Hoarding for speculation

[Aston Martin]

Time for a ramble.... I was reading an article, I forget where and it was about how the Japanese have been storing good R34 Skylines for years in preparation for when they can hit the USA, which is what they also did for R32 and R33s.

One commenter said "People are doing the same thing with Saxo VTS'ses. But for the UK" I was intrigued as when was the last time you saw one for sale? Let alone bombing about.

 

I checked Howmanyleft for various cars and I found the numbers interesting. I'm not saying they're all concours specials, but are people hoarding "everyday cars"? 

I wondered if all Saxos were the same ratio of road legal/sorn. The Furio which is just a base model-ish car, has double the amount of sorn to road legal, same as the VTR. The VTS is 5 times sorn to road legal.

I was surprised by the amount of Lupo GTIs on the road and there's alot left still accountable for, only 150 have been scrapped. 

 

 

Ramble over.

[MKT]

Wonder how many of the SORN Saxos are in use in motorsport. Single venue rallies and circuit racing won't require a car to be taxed so a fair few are probably SORNd.

[outlaw118]

^^WHS^^

Be interesting to see the SORN / HMl figures for more modern Ford stuff, Focus ST170's Mondeo ST's etc. 

If you're looking for either, they won't get any cheaper than they are now.

[New POD]

Bloke I know is a mk2 cavalier mentalist. 

At one point I counted 8 mk2 cavaliers spread around his gardens and garages.

More importantly he had a massive shed full if new old stock. 

Mostly GM originals too.  

He pretty much bought up anything being sold in bulk at a knock down price.  7 headlights for £30? Who else would buy them all ?  

Then he'd occassionally flog them if he thought you worthy enough.  You'd pay £20 a a single headlight if you were trying to go concourse or you'd had a bash. 

It was proper old fashioned hoarding.  He had no real intention to make money.  He just used any sales money to buy more. 

He also had a good relationship with all the local scrap yards, and would buy up bits of trim and rear seat belts and rare electronics modules.  

[stripped fred]

It would be interesting to see what models of car are the most SORN, in percentage terms. Maybe desirable but expensive to run, or unreliable? I really don't know....

[stripped fred]

25 minutes ago, New POD said:

Bloke I know is a mk2 cavalier mentalist. 

At one point I counted 8 mk2 cavaliers spread around his gardens and garages.

More importantly he had a massive shed full if new old stock. 

Mostly GM originals too.  

He pretty much bought up anything being sold in bulk at a knock down price.  7 headlights for £30? Who else would buy them all ?  

Then he'd occassionally flog them if he thought you worthy enough.  You'd pay £20 a a single headlight if you were trying to go concourse or you'd had a bash. 

It was proper old fashioned hoarding.  He had no real intention to make money.  He just used any sales money to buy more. 

He also had a good relationship with all the local scrap yards, and would buy up bits of trim and rear seat belts and rare electronics modules.  

I think this has happened with MK2 MR2's. There are some companies who hoard them and they can then demand a higher price due to lack of those being broken cheaply in the drive. The ones around now are looked after, or stripped for parts.

[egg]

4 minutes ago, stripped fred said:

Maybe desirable but expensive to run, or unreliable?

Vauxhall Senator (all variations)

Taxed 105
SORN 374
= 78% SORN

This does not surprise me now!

[NorfolkNWeigh]

My tip for something worth putting away is also probably pretty high up in the SORN thing- P38 Range Rover, I'm not very good at deciphering HML? But there are nearly 25,000 Range Rovers on SORN , I bet a lot of em are P38s .

As an example I clicked on 4.0 SE auto- 575 taxed 920 odd SORN.

[Cavcraft]

51 minutes ago, New POD said:

Bloke I know is a mk2 cavalier mentalist. 

At one point I counted 8 mk2 cavaliers spread around his gardens and garages.

More importantly he had a massive shed full if new old stock. 

Mostly GM originals too.  

He pretty much bought up anything being sold in bulk at a knock down price.  7 headlights for £30? Who else would buy them all ?  

Then he'd occassionally flog them if he thought you worthy enough.  You'd pay £20 a a single headlight if you were trying to go concourse or you'd had a bash. 

It was proper old fashioned hoarding.  He had no real intention to make money.  He just used any sales money to buy more. 

He also had a good relationship with all the local scrap yards, and would buy up bits of trim and rear seat belts and rare electronics modules.  

Has to be Rab, from Wrexham. Nice bloke, even if he does have an Iv*co.

[yes oui si]

10 minutes ago, NorfolkNWeigh said:

My tip for something worth putting away is also probably pretty high up in the SORN thing- P38 Range Rover, I'm not very good at deciphering HML? But there are nearly 25,000 Range Rovers on SORN , I bet a lot of em are P38s .

