The grumpy thread

[MarvinsMom]

If it wasn't for the odd white highlighting wrecking my eyes, I'd like that twice

 

(your reasons, not how the unions screwed your old man, obvs)

i dunno why it has been posted like that......

 

no idea at all! i posted it out of Word cos i typed it up in that first co it took AGES to type. 

 

i have what are called "stupid fingers" so typing takes some effort, and thank god for auto-correct!!

[Craig the Princess]

. So why should I pay in for them to make things worse?

I guess that is the thing, a union isn't them making it better/worse. If there are 15 of you there and 12 don't like the way it is being run then you could easily change the rep and the policy.

 

But you would rather not pay in and complain about it. What chance does that give you to improve your t&cs?

[chaseracer]

As a wise colleague and mentor once said to me: "Dave, sometimes we fight and we lose.  Sometimes we fight and we win.  But if we don't fight, we've already lost.  So we fight."

[chaseracer]

I guess that is the thing, a union isn't them making it better/worse. If there are 15 of you there and 12 don't like the way it is being run then you could easily change the rep and the policy.

 

But you would rather not pay in and complain about it. What chance does that give you to improve your t&cs?

 

None whatsoever.  But they're happy to take the benefits that other people fight for.

[Guest Hooli]

I guess that is the thing, a union isn't them making it better/worse. If there are 15 of you there and 12 don't like the way it is being run then you could easily change the rep and the policy.

 

But you would rather not pay in and complain about it. What chance does that give you to improve your t&cs?

 

15 of us in the building, a lot more in the NHS. We've got a little hut off to the side as IT nerds shouldn't be allowed to mix with normals...

 

Anyway I don't know anyone competent at their job who feels the need for a union, never have either.

[Guest Hooli]

None whatsoever.  But they're happy to take the benefits that other people fight for.

 

We get fucked over, as I said before. Because they don't fight for what anyone wants.

[Captain Furious]

As a wise colleague and mentor once said to me: "Dave, sometimes we fight and we lose.  Sometimes we fight and we win.  But if we don't fight, we've already lost.  So we fight."

Instead of putting that energy into fighting a company into giving you something they don't want to give you and spending the rest of time resenting each other over it, why not put it into finding a company that will give you what you want?

[Lankytim]

Everyone is an agency worker nowadays, or worse, a 1 man band Ltd company. Unions can do precisely fuck all to help us.

[Guest Hooli]

Instead of putting that energy into fighting a company into giving you something they don't want to give you and spending the rest of time resenting each other over it, why not put it into finding a company that will give you what you want?

 

Or working with the company to find something you can can get, they are happy to give & makes for a more harmonious workplace.

[chaseracer]

Instead of putting that energy into fighting a company into giving you something they don't want to give you and spending the rest of time resenting each other over it, why not put it into finding a company that will give you what you want?

It's called working for the collective good.  However, I don't expect certain participants in this debate to either understand or agree with the concept, so I suggest we respect each others' positions/opinions and call time.

 

It's been interesting.

[Craig the Princess]

Anyway I don't know anyone competent at their job who feels the need for a union, never have either.

Yeah, because no one competent ever has a cunt for a boss who tries to get rid of them, or has a lot of sick leave because they get a serious illness, or a whole host of other situations where unions help.

 

Perhaps this comes from working in an industry with 90% plus union membership.

[doobietoo]

I was a health and safety steward when I was welding - I did get some things improved but it was a thankless task.

 

As a public sector emoloyee who has had nothing but misery since this government came into power what I will say is this - once the public sector has been dismantled attention will be turned to the private sector especially post brexit - minimum wage, paid holidays etc will be under threat - mark my words. Anything to help business - bollocks to the people actually doing the work. Plenty more where you came from.

 

Ah yes blame brexit...... that always works....it cant be plenty where you came from AND remainer buisnesses  complaining there are not enough workers and they will have to close down.... take your pick one or the other cant have it both ways.....

