually take the lower price in the interests of not pissing the customer off, but if its a 50" plasma that's been accidentally marked up at a quid they'd tell you to whistle.

I thought it was Boots vs Pharmaceutical Society?The offer and exchange of contract doesn't take place until you get to the till, doesn't matter what's displayed on the shelfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_Society_of_Great_Britain_v_Boots_Cash_Chemists_%28Southern%29_Ltd