20,000 of those are probably on the road with tax free VINs... 

[overrun]

34 minutes ago, stripped fred said:

I think this has happened with MK2 MR2's. There are some companies who hoard them and they can then demand a higher price due to lack of those being broken cheaply in the drive. The ones around now are looked after, or stripped for parts.

Lack of them being broken cheaply?

There’s countless ones being broken every day, either by a one man band or the likes of MR MR2 etc.
Good and rare parts are another issue altogether, though.

It can’t continue for much longer. I’ll be glad when all the rusty shitters are no more and cars like my turbo appreciate in value like they fully deserve to (everything else has).

[MKT]

Thought over the Saxo example a bit more, am I right in saying that Saxos tend to rot quite badly? Wonder if there's a lot waiting for welding (or perhaps modded cars waiting to be fixed?).

[Andyrew]

There is a  track based saxo only young persons racing event. A lad and his father come in work. He says bits are getting hard to find and the cars are getting expensive to Replace. 

I believe alot were used for the younger banger racers and autograss events aswell as the many that got stolen,modified or crashed on the roads. 

[overrun]

Re the R34 GT-R and Yanks paying over the odds to import once they are 25 etc... I was talking to a mate a year or two back and we are sure you could get them for around £10K here at one point.

Anyone remember?

[Liggle]

Just now, overrun said:

...around £10K here at one point.

Anyone remember?

R32 and R33 yes but never R34! 

[overrun]

Just now, Liggle said:

R32 and R33 yes but never R34! 

Maybe then lol. I remember plenty of R32/3 GTS-T’s for £FUCKALL and the GT-R’s themselves for well under £10K.

I passed up a fresh import, totally standard 32 GT-R for £4500 in about 2002, as I hadn’t a hope in hell of insuring it.

[dome]

Surely the number of these kind of cars sorned is high now because it's winter. I'd imagine if you checked again in a few months a lot more would be taxed and on the road

[Parky]

Ford KA’s Maestros, Montego, and Mk 3 Astra’s 

[sierraman]

I think an awful lot of these that’s on a SORN might have been on the SORN while they were being broken up. 

[New POD]

2 hours ago, Cavcraft said:

Has to be Rab, from Wrexham. Nice bloke, even if he does have an Iv*co.

I remember him ringing me from.a scrap yard telling me he'd found a power steering pump for my CalibrE and then driving all the way to Formby and helping me fit it whilst his wife drank tea in the lounge. 

My wife got a hell of a shock when she came downstairs to find a strange Welsh woman on the sofa. 

[Cavcraft]

He had a two door SRi saloon, iirc? Seem to recall it was RHD, but may have remembered wrong. Great lad, it was fun times on that forum too back in the day.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

I'm starting to hoard CX parts, but that's because I suspect mine will actually need them, as opposed to selling on.....

[timolloyd]

3 hours ago, overrun said:

Re the R34 GT-R and Yanks paying over the odds to import once they are 25 etc... I was talking to a mate a year or two back and we are sure you could get them for around £10K here at one point.

Anyone remember?

Decent R34s were down to £13k around 2004 - mate of mine picked one up fairly easily at that price.

[timolloyd]

Can’t believe there hasn’t been any Inva-wang in this thread yet?

[overrun]

3 minutes ago, timolloyd said:

Decent R34s were down to £13k around 2004 - mate of mine picked one up fairly easily at that price.

Thought so. He still got it?

[overrun]

5 minutes ago, timolloyd said:

Can’t believe there hasn’t been any Inva-wang in this thread yet?

Most of those are only hoarded cos they aren't worth weighing in and take up very little space/are too much hassle to shift! But are no doubt faster, with better handling than a 34 GT-R. If only the Nissan had paralleogram suspension.

[timolloyd]

49 minutes ago, overrun said:

Thought so. He still got it?

No. That was very much a passing phase for him, rather than a commitment to the model/marque.

[overrun]

4 minutes ago, timolloyd said:

No. That was very much a passing phase for him, rather than a commitment to the model/marque.

Fair. He may have been a Gran Turismo fan boi or something.

Nice itch to scratch, though!

[Retronaut]

Picasso mk1. Practical classic of the future. Design is now over 20 years old. 

[stripped fred]

12 hours ago, overrun said:

Lack of them being broken cheaply?

There’s countless ones being broken every day, either by a one man band or the likes of MR MR2 etc.
Good and rare parts are another issue altogether, though.

It can’t continue for much longer. I’ll be glad when all the rusty shitters are no more and cars like my turbo appreciate in value like they fully deserve to (everything else has).

I meant the mk1's. I might be a bit out of touch though.