[fordperv]

I went to put some cash in the bank earlier after id finished a gym session so i was dressed in trackies and a t shirt, the cashier looked at me like i was up to something dodgy then looked at another member of staff and gave that look, fair enough it was a large amount but ive never been looked at that way when im dressed normal depositing similar amounts, i still used my manners etc judgemental bastards

[Guest Hooli]

Yeah, because no one competent ever has a cunt for a boss who tries to get rid of them, or has a lot of sick leave because they get a serious illness, or a whole host of other situations where unions help.

 

Perhaps this comes from working in an industry with 90% plus union membership.

 

And perhaps I've not always worked in the NHS & still have never seen a use for unions in the private sector either.

 

Like I said, they are a good idea but the practical implementation I've seen of them is a bloody joke. Just like the NHS really.

[Craig the Princess]

Just getting over a nasty sickness bug that Junior the Princess had last week. On the plus side I've been able to keep water down today.

[doobietoo]

I went to put some cash in the bank earlier after id finished a gym session so i was dressed in trackies and a t shirt, the cashier looked at me like i was up to something dodgy then looked at another member of staff and gave that look, fair enough it was a large amount but ive never been looked at that way when im dressed normal depositing similar amounts, i still used my manners etc judgemental bastards

 

I find sniffing a lot helps in reinforcing their prejudices......

[cobblers]

The other day I was arsing about in the attic doing a bit of wiring, anyway I cut a hole in some plasterboard for a socket and had a nosey behind with a torch

 

 

Great I thought, a flippin wasps nest. I decided it was probably long dormant cos we've never had wasps and decided to ignore it because doing anything about it would mean taking the roof off or knocking massive holes in the wall.

 

Well, just now while sat in the attic, four massive wasps have just landed on my desk, FFS

 

I might try and just blow the nest to bits with the pressure washer through the hole I cut for a socket and then nuke it into orbit with many cans of pesticide or something.

 

[cobblers]

Picture is upside down because of "forum upload things", Obviously ignore the fuppin birds nest below it, we fixed that hole years ago.

[vulgalour]

You have to set the house on fire and leave now.  There is no other option.

[cobblers]

I tried that but it's too damp

[Louise2cv]

He said "wasps" not spiders.

[cobblers]

We've got loads of spiders, absolutely massive ones, some about as big as dogs. They're great, other than one keeps making a web in front of the CCTV camera.

[Louise2cv]

Well. I'm not going to drag out the old "dad+wasps+paraffin flame wand" story for a 5th time on Autoshite but....

 

 

It was the only time in my life that I have seen him run

[vulgalour]

Well we can only hope that the wasps and spiders in Cobbler's damp attic don't join forces because then we'll really be screwed.

[scaryoldcortina]

They are probably forming a trade union right now.

[Tamworthbay]

The other day I was arsing about in the attic doing a bit of wiring, anyway I cut a hole in some plasterboard for a socket and had a nosey behind with a torch

 

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Great I thought, a flippin wasps nest. I decided it was probably long dormant cos we've never had wasps and decided to ignore it because doing anything about it would mean taking the roof off or knocking massive holes in the wall.

 

Well, just now while sat in the attic, four massive wasps have just landed on my desk, FFS

 

I might try and just blow the nest to bits with the pressure washer through the hole I cut for a socket and then nuke it into orbit with many cans of pesticide or something.

Our council has (probably had now due to cuts) a tame pest controller who would come out and sort wasp nests in domestic dwellings for free. When he came out to ours he used something like a rocket launcher with a canister in the end that embedded itself in the nest and killed the lot. TBH it looked nothing like a rocket launcher but you get the idea. It was a cool bit of kit and did the trick.

[cros]

Ant powder does the bastards.

[andy18s]

Ant Music does the bastards.

EFA,HTH.

[andy18s]

He said "wasps" not spiders.

Wasps and spiders?

Pah!

1 of the dogs dragged this out of a barn when we got here...

[cros]

Give the Lidl italian sausage a miss. I bought some and found what looked like a mouse brain baked through it.

I've been giving all sausages (meat too) a miss ever since 1979 when I dug footings for a meat chopping machine at the back of a butchers shop in Wellingborough. As I worked the proprietor described how his new machine could render unrecognizable any hapless vermin that fell into it. Just to be sure I'd never attribute post-pie indigestion to the possibility that the fat cunt had himself fallen in I knocked meat on the head.